| Paul Murray - Patreon on 16:54 - Feb 5 with 1215 views | Northernr |
| Paul Murray - Patreon on 16:51 - Feb 5 by BazzaInTheLoft |
We couldn't have been relegated at a worse time could we? Financially, 1997 was when the gap between the Premiership establishment and everyone else started to widen.
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That's why the Thompson strategy became so short sighted. Sell one and buy two, fine. But they started doing things like selling Darren Peacock and replacing with Karl Ready, letting Clive Wilson walk away for the sake of an extra year on his contract. And it was just as the money was obviously going to get big. Even a small investment at that stage... |  | |  |
| Paul Murray - Patreon on 17:05 - Feb 5 with 1195 views | nadera78 |
| Paul Murray - Patreon on 15:43 - Feb 5 by Antti_Heinola |
My memory is that we wanted George Graham and that he said no but told us to get Houston. Curbs in his book I think says QPR offered him the job, and he thought about it, but decided not to take it. Don't think it's right we turned down Curbs for Houston. |
99% sure Nick Blackburn said we didn't want to pay Charlton a fee for Curbishley |  | | |
| Paul Murray - Patreon on 17:11 - Feb 5 with 1182 views | TheChef |
| Paul Murray - Patreon on 16:54 - Feb 5 by Northernr |
That's why the Thompson strategy became so short sighted. Sell one and buy two, fine. But they started doing things like selling Darren Peacock and replacing with Karl Ready, letting Clive Wilson walk away for the sake of an extra year on his contract. And it was just as the money was obviously going to get big. Even a small investment at that stage... |
You think about that 92-93 team and how more investment in quality could have really taken us places - if there was a clear upward trajectory for the club then who knows, we could even have held on to the likes of Ferdinand.
Speculate to accumulate and all that. Oh well, too late now... |  |
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| Paul Murray - Patreon on 17:16 - Feb 5 with 1172 views | daveB |
| Paul Murray - Patreon on 16:54 - Feb 5 by Northernr |
That's why the Thompson strategy became so short sighted. Sell one and buy two, fine. But they started doing things like selling Darren Peacock and replacing with Karl Ready, letting Clive Wilson walk away for the sake of an extra year on his contract. And it was just as the money was obviously going to get big. Even a small investment at that stage... |
In the 92/93 season when we finished 5th we were in the title hunt around Christmas and had Man Utd at home coming up. Wilkins got injured but we didn't even think about replacing him. Clive Wilson went into midfield, I think a player called Michael Doyle even played the odd game in the middle and we badly fell away until Wilkins came back for the last 2 months and we won virtually every game.
Doing this you tube channel and seeing the team from that era it's all coming back as to how a real lack of investment cost us. We went from the brink of Europe in 94/95 with Wilkins, Ferdinand etc to almost relegated to league one by 97/98 with Vinnie Jones in midfield.
And now I've depressed myself I'm gonna need a few beers [Post edited 5 Feb 2021 17:16]
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| Paul Murray - Patreon on 17:37 - Feb 5 with 1156 views | paulparker |
| Paul Murray - Patreon on 17:11 - Feb 5 by TheChef |
You think about that 92-93 team and how more investment in quality could have really taken us places - if there was a clear upward trajectory for the club then who knows, we could even have held on to the likes of Ferdinand.
Speculate to accumulate and all that. Oh well, too late now... |
I’ve been banging on and boring people about this for over 28 years
If we had signed an Ian bishop , Alex Rae or took a punt on collymoore then we could have easily been a top 3/4 side then , we struggled when super Ray got injured, I remember a game with Maurice Doyle replacing him against Wimbledon and we got done 2-1 and started to slide
Back then you had division one / championship clubs spending bigger amounts than us |  |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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| Paul Murray - Patreon on 17:54 - Feb 5 with 1144 views | CamberleyR |
| Paul Murray - Patreon on 17:37 - Feb 5 by paulparker |
I’ve been banging on and boring people about this for over 28 years
If we had signed an Ian bishop , Alex Rae or took a punt on collymoore then we could have easily been a top 3/4 side then , we struggled when super Ray got injured, I remember a game with Maurice Doyle replacing him against Wimbledon and we got done 2-1 and started to slide
Back then you had division one / championship clubs spending bigger amounts than us |
Or signed Kasey Keller from Millwall rather than Jürgen Sommer and then watch him win medals at Leicester after they signed him for £900k... |  |
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| Paul Murray - Patreon on 18:09 - Feb 5 with 1131 views | Northernr |
| Paul Murray - Patreon on 17:37 - Feb 5 by paulparker |
I’ve been banging on and boring people about this for over 28 years
If we had signed an Ian bishop , Alex Rae or took a punt on collymoore then we could have easily been a top 3/4 side then , we struggled when super Ray got injured, I remember a game with Maurice Doyle replacing him against Wimbledon and we got done 2-1 and started to slide
