| Qatar 2022 15:33 - Feb 28 with 9839 views | traininvain |
I’m curious to see how England and other nations can justify participating in this day and age with players taking the knee for Black Lives Matter, rainbow laces campaign etc.
We’re talking about a country where 6,500 migrant workers have died during the construction of new stadia and facilities for the World Cup. A country where it’s still illegal to be gay.
It’ll be interesting to see how this all plays out and i won’t be holding my breath but t’ll feel a bit hypocritical to have players taking the knee every week or wearing rainbow laces while national teams gear up to participate in a tournament held in a country which has issues with such basic human rights.
Anyone think we should or shouldn’t be bothering with this tournament? |  | | |  |
| Qatar 2022 on 13:57 - Mar 4 with 2169 views | daveB |
| Qatar 2022 on 13:41 - Mar 4 by stowmarketrange |
I appreciate that mate,but we don’t see the suits protesting about certain issues,only the players. |
That's probably because the players are the public face you see so has more impact. The players last night didn't do a minutes applause for Glenn Roeder because it's something they felt strongly about, they were told to do it by the 'suits' same as most of these pre match gestures. |  | | |
| Qatar 2022 on 14:01 - Mar 4 with 2158 views | traininvain |
| Qatar 2022 on 13:28 - Mar 4 by daveB |
They'd need to return all the Saudi money that funds our game before any protest would make a difference.
It's several years too late now to protest against this World Cup |
That’s wrong as well. But I don’t agree that it’s too late. Never too late to make a stand for a worthy cause.
It’s unlikely to happen of course but let’s not pretend it’s too late. | | | |
| Qatar 2022 on 14:13 - Mar 4 with 2137 views | daveB |
| Qatar 2022 on 14:01 - Mar 4 by traininvain |
That’s wrong as well. But I don’t agree that it’s too late. Never too late to make a stand for a worthy cause.
It’s unlikely to happen of course but let’s not pretend it’s too late. |
it's too late to have any real impact and it's too big an issue for one football team alone to make the slightest bit of difference, Would need to be football as a whole every country and every team coming together to make any difference but even then I'm not sure it would have much of an impact. At the moment you have every football club in Europe pushing an anti racism message which is having no impact at all with racist abuse of players increasing rather than going away | | | |
| Qatar 2022 on 14:24 - Mar 4 with 2130 views | traininvain |
| Qatar 2022 on 14:13 - Mar 4 by daveB |
it's too late to have any real impact and it's too big an issue for one football team alone to make the slightest bit of difference, Would need to be football as a whole every country and every team coming together to make any difference but even then I'm not sure it would have much of an impact. At the moment you have every football club in Europe pushing an anti racism message which is having no impact at all with racist abuse of players increasing rather than going away |
Disagree. It would have maximum impact if England refuse to participate. Even more so if other countries do the same.
Obviously you’re never going to completely eradicate racism, homophobia etc. But that doesn’t mean we should just sit back and shrug our shoulders.
Would you have supported England participating in a World Cup held in South Africa during apartheid? | | | |
| Qatar 2022 on 15:07 - Mar 4 with 2098 views | NW5Hoop |
| Qatar 2022 on 13:41 - Mar 4 by stowmarketrange |
I appreciate that mate,but we don’t see the suits protesting about certain issues,only the players. |
I don't understand the point you're making. Are you saying that because they take a knee, they should protest about every injustice in the world? Or that they shouldn't bother at all? I don't think it's fair to ask the players —Â people who happen to have a gift for kicking a ball around —Â to take all the responsibility for giving a moral lead in every area. It would be nice if more of them did; I think it would have an impact if a number of leading players from different countries all refused to go to the World Cup, but I don't think it's their responsibility to do so. |  | | |
| Qatar 2022 on 15:10 - Mar 4 with 2085 views | daveB |
| Qatar 2022 on 14:24 - Mar 4 by traininvain |
Disagree. It would have maximum impact if England refuse to participate. Even more so if other countries do the same.
Obviously you’re never going to completely eradicate racism, homophobia etc. But that doesn’t mean we should just sit back and shrug our shoulders.
Would you have supported England participating in a World Cup held in South Africa during apartheid? |
I don't particularly support them playing in Qatar either but just don't see what us pulling out a year before would achieve. | | | |
| Qatar 2022 on 15:27 - Mar 4 with 2070 views | LimehouseR |
I'm not trying to start yet another left/right/liberal debate, far from it but this might cause some unhealthy debate. It's just my own humble opinion...
I think our on going interference in the Middle East makes it hard to shout about human rights issues that our government have infringed upon for decades, including recently.
I'm not saying we shouldn't bother but we need to look to our own misgivings before pointing the finger at others. There is no way our government would back any kind of boycott of the World Cup. Maybe it would have to be something the players would do individually or collectively at the risk of their own careers and goals but sometimes what you believe in is far more important. |  | | |
| Qatar 2022 on 16:06 - Mar 4 with 2049 views | kensalriser |
| Qatar 2022 on 15:27 - Mar 4 by LimehouseR |
I'm not trying to start yet another left/right/liberal debate, far from it but this might cause some unhealthy debate. It's just my own humble opinion...
I think our on going interference in the Middle East makes it hard to shout about human rights issues that our government have infringed upon for decades, including recently.
