| Bottle jobs! 14:24 - Nov 21 with 5919 views | RangersDave |
Typically in my venture to avoid any of the world cup thingy, my milkman (yup i still have one) tells me that England have bottled wearing an armband thingy for fear of what he thinks is the threat of a red card.
Well, boo hoo hoo....... fcuk em, go out and all wear an armband, then the manager, trainers, staff all there, wearing it and being proud too! What are fifa going to do? fine us? feck em! ban us? feck em!
The stand needed all players minimum to wear it, to show a stance, a message. But no, we didnt'.
So yes, they are bottle jobs when they had a chance to give a great message that would travel worldwide, and be enduring, they dumbed down so as not to cause a problem
To all those involved in the team out there, i say you are spineless, overpaid thick fcuks, and you must never protest again about anything, as your 'value' as an ambassador for all that could be right and equal within sport and society is gone. [Post edited 21 Nov 2022 15:15]
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| Bottle jobs! on 10:46 - Nov 22 with 1450 views | daveB |
| Bottle jobs! on 09:48 - Nov 22 by Rangers67 |
Well let me explain, if England left it until 2 or 3 hours before kick off then got on their coach back to the airport and boarded a plane for home that in my view would send a powerful message to all the bung takers , sycophants and people who want to look the other way plus the countless greedy media people taking the tainted petro dollar whilst trying to justify their attendance by mouthing meaningless platitudes. What don,t you get about up to 6000 people mainly from the Asian sub continent dying during the construction phase of this ? Ask yourself this, how many people have died during the construction of HS2 in a similar period Thats leaving aside the bungs that have gone on and the LGBT issues. The gutlessness of the FA in not making a stand on the armbands and in not telling FIFA where to stick their world cup is astounding. True courage was shown by the Iranian team yesterday |
Yeah wonderful powerful message but the tournament goes on without England and no one is bothered really, only people who lose are the England players. Nothing will change in the region
I completly get that what has happened in Qatar and them being awarded this was wrong but it's far too late in the day to be pulling out now. If 6/7 big teams had done so 2 years ago you'd have seen real change but it's too late
Iran not singing the anthem was powerful but why don't you want them to pull out as well? |  | | |
| Bottle jobs! on 10:50 - Nov 22 with 1432 views | essextaxiboy |
| Bottle jobs! on 10:34 - Nov 22 by Northernr |
I get a bit tired of football and its gestures over action as well but the eight teams that decided to wear these armbands said they were going to two months ago I believe, Fifa decided to tell them on the day of the game they'd be booked for doing so. Same as Fifa deflected negative pre-tournament press by saying of course you'll be able to wear what you like to a game, and then people had t-shirts and hats taken off them yesterday under threat of not being allowed into the game. Same as organisers said of course there'll be beer in the stadium, and then withdrew it (unless you pay £20k for a box of course) two days before the first game. |
Why didnt they announce their intentions two months ago ? I dont recall any press coverage although I may have missed it
The clothing and beer issue caught FIFA by surprise , but they cannot change the laws in a host country even if they had been given assurances before hand . They can seek legal redress later but that doesnt change the matchday decisions . I
All of this goes back to the decision to give it to a strict Moslem regime without thought ... back to Blatter and his regime once more . |  | | |
| Bottle jobs! on 10:53 - Nov 22 with 1424 views | ngbqpr |
There would be a lot more kids going even hungrier right now if it wasn't for Marcus Rashford.
A lot of black footballers, and I suspect a lot of black kids too, feeling emboldened to stand up to the racism they face daily because of Raheem Sterling.
A lot of LGBT fans feeling just a little more comfortable going to games because of vocal encouragement from Jordan Henderson.
And their England team mates may not all feel as comfortable being so vocal, but when they take the knee in a World Cup opener, it still sends a powerful message to a wide audience ("why are they doing that dad?" etc).