Back then you had division one / championship clubs spending bigger amounts than us |
Yup. Rae was a huge miss. Andy Booth went to Sheff Wed when we bought Hateley. Mendonca went to Charlton when we bought Sheron. Kasey Keller moved when we bought Sommer. Matt Elliott moved from Scunthorpe and Oxford while we were fcking about with Ready, Morrow, Rose. Darren Purse moved from Orient, then played brillaintly against us for Oxford, we ignored him. Some huge misses. | | | |
| Paul Murray - Patreon on 18:48 - Feb 5 with 1096 views | nadera78 |
| Paul Murray - Patreon on 18:09 - Feb 5 by Northernr |
Yup. Rae was a huge miss. Andy Booth went to Sheff Wed when we bought Hateley. Mendonca went to Charlton when we bought Sheron. Kasey Keller moved when we bought Sommer. Matt Elliott moved from Scunthorpe and Oxford while we were fcking about with Ready, Morrow, Rose. Darren Purse moved from Orient, then played brillaintly against us for Oxford, we ignored him. Some huge misses. |
Post-relegation, first game of the season, Oxford United at home, and Matt Elliott was outstanding at CB for them. Really showed up our physical weakness by contrast. | | | |
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| Paul Murray - Patreon on 18:48 - Feb 5 with 1089 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Paul Murray - Patreon on 16:54 - Feb 5 by Northernr |
That's why the Thompson strategy became so short sighted. Sell one and buy two, fine. But they started doing things like selling Darren Peacock and replacing with Karl Ready, letting Clive Wilson walk away for the sake of an extra year on his contract. And it was just as the money was obviously going to get big. Even a small investment at that stage... |
And selling Les and, uh, not replacing him at all (a bit like we're apparently trying to get away with by selling BOS and replacing him with a promising kid called Willock - though there were some lovely signs at Watford we might even get away with it). Plaudits to the club for apparently clocking you don't kick on by releasing two goalscoring strikers and your genius No. 10 for a small fortune and hoping an untried lad from a small Scottish club will cut the mustard, though a bit puzzling as to why a properly managed club would take so long to work it out and then have to resort to bringing back an ageing club legend on a kind of (welcome) loan that screams 'emergency' and 'appease the fanbase' in all but name. |  |
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| Paul Murray - Patreon on 18:53 - Feb 5 with 1089 views | Northernr |
| Paul Murray - Patreon on 18:48 - Feb 5 by stainrods_elbow |
And selling Les and, uh, not replacing him at all (a bit like we're apparently trying to get away with by selling BOS and replacing him with a promising kid called Willock - though there were some lovely signs at Watford we might even get away with it). Plaudits to the club for apparently clocking you don't kick on by releasing two goalscoring strikers and your genius No. 10 for a small fortune and hoping an untried lad from a small Scottish club will cut the mustard, though a bit puzzling as to why a properly managed club would take so long to work it out and then have to resort to bringing back an ageing club legend on a kind of (welcome) loan that screams 'emergency' and 'appease the fanbase' in all but name. |
Here we go.
It's 2021.
The rules have changed, literally. | | | |
| Paul Murray - Patreon on 19:19 - Feb 5 with 1065 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Paul Murray - Patreon on 18:53 - Feb 5 by Northernr |
Here we go.
It's 2021.
The rules have changed, literally. |
The rules haven't changed to the extent of managing a squad/expectations downwards, Clive. If the club want to sell a major asset like Eze, or tell us they can't afford the likes of My Petrol Emotion Hugill etc., fans like me are entitled to know who's coming in/through, or, failing this, ask what the club has to say about accepting probable stagnation/declines in fortunes. Polemics aside, I actually think my 'position' is very moderate on this. And, shoot me down in flames, I do think there's part of the likes of Hoos that would be perfectly happy - and perhaps even happier - to balance his books in League One.
Having said that, following this window, though I think this squad is still weaker up frnt than this time last year, it's actually developing nicely in other respects, so the proof of the pudding etc. and I'll be happy to be given the chance to eat my words. I still think 16th has so much mystic magnetism we'll be there or thereabouts, but 10th wouldn't be a bad season at all, all things considered. [Post edited 5 Feb 2021 19:25]
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| Paul Murray - Patreon on 20:55 - Feb 5 with 1022 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Paul Murray - Patreon on 19:19 - Feb 5 by stainrods_elbow |
The rules haven't changed to the extent of managing a squad/expectations downwards, Clive. If the club want to sell a major asset like Eze, or tell us they can't afford the likes of My Petrol Emotion Hugill etc., fans like me are entitled to know who's coming in/through, or, failing this, ask what the club has to say about accepting probable stagnation/declines in fortunes. Polemics aside, I actually think my 'position' is very moderate on this. And, shoot me down in flames, I do think there's part of the likes of Hoos that would be perfectly happy - and perhaps even happier - to balance his books in League One.
