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I’m curious to see how England and other nations can justify participating in this day and age with players taking the knee for Black Lives Matter, rainbow laces campaign etc.
We’re talking about a country where 6,500 migrant workers have died during the construction of new stadia and facilities for the World Cup. A country where it’s still illegal to be gay.
It’ll be interesting to see how this all plays out and i won’t be holding my breath but t’ll feel a bit hypocritical to have players taking the knee every week or wearing rainbow laces while national teams gear up to participate in a tournament held in a country which has issues with such basic human rights.
Anyone think we should or shouldn’t be bothering with this tournament?
Exactly. Let’s leave politics out of this as we all know the direction this thread will go.
Back to the point. I wonder if Sterling, Kane or someone of a similar calibre will have the bottle to take a stand when it counts.
We’ve heard plenty over the last 12 months about Black Lives Matter and rightly so. But what about the migrants dying from slave labour or the way homosexuals and women are treated in Qatar.
Are we going to ignore all of that because it’s inconvenient or will our footballers (and fans) make a real sacrifice to try and create positive change in the world.
If England pulled out of the World Cup would that really change anything, even if the World Cup got moved to another country thats not really going to make any positive change to the world
Unfortunately in current times, some of the most vile regimes in the world also have the most money, and as a result everyone is desperate for a slice of that money pie and willing to overlook the unpleasant stuff to get a piece.
Sadly most of the posters on this subject are right, nothing will happen. To many pigs with their snouts in the trough both at the FA and FIFA. I once went to Dubai on holiday for a week years ago and swore never to go back after seeing those poor buggers on the building sites and in the buses going back from the sites absolutley flogged to death. And all this in a country that can easily afford to give the workers decent money and conditions. Greed and religion the two worst evils in this world.
Sadly most of the posters on this subject are right, nothing will happen. To many pigs with their snouts in the trough both at the FA and FIFA. I once went to Dubai on holiday for a week years ago and swore never to go back after seeing those poor buggers on the building sites and in the buses going back from the sites absolutley flogged to death. And all this in a country that can easily afford to give the workers decent money and conditions. Greed and religion the two worst evils in this world.
I swore id never go back to Abu Dhabi after paying almost £15 for a pint of Guinness.I hated everything about Dubai.No point in going there unless you like shopping,and I don’t. We had a couple of days in another emirate and loved it.Hotel right on the beach,and hardly a shop in sight. The emirate we loved was Sharjah.Fantastic place.
I swore id never go back to Abu Dhabi after paying almost £15 for a pint of Guinness.I hated everything about Dubai.No point in going there unless you like shopping,and I don’t. We had a couple of days in another emirate and loved it.Hotel right on the beach,and hardly a shop in sight. The emirate we loved was Sharjah.Fantastic place.
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Isn't Sharjah a bit on the fundamental religious side? At least you didn't have to spend fifteen quid on a Guinness.
Isn't Sharjah a bit on the fundamental religious side? At least you didn't have to spend fifteen quid on a Guinness.
I thought it was the most civilised of the 3 we went to.Apart from the £50 to get our camera SIM card back by post.We made the mistake of leaving it behind in the room safe after it fell out of the camera. “Yes,we found it sir,but we only send it back via a private company,and they would like £50 from you Sir.”
If England pulled out of the World Cup would that really change anything, even if the World Cup got moved to another country thats not really going to make any positive change to the world
theres a bit of a difference between "not going to make any positive change to the world" and blatant human rights abuses
theres a bit of a difference between "not going to make any positive change to the world" and blatant human rights abuses
Similar condition for builders in Dubai , passportskept until contract ends zero health and safety families paid a few hundred. Quid if somebody dies on-site , bastcamps for workers , our Uk equipment shipped out there when it’s deemed unsafe to use in the Uk, one company involved in many of the uks biggest projects did that a few years ago after a certain major incident in London , next few ships to Dubai etc were packed full of equipment that should have been. On the scrap heap years before
Tin hat on, and some devil’s advocacy, what’s the difference between work seekers dying on a worksite in Qatar and work seekers dying on a pile of CVs and Universal Credit rejection letters in the UK?
Tin hat on, and some devil’s advocacy, what’s the difference between work seekers dying on a worksite in Qatar and work seekers dying on a pile of CVs and Universal Credit rejection letters in the UK?
theres a bit of a difference between "not going to make any positive change to the world" and blatant human rights abuses
Would England pulling out change human rights abuses? Maybe if every country did it might have an impact but not sure one country going alone would make any difference
Would England pulling out change human rights abuses? Maybe if every country did it might have an impact but not sure one country going alone would make any difference
if it was Paraguay or Ivory coast probably not much but if England pulled out it would impact on the value of the competition and make headlines around the world that would bring focus to the situation because of our stature in the world game
but forget all that isnt it simply a case of doing the right thing and being able to hold our heads up? isnt that enough
if it was Paraguay or Ivory coast probably not much but if England pulled out it would impact on the value of the competition and make headlines around the world that would bring focus to the situation because of our stature in the world game
but forget all that isnt it simply a case of doing the right thing and being able to hold our heads up? isnt that enough
Can’t we appoint McLaren and fail to qualify instead?