It shouldn't come down to footballers to shine a light on any of this, or indeed any sportspeople or those in the public eye. But when politicians can't seem to find it within themselves to deal with these issues, and when you look what happened online to the players who missed the pens in the Euros, and when you consider that no gay footballer bar that one very brave teenager from Blackpool, has felt able to come out publicly, I can see why some footballers who feel strongly think, "fck it, I'm gonna say something" - and look at what Rashford alone achieved.
To those who cry "virtue signalling" - I'm interested to know where do you draw the line between what is deemed 'political' and what is basic 'human rights'? |  |
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| Bottle jobs! on 10:53 - Nov 22 with 1423 views | daveB |
| Bottle jobs! on 10:50 - Nov 22 by essextaxiboy |
Why didnt they announce their intentions two months ago ? I dont recall any press coverage although I may have missed it
The clothing and beer issue caught FIFA by surprise , but they cannot change the laws in a host country even if they had been given assurances before hand . They can seek legal redress later but that doesnt change the matchday decisions . I
All of this goes back to the decision to give it to a strict Moslem regime without thought ... back to Blatter and his regime once more . |
They did announce it months ago and they all wore the armbands in the September friendlies | | | |
| Bottle jobs! on 11:00 - Nov 22 with 1410 views | Northernr |
| Bottle jobs! on 10:50 - Nov 22 by essextaxiboy |
Why didnt they announce their intentions two months ago ? I dont recall any press coverage although I may have missed it
The clothing and beer issue caught FIFA by surprise , but they cannot change the laws in a host country even if they had been given assurances before hand . They can seek legal redress later but that doesnt change the matchday decisions . I
All of this goes back to the decision to give it to a strict Moslem regime without thought ... back to Blatter and his regime once more . |
The 'One Love' thing was initiated by the Dutch for the start of the 2020 season and they, along with nine other nations including ourselves, announced in September they would be wearing it for the World Cup and international games in the Nations League.
https://time.com/6235503/one-l
September 21 in the case of England, at a press conference...
https://www.marca.com/en/world
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport
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| Bottle jobs! on 11:00 - Nov 22 with 1407 views | essextaxiboy |
| Bottle jobs! on 10:53 - Nov 22 by ngbqpr |
There would be a lot more kids going even hungrier right now if it wasn't for Marcus Rashford.
A lot of black footballers, and I suspect a lot of black kids too, feeling emboldened to stand up to the racism they face daily because of Raheem Sterling.
A lot of LGBT fans feeling just a little more comfortable going to games because of vocal encouragement from Jordan Henderson.
And their England team mates may not all feel as comfortable being so vocal, but when they take the knee in a World Cup opener, it still sends a powerful message to a wide audience ("why are they doing that dad?" etc).
It shouldn't come down to footballers to shine a light on any of this, or indeed any sportspeople or those in the public eye. But when politicians can't seem to find it within themselves to deal with these issues, and when you look what happened online to the players who missed the pens in the Euros, and when you consider that no gay footballer bar that one very brave teenager from Blackpool, has felt able to come out publicly, I can see why some footballers who feel strongly think, "fck it, I'm gonna say something" - and look at what Rashford alone achieved.
To those who cry "virtue signalling" - I'm interested to know where do you draw the line between what is deemed 'political' and what is basic 'human rights'? |
What I mean by virtue signalling , is being pushed into token gestures by public opinion and the media to protect YOUR reputation or brand .
Gestures that dont really require much effort or sacrifice or even thought . Cynical stuff . | | | |
| Bottle jobs! on 11:14 - Nov 22 with 1356 views | Northernr |
| Bottle jobs! on 11:00 - Nov 22 by essextaxiboy |
What I mean by virtue signalling , is being pushed into token gestures by public opinion and the media to protect YOUR reputation or brand .
