| The voice of Doom or just realistic? 10:38 - Feb 8 with 8170 views | RangersDave |
You know, the more i watch Rangers, our players, and performances over this season, the more i have come to the conclusion......... we aint good enough to go up.
Let me elaborate. At this time, i believe that going up this season will be a hiding session each week unless we invest in a few players and change our style of play.
The 'attractive' pass it around in neat triangles and push wont cut it in the prem, as they will close us down and regain possesion so fast you would think they were devils in disguise. Our style of play is all very 'good' in the Championship, but lordy, in the Prem where 1 player can cost almost 4 times our entire team.
Now here's the rub. Yes going up will help us financially, and dropping back down the same season will give us a parachure payment or 3 helping no end. But whats the point? Do we want to be whipping boys next season, or a bigger threat in the EFL next?
Remember that a step up is a step up in recruitment, wages, ground safety etc, and i'm not sure we are ready for it........yet.
I say yet, as i feel that we have some way to go in consistent performance, and fall flat against teams like Peterborough, when we should be winning these at a canter.
Winning is infectious and improves everything, so to lose a cup match only to find we could have gotten a nice earner the next round is galling in this respect. It would also given us some idea on whether Rangers can perform or roll over. I suspect the latter.
After all, unless we spend (and i dont mean daftly with big bucks here), then its quite doubtful we wont survive the 'heady' heights each week...... been there , done that, same ending!
But quite rightly the purse strings will be kept tight, and there we have the conundrum, faced by all teams that go up. Speculate to accumulate. Trouble is you cannot accumulate a Saudi Princes play money that easily.
I have to say, i have loved this season, but i have hated the 'cup runs' as i see no value in losing or putting out a second string team (or a few second string players) who dont know how the rest of the team operate week in ,week out.
I think we shouldnt get our hopes up too much, and just enjoy each week as it comes, and see where we are at seasons end. If we go up? well, as stated above, we will probably come straight down, however if we stay here as uber competitive in the championship, and build for 2-3 more years then see if we can make that leap under MW.
The problem though, is staying where we are. players will come, players will go (especially if we do well each season) and maybe we will stagnate.
A plodding , pondering post, and i hope you guys can understand my fears, in my ramblings, and i'd love to hear your thoughts...... promotion? staying a large fish in this pond?
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| The voice of Doom or just realistic? on 09:18 - Feb 9 with 1107 views | Ghost_on_the_Westway |
| The voice of Doom or just realistic? on 02:11 - Feb 9 by VancouverHoop |
The whole argument is kinda redundant. We go up if we're good enough to finish in the top two, or win third place through the play-offs. Period. There's no alternative, unless we deliberately lose matches and we'd get in serious trouble if that was discovered.
Theoretically we could refuse promotion. Which would be massively unpopular, but interesting from an objective PoV. Would we be penalised? I've no idea. It's been done in some lower European divisions I believe. Anyway, no one's "objective" when it come's to their team so it ain't gonna happen.
My choice would be the way the senior "amateur" leagues did it back when I was a kid. Teams from leagues below were occasionally "offered" places by the league above. It was pretty rare and always optional. Everyone else stayed where they were, but it was fine as there were always a whole raft of cup competitions which satisfied our thirst for success. But that won't happen either. As it is clubs below the upper levels of the EPL have little power and no choice. We march to their drum, and dance to their piper. |
Thanks, Dave, for starting up such an interesting read. How ridiculous that we should have mixed feelings about our team getting promoted but that’s what football is these days. We all know it’s f*****d but we still love our Rangers.
If it happens, then we would need 4 or 5 signings, minimum, just to be competitive and even then, would that be enough? Look how Norwich ran rings round us at our place last time and Fulham at theirs this season.
The difference to last time is that we can completely trust the club to do the right thing. Have a bit of a crack at it but milk it for as much as we can.
Even if the owners decide to chuck a few bob at it, Les, Lee and the Manager will do the right thing (Mookie).
I just wish Sky had invented a different sport.
Edit: Sorry Vancouver. Not a direct reply to you. I hit the wrong post button, as usual. [Post edited 9 Feb 2022 9:26]
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| The voice of Doom or just realistic? on 09:37 - Feb 9 with 1063 views | BklynRanger |
Some great posts on this vexing conundrum. In many ways I have no clue anymore. I do still subscribe to the idea of staying in this division, enjoying the football and building, and the criticisms of the PL all ring true.
But we're in a position now where it's not at all clear how would I want us to engineer this great escape from promotion. I'm proud of this team and what us to smash up everyone in our path (or at least give them a cuff round the ear). I think it would be genuinely amusing to go up with Fulham, laughing at the amount of money their squad costs versus ours - I've got a Fulham supporting mate lined up for just that kind of prolonged abuse.
So fcuk it, I'm all in for promotion now - at least we'd get a chance to actually see how things might work out differently this time with a different approach. Or not. |  | | |
| The voice of Doom or just realistic? on 10:49 - Feb 9 with 985 views | TheChef |
| The voice of Doom or just realistic? on 09:37 - Feb 9 by BklynRanger |
Some great posts on this vexing conundrum. In many ways I have no clue anymore. I do still subscribe to the idea of staying in this division, enjoying the football and building, and the criticisms of the PL all ring true.
But we're in a position now where it's not at all clear how would I want us to engineer this great escape from promotion. I'm proud of this team and what us to smash up everyone in our path (or at least give them a cuff round the ear). I think it would be genuinely amusing to go up with Fulham, laughing at the amount of money their squad costs versus ours - I've got a Fulham supporting mate lined up for just that kind of prolonged abuse.
So fcuk it, I'm all in for promotion now - at least we'd get a chance to actually see how things might work out differently this time with a different approach. Or not. |
Vexing conundrum indeed.
Of course promotion would be great, but most likely the Premier experience will be the usual mix of drubbings/misery and trying to avoid relegation somehow. Then again, somehow, it might not...
I enjoy the Championship, it's competitive, in every game pretty much all three results are possible. But if we don't go up this season then we most likely lose our best players and we have to start again.
In the end I'm just enjoying the ride, enjoying our football and looking forward to QPR games. Que sera, sera. |  |
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| The voice of Doom or just realistic? on 11:06 - Feb 9 with 973 views | TacticalR |
After Farke was sacked by Norwich in November I did wonder if that was the end for the 'just go up and grab the Premiership money and then come down again' school of thought.
Anyway, let's cross that bridge when we come to it. |  |
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| The voice of Doom or just realistic? on 13:02 - Feb 9 with 899 views | charmr |
This board goes into meltdown with the, not as much as it used to be, poor result in the championship, naturally that won’t happen if we go up. It will all be very considered, rational and it is what it is thinking. |  | | |
| The voice of Doom or just realistic? on 20:46 - Feb 9 with 796 views | TGRRRSSS |
Brilliant posting, but I'd say the club will be grabbing any chance at the "top table".
I guess wat I hate more than anything is the media hyperbole even when in many ways often there is less than ever to the point even for instance McCoist pointed out the who finishes 4 is more intriguing than the top 2 or 3.
I suspect life is a bit meh at times.
Best to try and enjoy the ride, besides it's 1-1 at half time v Middlesbrough and we have a long way to go before worrying about this conundrum I think. |  | | |
| The voice of Doom or just realistic? on 10:30 - Feb 10 with 713 views | LadbrokeR |
The premiership has three challenges within the league survival consolidation and title contenders /European qualification. Admittedly it’s not as simple as that but within broad limits that’s how it works out. This is one of the most interesting leagues there is. I’m not at all keen on the premier league but am really enjoying things at the moment. | | | |
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