| The voice of Doom or just realistic? 10:38 - Feb 8 with 8174 views | RangersDave |
You know, the more i watch Rangers, our players, and performances over this season, the more i have come to the conclusion......... we aint good enough to go up.
Let me elaborate. At this time, i believe that going up this season will be a hiding session each week unless we invest in a few players and change our style of play.
The 'attractive' pass it around in neat triangles and push wont cut it in the prem, as they will close us down and regain possesion so fast you would think they were devils in disguise. Our style of play is all very 'good' in the Championship, but lordy, in the Prem where 1 player can cost almost 4 times our entire team.
Now here's the rub. Yes going up will help us financially, and dropping back down the same season will give us a parachure payment or 3 helping no end. But whats the point? Do we want to be whipping boys next season, or a bigger threat in the EFL next?
Remember that a step up is a step up in recruitment, wages, ground safety etc, and i'm not sure we are ready for it........yet.
I say yet, as i feel that we have some way to go in consistent performance, and fall flat against teams like Peterborough, when we should be winning these at a canter.
Winning is infectious and improves everything, so to lose a cup match only to find we could have gotten a nice earner the next round is galling in this respect. It would also given us some idea on whether Rangers can perform or roll over. I suspect the latter.
After all, unless we spend (and i dont mean daftly with big bucks here), then its quite doubtful we wont survive the 'heady' heights each week...... been there , done that, same ending!
But quite rightly the purse strings will be kept tight, and there we have the conundrum, faced by all teams that go up. Speculate to accumulate. Trouble is you cannot accumulate a Saudi Princes play money that easily.
I have to say, i have loved this season, but i have hated the 'cup runs' as i see no value in losing or putting out a second string team (or a few second string players) who dont know how the rest of the team operate week in ,week out.
I think we shouldnt get our hopes up too much, and just enjoy each week as it comes, and see where we are at seasons end. If we go up? well, as stated above, we will probably come straight down, however if we stay here as uber competitive in the championship, and build for 2-3 more years then see if we can make that leap under MW.
The problem though, is staying where we are. players will come, players will go (especially if we do well each season) and maybe we will stagnate.
A plodding , pondering post, and i hope you guys can understand my fears, in my ramblings, and i'd love to hear your thoughts...... promotion? staying a large fish in this pond?
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| The voice of Doom or just realistic? on 13:05 - Feb 8 with 2229 views | CroydonCaptJack |
| The voice of Doom or just realistic? on 12:37 - Feb 8 by BazzaInTheLoft |
They say a season in the Premiership is worth £200m.
That's the training ground and stadium paid for in two seasons. |
Profit or Revenue Baz? |  |
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| The voice of Doom or just realistic? on 13:09 - Feb 8 with 2215 views | nix |
| The voice of Doom or just realistic? on 11:55 - Feb 8 by Superhoop83 |
1. There is no way this team is good enough to stay up if it gets promoted. However, there will be a chance to recruit, sensibly, if it happens and it might give us a fighting chance.
2. We have to make the most of this opportunity. It may not come around again any time soon, even though we are on a much better footing all round.
3. If we do get promoted, I will dread certain matches but even a year in the Premier League with some drubbings could do so much good for the club financially as long as we don't repeat the massive mistakes of 2011, 2012 and 2014. |
I agree with this. It's likely to take a decade of buying and selling players to get on the same financial footing as one season in the Premiership, and that would be if we were incredibly lucky to unearth an Eze a year.
We couldn't miss out on that opportunity just to avoid a painful season for the fans.
I honestly don't think we'd repeat past mistakes. |  | | |
| The voice of Doom or just realistic? on 13:11 - Feb 8 with 2210 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| The voice of Doom or just realistic? on 13:05 - Feb 8 by CroydonCaptJack |
Profit or Revenue Baz? |
Revenue.
I'm no accountant but that's around £370m to play with over two seasons isn't it?