Gestures that dont really require much effort or sacrifice or even thought . Cynical stuff . |
Like an Italian millionaire CEO from Switzerland claiming he feels disabled, gay, migrant worker (presumably not the dead ones) in front of the world's press? | | | |
| Bottle jobs! on 11:14 - Nov 22 with 1355 views | essextaxiboy |
| Bottle jobs! on 11:00 - Nov 22 by Northernr |
The 'One Love' thing was initiated by the Dutch for the start of the 2020 season and they, along with nine other nations including ourselves, announced in September they would be wearing it for the World Cup and international games in the Nations League.
https://time.com/6235503/one-l
September 21 in the case of England, at a press conference...
https://www.marca.com/en/world
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport
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Fair Do,s
I think this is another thing to put in the pot with shirts hats and beer . The Qatar government are reneging on commitments as they see fit . Legal action has no fear for them , they can pay any fine. The religion trumps everything .
I dont know for sure but if the government said they would go onto the field and arrest the Captain, FIFA are between a rock and a hard place.
Where is the gain for FIFA in not being seen as inclusive unless under extreme duress ? It doesnt make commercial or reputational sense . | | | |
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| Bottle jobs! on 11:16 - Nov 22 with 1351 views | essextaxiboy |
| Bottle jobs! on 11:14 - Nov 22 by Northernr |
Like an Italian millionaire CEO from Switzerland claiming he feels disabled, gay, migrant worker (presumably not the dead ones) in front of the world's press? |
Exactly that ..and everyone saw it for what it was | | | |
| Bottle jobs! on 11:20 - Nov 22 with 1344 views | Northernr |
| Bottle jobs! on 11:14 - Nov 22 by essextaxiboy |
Fair Do,s
I think this is another thing to put in the pot with shirts hats and beer . The Qatar government are reneging on commitments as they see fit . Legal action has no fear for them , they can pay any fine. The religion trumps everything .
I dont know for sure but if the government said they would go onto the field and arrest the Captain, FIFA are between a rock and a hard place.
Where is the gain for FIFA in not being seen as inclusive unless under extreme duress ? It doesnt make commercial or reputational sense . |
Like you say, it goes back to the decision to hold it there in the first place, which always was, is and ever shall be a corrupt nonsense. | | | |
| Bottle jobs! on 11:40 - Nov 22 with 1328 views | Rangers67 |
| Bottle jobs! on 10:46 - Nov 22 by daveB |
Yeah wonderful powerful message but the tournament goes on without England and no one is bothered really, only people who lose are the England players. Nothing will change in the region
I completly get that what has happened in Qatar and them being awarded this was wrong but it's far too late in the day to be pulling out now. If 6/7 big teams had done so 2 years ago you'd have seen real change but it's too late
Iran not singing the anthem was powerful but why don't you want them to pull out as well? |
I am not Iranian, or an Iranian football fan so do not see it as my place to speak for them. What they did yesterday was far more powerful than anything I could have done but not as powerful as if the F.A had had the courage of their convictions and got all the players , subs and officials from the English F.A to ware the armbands and then dare FIFA and it,s glorious leader Infantino who may or may not be gay today or one of the migrant workers today or disabled today to do their worst. |  | | |
| Bottle jobs! on 11:47 - Nov 22 with 1317 views | daveB |
| Bottle jobs! on 11:40 - Nov 22 by Rangers67 |
I am not Iranian, or an Iranian football fan so do not see it as my place to speak for them. What they did yesterday was far more powerful than anything I could have done but not as powerful as if the F.A had had the courage of their convictions and got all the players , subs and officials from the English F.A to ware the armbands and then dare FIFA and it,s glorious leader Infantino who may or may not be gay today or one of the migrant workers today or disabled today to do their worst. |
Once FIFA made their stance yesterday they had 2 choices, ignore it and wear them anyway, all take a booking as you say or do as they are told but make it clear they are pissed off about it and highlight what a disgrace FIFA are, it was important that all the 8 nations stood together to do the same thing and I actually think this might have a bigger long term impact at FIFA as they have been shown to only care about money and need a complete reform. | | | |
| Bottle jobs! on 11:48 - Nov 22 with 1299 views | SheffieldHoop |
| Bottle jobs! on 10:53 - Nov 22 by ngbqpr |
There would be a lot more kids going even hungrier right now if it wasn't for Marcus Rashford.