I'm not saying we shouldn't bother but we need to look to our own misgivings before pointing the finger at others. There is no way our government would back any kind of boycott of the World Cup. Maybe it would have to be something the players would do individually or collectively at the risk of their own careers and goals but sometimes what you believe in is far more important. |
I don't know if the government should intervene, but what I would like to see is international sporting bodies signing up to a human rights charter that lays down terms of entry for countries wishing to host tournaments. Because without that a lot of what we see in relation to supporting human rights is simple window dressing, it's all gesture and no action.
In the meantime money rules and barbaric regimes are enabled to use sport as a propaganda vehicle to buy international respectability. |  |
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| Qatar 2022 on 09:14 - Mar 8 with 1867 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Qatar 2022 on 15:27 - Mar 4 by LimehouseR |
I'm not trying to start yet another left/right/liberal debate, far from it but this might cause some unhealthy debate. It's just my own humble opinion...
I think our on going interference in the Middle East makes it hard to shout about human rights issues that our government have infringed upon for decades, including recently.
I'm not saying we shouldn't bother but we need to look to our own misgivings before pointing the finger at others. There is no way our government would back any kind of boycott of the World Cup. Maybe it would have to be something the players would do individually or collectively at the risk of their own careers and goals but sometimes what you believe in is far more important. |
Worth noting that in Qatar, like most barbaric regimes we rightly condemn or choose to ignore as is convenient, that it was us who installed the regime in the first place. [Post edited 8 Mar 2021 9:15]
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| Qatar 2022 on 11:13 - Mar 8 with 1788 views | stowmarketrange |
| Qatar 2022 on 16:06 - Mar 4 by kensalriser |
I don't know if the government should intervene, but what I would like to see is international sporting bodies signing up to a human rights charter that lays down terms of entry for countries wishing to host tournaments. Because without that a lot of what we see in relation to supporting human rights is simple window dressing, it's all gesture and no action.
In the meantime money rules and barbaric regimes are enabled to use sport as a propaganda vehicle to buy international respectability. |
If the government wants to be part of a joint bid to host the 2030 World Cup they will say or do nothing to ruffle feathers about Qatar. |  | | |
| Qatar 2022 on 13:48 - Mar 8 with 1722 views | Esox_Lucius |
| Qatar 2022 on 15:10 - Mar 4 by daveB |
I don't particularly support them playing in Qatar either but just don't see what us pulling out a year before would achieve. |
A start, it would be a start. |  |
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| Qatar 2022 on 15:20 - Mar 8 with 1673 views | CLAREMAN1995 |
Normally I walk around with my head up my ass I am told but I just read today Ireland are actually playing Qatar in a few weeks in a qualifier with a return leg in Dublin in October .
Because they are the hosts they are automatically qualified right so its basically 2 friendlies
Should ROI make a stand against this farce that is a WC bought and paid for with the blood sweat and death of so many naïve innocent migrant workers or is it the regime that needs to be held accountable not the national team wearing the Qatar crest .
I fully expect the train to just keep chugging along sadly |  | | |
| Qatar 2022 on 15:32 - Mar 8 with 1654 views | joe90 |
| Qatar 2022 on 16:07 - Feb 28 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Our governments have sold them over £300m worth of weapons so they can bomb Libya, Yemen, Iran, and Syria into human jam so I doubt they’d worry about a football tournament.
I got close family working out there on the World Cup and will probably attend so perhaps I shouldn’t be so self righteous, but there you go.
https://aoav.org.uk/2018/uk-ar |
I don't think Qatar have any intention of bombing Iran, as far as I understand they actually have relatively close relationship. Iran provided food supplies whilst Qatar was being frozen out of by UAE and Saudi Arabia. Enough of that...
Disgraceful treatment of the workers, not exactly looking like it's going to be a classic tournament. |  | | |
| Qatar 2022 on 15:32 - Mar 8 with 1654 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Great thread about a complicated issue.
I think the first thing we all need to acknowledge is that the Western World is hardly in a safe place to comment on the mores and beliefs of any nation. The ex-Imperialist Countries were up to their necks in blood, many of them still are, and even Countries like Ireland who think of themselves, sometimes smugly, as Neutral and Pacifist are now part of a European Army. All of us are part of a UN that is at best spineless in the face of tyranny, at worst complicit in it.
I also take the well-made point that having played in Russia, it's hard to turn around and selectively boycott Qatar.
But as to whether a boycott would be effective or not, I would be firmly in the camp that believes it would. We need to look no further than South Africa to know that Boycotts work as part of a greater non-violent package. |  |
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| Qatar 2022 on 16:07 - Mar 8 with 1619 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Qatar 2022 on 15:32 - Mar 8 by joe90 |
I don't think Qatar have any intention of bombing Iran, as far as I understand they actually have relatively close relationship. Iran provided food supplies whilst Qatar was being frozen out of by UAE and Saudi Arabia. Enough of that...
Disgraceful treatment of the workers, not exactly looking like it's going to be a classic tournament. |
Not since the blockade, but pre blockade they were as anti Shia as any of the Gulf countries. That is the fickleness of Gulf politics but previously yes they were bombing Iran backed Houthi rebels in Yemen.
https://www.pri.org/stories/20 | | | |
| Qatar 2022 on 21:30 - Aug 26 with 1142 views | GloryHunter |
World Cup host Qatar has failed to investigate the deaths of thousands of migrant workers in the past decade, according to a new report by Amnesty International.
https://www.theguardian.com/gl |  | | |
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