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| The voice of Doom or just realistic? on 13:22 - Feb 8 with 2168 views | Superhoop83 |
| The voice of Doom or just realistic? on 12:36 - Feb 8 by Northernr |
Enjoyed the post Dave, agreed with some, not all.
It seems to me your problem, like mine, isn’t with Rangers it’s with modern football - though, like you, our attitude to cups annoys me too.
I guess you could just say LEICESTER but I think the days of Leeds getting promoted and then winning the whole thing, Ipswich/Reading going up and finishing fifth, are dead. I actually thought Brentford might go and rattle a few but they’re now descending down the league on a run of sadly typical heavy defeats. I suppose Brighton would be our ideal model?
For clubs like ours now the extent of our potential is basically get a promotion (and with some of the Champ budgets and parachutes that’s hard enough) and then finish 17th or above each season. Even to do that now it’s generally accepted that the most effective way is to bounce back and forth a few times collecting money. Once you’re there and consolidated it seems that the goal is get to 45 points and get to Mykonos, and that’s it. Get out of the cups early in case you get too many fixtures for your £100m squad to cope with.
It’s bleak. Really bleak. Horrible sport dominated by greed and money, played by horrible rich cnts, increasingly for a foreign tv audience, with British fans, and particularly match going fans, less and less of a concern.
So what I’m looking for these days is…
- match day with mates, pubs, trains. I really missed it in lockdown.
- am I enjoying watching QPR? This team, yes.
- can I support how qpr are being run, the business decisions being made, the sort of ppl they’re employing. Now, again, yes.
- are we competitive? Yes.
- am I looking forward to the next game? Yes, can’t wait.
- do we have players who excite me? Yes
The rest of it is what it is, it’s just the direction football has gone, away from clubs like ours, and people like you and me.
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Spot on.
Maybe we should ignore the Premier League and imagine we're playing in the old Division One pre-1992. It was certainly more fun back then with less hype and no Sky Sports News, Twitter or Robbie Savage. |  |
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| The voice of Doom or just realistic? on 13:28 - Feb 8 with 2144 views | dmm |
| The voice of Doom or just realistic? on 12:37 - Feb 8 by BazzaInTheLoft |
They say a season in the Premiership is worth £200m.
That's the training ground and stadium paid for in two seasons. |
Yes, quite possible. Our training ground is said to cost £20m. Brentford's stadium cost £71m. So, for us, £100m from two seasons could do it. And that would leave a few bob for players transfers and wages.
That's my uneducated guess anyway. |  | | |
| The voice of Doom or just realistic? on 13:31 - Feb 8 with 2127 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| The voice of Doom or just realistic? on 13:28 - Feb 8 by dmm |
Yes, quite possible. Our training ground is said to cost £20m. Brentford's stadium cost £71m. So, for us, £100m from two seasons could do it. And that would leave a few bob for players transfers and wages.
That's my uneducated guess anyway. |
You could probably gift free season tickets to the most loyal supporters with the change too. [Post edited 8 Feb 2022 13:31]
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| The voice of Doom or just realistic? on 13:44 - Feb 8 with 2102 views | dublinr |
I spent years hoping I'd get to see us play on match of the day again. Then, when we were in the premier I often didn't bother to watch. Highlights of drubbings? Turns out I wasn't desperate to watch us play with the big boys, but nostalgic about watching a competitive qpr take them on.
We're not going to be competitive in the premier anytime soon. But neither is any side that wins promotion these days. Promotion brings a week of joy and ten months of pretty much constant gloom. But if we don't spaff the money away and manage to save something to invest as we get relegated, then it has to be good for the club. If it happens, we just have to hold our noses and try to enjoy the good moments as we circle the drain.
The romance of modern football. Glad I grew up in the 80s. |  |
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| The voice of Doom or just realistic? on 13:47 - Feb 8 with 2090 views | daveB |
| The voice of Doom or just realistic? on 11:52 - Feb 8 by superhoopdownunder |
My fear is if we get promoted and things don't go well Warburton will be sacked which would be extremely unfair and lessons most certainly won't have been learnt.