A lot of black footballers, and I suspect a lot of black kids too, feeling emboldened to stand up to the racism they face daily because of Raheem Sterling.
A lot of LGBT fans feeling just a little more comfortable going to games because of vocal encouragement from Jordan Henderson.
And their England team mates may not all feel as comfortable being so vocal, but when they take the knee in a World Cup opener, it still sends a powerful message to a wide audience ("why are they doing that dad?" etc).
It shouldn't come down to footballers to shine a light on any of this, or indeed any sportspeople or those in the public eye. But when politicians can't seem to find it within themselves to deal with these issues, and when you look what happened online to the players who missed the pens in the Euros, and when you consider that no gay footballer bar that one very brave teenager from Blackpool, has felt able to come out publicly, I can see why some footballers who feel strongly think, "fck it, I'm gonna say something" - and look at what Rashford alone achieved.
To those who cry "virtue signalling" - I'm interested to know where do you draw the line between what is deemed 'political' and what is basic 'human rights'? |
"black kids feeling emboldened to stand up to the racism they face daily because of Raheem Sterling"
Give. me. strength. |  |
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| Bottle jobs! on 11:51 - Nov 22 with 1306 views | essextaxiboy |
| Bottle jobs! on 11:40 - Nov 22 by Rangers67 |
I am not Iranian, or an Iranian football fan so do not see it as my place to speak for them. What they did yesterday was far more powerful than anything I could have done but not as powerful as if the F.A had had the courage of their convictions and got all the players , subs and officials from the English F.A to ware the armbands and then dare FIFA and it,s glorious leader Infantino who may or may not be gay today or one of the migrant workers today or disabled today to do their worst. |
How could FIFA risk a representative of a member association being arrested and charged ? You are not immune from a crackpot law by being in a football stadium. | | | |
| Bottle jobs! on 11:52 - Nov 22 with 1288 views | SheffieldHoop |
| Bottle jobs! on 11:47 - Nov 22 by daveB |
Once FIFA made their stance yesterday they had 2 choices, ignore it and wear them anyway, all take a booking as you say or do as they are told but make it clear they are pissed off about it and highlight what a disgrace FIFA are, it was important that all the 8 nations stood together to do the same thing and I actually think this might have a bigger long term impact at FIFA as they have been shown to only care about money and need a complete reform. |
Surely there is another choice;
Do an interview saying you're a footballer, you don't exist to be used as leverage on political/humanitarian/whatever issues - And concentrate on playing the fcking game. | |
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| Bottle jobs! on 11:53 - Nov 22 with 1303 views | Rangers67 |
| Bottle jobs! on 11:47 - Nov 22 by daveB |
Once FIFA made their stance yesterday they had 2 choices, ignore it and wear them anyway, all take a booking as you say or do as they are told but make it clear they are pissed off about it and highlight what a disgrace FIFA are, it was important that all the 8 nations stood together to do the same thing and I actually think this might have a bigger long term impact at FIFA as they have been shown to only care about money and need a complete reform. |
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| Bottle jobs! on 11:54 - Nov 22 with 1300 views | daveB |
| Bottle jobs! on 11:52 - Nov 22 by SheffieldHoop |
Surely there is another choice;
Do an interview saying you're a footballer, you don't exist to be used as leverage on political/humanitarian/whatever issues - And concentrate on playing the fcking game. |
If people stayed in their box and only talked about their job this forum wouldn't exist | | | |
| Bottle jobs! on 11:58 - Nov 22 with 1291 views | essextaxiboy |
| Bottle jobs! on 11:47 - Nov 22 by daveB |
Once FIFA made their stance yesterday they had 2 choices, ignore it and wear them anyway, all take a booking as you say or do as they are told but make it clear they are pissed off about it and highlight what a disgrace FIFA are, it was important that all the 8 nations stood together to do the same thing and I actually think this might have a bigger long term impact at FIFA as they have been shown to only care about money and need a complete reform. |
The ban is not a FIFA decision its a Qatari one . All International matches are under FIFA control including the friendlies where the armbands have been worn. | | | |
| Bottle jobs! on 12:07 - Nov 22 with 1258 views | SheffieldHoop |
| Bottle jobs! on 11:54 - Nov 22 by daveB |
If people stayed in their box and only talked about their job this forum wouldn't exist |
Not sure that's a fair comparison. Nobody is being told they have a duty as a QPR fan to come and post on here, to try and influence the outcomes of the club. Footballers are being told that they have a duty as public figures to stick their noses into political issues to try and influence outcomes. I get the impression the players mostly don't want to do it, since hardly any of the players seem to be able to hold any sort of meaningful conversation around any of the issues, but feel compelled, so we end up with empty gestures & virtue signals.