Having said that, following this window, though I think this squad is still weaker up frnt than this time last year, it's actually developing nicely in other respects, so the proof of the pudding etc. and I'll be happy to be given the chance to eat my words. I still think 16th has so much mystic magnetism we'll be there or thereabouts, but 10th wouldn't be a bad season at all, all things considered. [Post edited 5 Feb 2021 19:25]
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I agree, QPR should definitely buy good players and not buy bad players. |  | | |
| Paul Murray - Patreon on 01:20 - Feb 6 with 941 views | stainrods_elbow |
Interesting and at times eye-opening interview. His injury record really was toe-curlingly awful. I also note in particular the not very favourable light it seemed to cast on Gerry Francis, who seemed to jerk him around a bit. Also, his positive emphasis on players with character like Maddix, Yates and the peerless Macca being salt-of the earth Rs, who also stayed at the club for 14 years, 6 years and 16 years respectively. This was also post-Bosman, by the way. In any event it isn't FFP that's magically made player loyalty or keeping the semblance of a squad together some kind of professional impossibility - it's a nasty collusion of the game's (and the world's) capitalist acceleration (so the likes of Bowler thinks he's standing still unless he gets the hell out of QPR at 18 before he's hardly kicked a ball), the pernicious influence of agents, CEOs forgetting why they're in football jobs at all and fans buying uncritically into the idea that the business model has to keep turning over to be 'viable', rather than being fans first and supporting the idea of a team. (And yet some of these same fans wonder why we're not developing a 'footballing philosophy' or 'winning mentality' etc. - you couldn't really make it up.)
That aside, the other thing that most got to me was the allusion to 'phone calls' before the 6-0 vs Palace. I think many of us who were at that game realised something was up, but to have Murray more or less confirm it makes me feel sick to the stomach. A genuine question: If the match-fixing was ever confirmed, would you prefer we'd stayed up anyway by cheating? Personally, I'd want us to have sunk fair and square. I also feel sorry for Bury and Port Vale, the former of which might conceivably still be a going concern had they survived. Perhaps Clive's next interview could be with Francis and Coppell?
Some of which is why I love QPR at more of a distance these days, since I have increasingly low defences when it comes to be taken for a mug by the pro game. (That's probably what comes of being 'old-fashioned' - thank god!) [Post edited 6 Feb 2021 1:22]
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| Paul Murray - Patreon on 10:16 - Feb 6 with 866 views | wombat |
| Paul Murray - Patreon on 15:22 - Feb 4 by Northernr |
I have tried to get Chris Wright without success. Maybe I'll give Blackburn a go. |
if you do get nick blackburn can you tell him i still have no idea who crashed the it IT at chrysalis records for 3 days please , wasnt me and to this day have no idea who did do it . he is on linkndin if you need to find him clive by the way |  |
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| Paul Murray - Patreon on 10:37 - Feb 6 with 857 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
Ironic that when this was published, Chris Wright was the most catastrophic owner of the club. As he says, "I still think I spent more money on QPR than anyone else has done until perhaps until Tony Fernandes came in this year. Let’s not forget though he has a Premier League club and the income that goes with it and the club will possibly have increased their profits as a result despite the outlay on players."
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| Paul Murray - Patreon on 13:19 - Feb 6 with 804 views | TGRRRSSS |
I'm pretty sure Blackburn did an interview on this site/rivals some years ago.
One of the things he said that happened early on was Houston called Rioch "Gaffer" one the first training session.
It was in many ways a disastrous decision to appoint Houston and then he cocked it up further.
Both he and Wright do make it sound like it was nearly always going right but somehow didnt happen, as has been said there were some players around that it could have worked with we went for someone else who we clearly shouldn't
As an aside the shirt Murray wears in the cover picture is one of my favourite QPR shirts ever. Gutted I never got it back in the day. |  | | |
| Paul Murray - Patreon on 19:21 - Feb 9 with 709 views | Nushnool |
Thanks for the interview, really enjoyed listening to it.
He seems to have suffered a larger than average number of injuries, missed opportunities, what-ifs throughout his career, but was very sanguine about them.
That Ericsson shirt in the picture: I still have one of those, signed by Mike Sheron, which I bought from a mate for a tenner. I think even as a naive 11 year old I knew I’d been sold a dud, just like QPR... No matter how many times that shirt’s been through the wash, the autograph remains. |  | | |
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