I hope we are more sensible - the signs have been good - but this is the Championship not the Premier League where the news cycle is non stop and pressure (at least externally is much greater). |
If we don't get promoted and finish mid table next season he could be sacked as well |  | | |
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| The voice of Doom or just realistic? on 13:48 - Feb 8 with 2090 views | robith |
Was however reminiscing about our last stay and remembering that being in the Premiership absolutely blows
Don't spend enough and the press will lambast you as "unambitious"
Do spend and you're putting a lead weight around your neck that could cripple your club
Pricess go up. The away prices go up. 40 sheets minimum to be put in the third tier of a skyscraper, in near total silence as there's no home atmosphere as you're the shit game tourists could get a ticket to. For this crime of wanting to watch your football team, the police and stewards will treat you like a prisoner on serious offence prison wing.
At homes game, people you've never seen before in your 10 years of holding a season ticket will suddenly appear, get aggy at you for being "too quiet" and ask questions like "Why isn't Sandro playing?"
Having previously just been humoured by them, every know nothing plank at work who has never even been in the same postcode as the team they support will soon have lots of ill thought through opinions on your team they've borrowed from TalkSport. Mistakenly you will believe this to be an invite to talk about football, but their eyes will just glass over at the remote prospect of having to think for themselves.
The one pub, you know the good one you love? The police will force them to get 2 bouncers on £40 an hour and go bankrupt by Christmas. You have to go 2 miles as the crow flies to be allowed to have your pint in a glass.
The football will mostly be terrible, and your best case aspiration is to "upset the apple cart" and finish 9th. |  | | |
| The voice of Doom or just realistic? on 14:51 - Feb 8 with 1980 views | Match82 |
Don't disagree with the OP but I'm choosing not to think about next year.
I can't remember the time I enjoyed a season so much, I'm trying to focus on enjoying every game and hoping we go undefeated till the end of the year
(I'm not necessarily succeeding in this as I'm a pessimist, but I'm trying!) |  | | |
| The voice of Doom or just realistic? on 15:09 - Feb 8 with 1936 views | Boston |
We need to go up, think of the children. | |
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| The voice of Doom or just realistic? on 15:18 - Feb 8 with 1912 views | daveB |
Although I do share some of the concerns about next season really it is a big mad to worry abut it now.
It's not just a QPR thing but it is a bit mad how often we are worried about what might happen rather than what's happening. When Wells and co were here every QPR podcast was about what happens when he goes rather than enjoying the moment. Even back in the 90s I spent far too much time worrying about Sinton and Ferdinand leaving when I should have been enjoying them being here.
Regardless of what division we are in next year it might be good or it might be rubbish, rewind 13 months and I don't think any of us thought this season would be a promotion push more likely that we'd be in league one, things change quickly and we are all old enough to know good times don't last long with QPR so just enjoy them. We might be out of the playoffs in a fortnight or we could have one foot in the premier league, either way it's going to be exciting to find out and if we do go up and it's crap we'll soon be back in the Championship to do it all again. | | | |
| The voice of Doom or just realistic? on 15:24 - Feb 8 with 1891 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
I don't think we'll have a better chance of going up than this season. Second place is up for grabs, even before you consider the lottery of the play-offs. I just don't see the likes of Willock being here next season if we don't go up - he's too good and is effectively the reason we're in the mix.
I want to go up even though I can't stand modern football and the Premier League, just as I don't like putting out half-strength teams in the cup. Get promoted and then worry about next season. | | | |
| The voice of Doom or just realistic? on 15:31 - Feb 8 with 1870 views | hantssi |
| The voice of Doom or just realistic? on 15:18 - Feb 8 by daveB |
Although I do share some of the concerns about next season really it is a big mad to worry abut it now.
It's not just a QPR thing but it is a bit mad how often we are worried about what might happen rather than what's happening. When Wells and co were here every QPR podcast was about what happens when he goes rather than enjoying the moment. Even back in the 90s I spent far too much time worrying about Sinton and Ferdinand leaving when I should have been enjoying them being here.