Similar condition for builders in Dubai , passportskept until contract ends zero health and safety families paid a few hundred. Quid if somebody dies on-site , bastcamps for workers , our Uk equipment shipped out there when it’s deemed unsafe to use in the Uk, one company involved in many of the uks biggest projects did that a few years ago after a certain major incident in London , next few ships to Dubai etc were packed full of equipment that should have been. On the scrap heap years before
Is there any country in the world that bans shipping equipment considered unsafe in their own nation overseas?
Would England pulling out change human rights abuses? Maybe if every country did it might have an impact but not sure one country going alone would make any difference
we're absolutely complicit to the sports washing that is a favoured PR method of tyrannies right now, and to a degree this complicity is helping these brutal leaders achieve their goals.
Taking the knee in the premiership and then playing football in Qatar..............but I get that it's a big ask to say to someone like Sterling "you need to miss out on what could be the defining moment of your career" - fecking shame on FIFA.
Now Janus Joshua, prominent in BLM protests and then fighting in Saudi when other options were there - nah, that's just pass me the dosh and f'ck my fellow man. The same, of course, applies to his opponents .
if it was Paraguay or Ivory coast probably not much but if England pulled out it would impact on the value of the competition and make headlines around the world that would bring focus to the situation because of our stature in the world game
but forget all that isnt it simply a case of doing the right thing and being able to hold our heads up? isnt that enough
if it was Paraguay or Ivory coast probably not much but if England pulled out it would impact on the value of the competition and make headlines around the world that would bring focus to the situation because of our stature in the world game
but forget all that isnt it simply a case of doing the right thing and being able to hold our heads up? isnt that enough
I think England pulling out would be seen as a hissy fit for us being beaten by Qatar to hosting the tournament. We might see it as the moral high ground, I'm not sure how we could do that with a straight face given how much money the Uk currently accepts from that region
I completely agree with you that Qatar hosting this thing is wrong on every level but even if they moved the world cup to another country I don't think that would change anything
I think England pulling out would be seen as a hissy fit for us being beaten by Qatar to hosting the tournament. We might see it as the moral high ground, I'm not sure how we could do that with a straight face given how much money the Uk currently accepts from that region
I completely agree with you that Qatar hosting this thing is wrong on every level but even if they moved the world cup to another country I don't think that would change anything
England were unsuccessful with their bid to host the 2018 World Cup. Not that it should really matter.
It’s not about the moral high ground. We’re constantly told by footballers and organisations within the game that Black Lives Matter, rainbow laces, kick racism out etc. This is an opportunity to show that it’s genuine and not empty platitudes.
if it was Paraguay or Ivory coast probably not much but if England pulled out it would impact on the value of the competition and make headlines around the world that would bring focus to the situation because of our stature in the world game
but forget all that isnt it simply a case of doing the right thing and being able to hold our heads up? isnt that enough
First, of course it's disgraceful that the World Cup is being held there.
But if England pulled out, the worldwide reaction would not be one of admiration for our principles. England is despised in world football (which is why we never get the World Cup) for historically having treated football as if we owned it. If we boycotted this World Cup, a great many people elsewhere in the world would be asking —Â with a certain degree of justification — why we boycotted this one, but were perfectly happy to play in the World Cup in Russia, a dictatorship and kleptocracy whose leader has an unfortunate habit of fomenting war in its former Soviet neighbours, a tendency to send agents round the world murdering people, a shocking human rights record, and who then just smirks when people point all this out. They would note that the main difference would be skin colour.
Having gone ahead with Russia, it makes any kind of protest about Qatar very hard.
First, of course it's disgraceful that the World Cup is being held there.
But if England pulled out, the worldwide reaction would not be one of admiration for our principles. England is despised in world football (which is why we never get the World Cup) for historically having treated football as if we owned it. If we boycotted this World Cup, a great many people elsewhere in the world would be asking —Â with a certain degree of justification — why we boycotted this one, but were perfectly happy to play in the World Cup in Russia, a dictatorship and kleptocracy whose leader has an unfortunate habit of fomenting war in its former Soviet neighbours, a tendency to send agents round the world murdering people, a shocking human rights record, and who then just smirks when people point all this out. They would note that the main difference would be skin colour.
Having gone ahead with Russia, it makes any kind of protest about Qatar very hard.
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Maybe the players should refuse to go then?They are quite keen to protest about a lot of other things,and seeing as they will have virtually no chance of a medal,so possibly it’s time for them to step up to the plate?
England were unsuccessful with their bid to host the 2018 World Cup. Not that it should really matter.
It’s not about the moral high ground. We’re constantly told by footballers and organisations within the game that Black Lives Matter, rainbow laces, kick racism out etc. This is an opportunity to show that it’s genuine and not empty platitudes.
They'd need to return all the Saudi money that funds our game before any protest would make a difference.
It's several years too late now to protest against this World Cup
Maybe the players should refuse to go then?They are quite keen to protest about a lot of other things,and seeing as they will have virtually no chance of a medal,so possibly it’s time for them to step up to the plate?
All of football is morally compromised. It wasn't the players who drove that.
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