Regardless of what division we are in next year it might be good or it might be rubbish, rewind 13 months and I don't think any of us thought this season would be a promotion push more likely that we'd be in league one, things change quickly and we are all old enough to know good times don't last long with QPR so just enjoy them. We might be out of the playoffs in a fortnight or we could have one foot in the premier league, either way it's going to be exciting to find out and if we do go up and it's crap we'll soon be back in the Championship to do it all again. |
This, totally this! | | | |
| The voice of Doom or just realistic? on 15:35 - Feb 8 with 1865 views | Phildo |
Had a WhatsApp exchange with a mate who supports the scum (allowed one surely) and he has been watching our results:
Are you hoping to go up? Your boys are playing well
Not really although I know we cant keep this side in aspic but the top half of the championship is my sweetspot tbh
Don't you want to see your side play the big teams
Not really. Palace have done well recruited really well this year and still only have 5 wins all season. Championship pretty much everyone stays competitive. Don't think it much fun for xxxxx (mutual Norwich supporting mate) this year.
Yes but surely the ££££
At a cost of your ground filling up with tourists '
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| The voice of Doom or just realistic? on 15:36 - Feb 8 with 1861 views | WatfordR |
The way I see it, we've got to look at the development of the club as a long term project. Quite how long term depends on when we get promoted.
From the point at which we get up, we could yoyo between the top two divisions for another 5-7 years before we're at the stage where we'd be strong enough as a club to step up and stay up. That's assuming we retain the business model of developing good young players, compete the training facility, and somehow or other get a new stadium built.
If we don't go up during the next 5-7 years, we could by the end of that period have a team good enough to get up and maybe stay up, just, but the development of the infrastructure we'd need to have a chance of becoming an established Prem club - primarily a new stadium with the additional commercial prospects that would give us - would still be miles off.
To be honest, I'd take the option of going up this year and get regular wallopings next year, as a necessary evil for the development of the club.
One other point; if the club actually took the view that we would go up this year to come back down next, cup competitions could possibly be prioritised next season as a way of raising the club's profile. |  | | |
| The voice of Doom or just realistic? on 15:58 - Feb 8 with 1788 views | CLAREMAN1995 |
| The voice of Doom or just realistic? on 12:21 - Feb 8 by charmr |
I certainly don’t wish to bear witness and see Rangers in a position where a potential managerial candidate for our next manager is either Frank fing Lampard or Wayne fing Rooney. |
We grab this chance with both hands and start next season playing at home against Liverpool what could be sweeter .
Totally off subject but watched a new documentary about Rooney and he admitted trying to break somebody's leg on Chelsea and got Terry bad .I know JT is hated on here and rightly so but how is that ok to deliberately try to end a career .
Wonder what the fallout will be if any . |  | | |
| The voice of Doom or just realistic? on 19:36 - Feb 8 with 1596 views | kernowhoop |
| The voice of Doom or just realistic? on 11:06 - Feb 8 by kernowhoop |
Interesting thoughts, Dave. Bearing in mind that the cllub is run so much better these days, I would think that the Board, Lee Hoos, Les Ferdinand and Mark Warburton have given at least some thought to how we would deal with life in the Premier League if it happens. Somewhere at the club there will be a plan, however sketchy, to address this.
My other thought is 'How could we stop ourselves going up, assuming we wanted to?  |
We have heard what the people contributing to this board think about it (50% negative?) but what about my comment that the club is thinking about it, too? Surely, they have some sort of plan in the back pocket? | | | |
| The voice of Doom or just realistic? on 19:47 - Feb 8 with 1576 views | charmr |
Barnsley used all their Premiership money for a training ground and ground improvements. Pretty decent academy according to my Barnsley mate. Thing is it hasn’t got them to be very stable in any league. Thing is as well is they also haven’t got owners putting in 1M a month either.
It got so tough for me to watch us last time in the prem and we had a goal scorer in Austin. It’s the modern football thing lamented on here that I also find nauseating. US fans walking around my neighborhood on weekends in Baltimore wearing a top 6 shirt doesn’t help. I do fly a Rangers flag outside my abode for balance.
It’s a guagmire what ever happens
One huge plus of going up is the money the community department receives. [Post edited 8 Feb 2022 19:50]
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| The voice of Doom or just realistic? on 21:10 - Feb 8 with 1514 views | davman |
I'm with the "it'll be what it'll be" crowd. I hate the Prem and every single thing it stands for. I hate the fact that it is a procession with the top teams gravitating back to the top (for chrissakes Man U are 4th with the season they've had) and the others fighting it out to finish 17th and above. I hate the fact that 8 wins out of 38 could be a "great" season if you stay up. I hate the fact that the Prem is becoming a closed shop - no more than one team not on parachute payments have gone up per season in the last 4. I hate the fact that it will be harder to get tickets because of the tourists. I hate the fact that we are likely to be involved in uncompetitive games and will have a new ass chewed by teams such as PalARSE, Leicester, Wolves, etc.
But, if that is what winning brings us this season so be it.
Still shite though... |  |
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| The voice of Doom or just realistic? on 21:24 - Feb 8 with 1480 views | westberksr |
its a massive 'if' but if we do go up, just take the money and run.
we will probably be very poor, but shouldn't invest too heavily in Arry types but try and pick up a few that are up & coming (Norwich, Hounslow fc, Burnley style).
Get the club on sound financial footing and sort the infrastructure out. If we go into it collectively with that in mind and continue to build the club, we will come out at the end of the season in better shape wherever we end up.
... long way to go yet though! |  | | |
| The voice of Doom or just realistic? on 21:36 - Feb 8 with 1462 views | Sharpy36 |
Take any sport, be it a team or individual sport. If you follow that team/ind and don`t wish to see them feasting at the top table, then i`m afraid you need to find something else to do with your time. The sums of money now on offer for a season or two in the prem would set our little club up for many years to come. Just keep fernandez away from recruitment would be my only wish.
My local team are in a great position to get back into the NL and the fans opposition to promotion include, newbie fans, further away day travels and not being able to have a pint whilst watching from the terrace. Forgetting the owners have both put in 1m each, and would`nt mind building the stadium up a bit more. |  |
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| The voice of Doom or just realistic? on 00:54 - Feb 9 with 1313 views | bob566 |
Said it on other threads. Go up if you can. Spend nothing. Take the money and run. Build your ground and infrastructure. No Julio Cesar contracts needed. It'll be a tough watch getting whipped every week but that's the sustainable model. | | | |
| The voice of Doom or just realistic? on 02:11 - Feb 9 with 1277 views | VancouverHoop |
The whole argument is kinda redundant. We go up if we're good enough to finish in the top two, or win third place through the play-offs. Period. There's no alternative, unless we deliberately lose matches and we'd get in serious trouble if that was discovered.
Theoretically we could refuse promotion. Which would be massively unpopular, but interesting from an objective PoV. Would we be penalised? I've no idea. It's been done in some lower European divisions I believe. Anyway, no one's "objective" when it come's to their team so it ain't gonna happen.
My choice would be the way the senior "amateur" leagues did it back when I was a kid. Teams from leagues below were occasionally "offered" places by the league above. It was pretty rare and always optional. Everyone else stayed where they were, but it was fine as there were always a whole raft of cup competitions which satisfied our thirst for success. But that won't happen either. As it is clubs below the upper levels of the EPL have little power and no choice. We march to their drum, and dance to their piper. | | | |
| The voice of Doom or just realistic? on 09:07 - Feb 9 with 1106 views | w7r |
It’s been fun watching this team, we’re certainly not good enough for the prem but I can’t help but think what a season up there could do for the finances. Spent wisely it could secure the clubs future for some considerable time.
I’d trust them to do the right thing this time round should we happen to end up there.
Either way it’s been a fantastic season. |  | | |
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