Oh well, I'm sure Raheem Sterling is gravely concerned about LGBT rights in Qatar if that's the narrative we're going with. Post-truth LFW. | |
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| Bottle jobs! on 12:13 - Nov 22 with 1249 views | daveB |
| Bottle jobs! on 11:58 - Nov 22 by essextaxiboy |
The ban is not a FIFA decision its a Qatari one . All International matches are under FIFA control including the friendlies where the armbands have been worn. |
It's FIFA mate, they are the ones who have come out and told these countries they can't do it. May well be from pressure by Qatar but they are the ones who have stepped in | | | |
| Bottle jobs! on 12:18 - Nov 22 with 1227 views | essextaxiboy |
| Bottle jobs! on 12:13 - Nov 22 by daveB |
It's FIFA mate, they are the ones who have come out and told these countries they can't do it. May well be from pressure by Qatar but they are the ones who have stepped in |
Why didnt they ban them from the friendlies ? . The Qatari government cant give anyone a yellow card . All they can do is arrest people and put them in jail.....choices
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| Bottle jobs! on 12:44 - Nov 22 with 1197 views | daveB |
| Bottle jobs! on 12:18 - Nov 22 by essextaxiboy |
Why didnt they ban them from the friendlies ? . The Qatari government cant give anyone a yellow card . All they can do is arrest people and put them in jail.....choices
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weren't they UEFA games? No idea is the honest answer but it's FIFA who are the ones who have come out and made it sporting punishments when they could have just done fines | | | |
| Bottle jobs! on 12:48 - Nov 22 with 1187 views | daveB |
| Bottle jobs! on 12:07 - Nov 22 by SheffieldHoop |
Not sure that's a fair comparison. Nobody is being told they have a duty as a QPR fan to come and post on here, to try and influence the outcomes of the club. Footballers are being told that they have a duty as public figures to stick their noses into political issues to try and influence outcomes. I get the impression the players mostly don't want to do it, since hardly any of the players seem to be able to hold any sort of meaningful conversation around any of the issues, but feel compelled, so we end up with empty gestures & virtue signals.
Oh well, I'm sure Raheem Sterling is gravely concerned about LGBT rights in Qatar if that's the narrative we're going with. Post-truth LFW. |
I don't think footballers should be forced into things and do find it a bit of a joke the way football pundits and players have been demonised recently for going when the same people handing out the stick are happy to accept money from Qatar to basically prop up this country, the banks, stock exchange etc.
Players are just normal people though and will have strong feelings about things the same as we do and some choose to use that voice to highlight issues they care about | | | |
| Bottle jobs! on 16:41 - Nov 22 with 1078 views | Northernr |
Belgium now told they can't wear one of their kits and their change strip, all approved pre-tournament by Fifa, again left to 24 hours before they play.
Now clearly either Fifa or Qatar or both have adopted a media strategy over the past few months of essentially saying "don't worry, it'll be fine, this is all scaremongering, eat what you like, drink what you like, wear what you like etc etc" only to then do what they were going to do anyway and clamp down on all this "please respect our culture" sht once everybody is out there and has no choice but to acquiesce.
If, as Essex suggests, it's Qatar with Fifa over a barrel then Fifa have given themselves a problem by agreeing to the beer thing, and then the armband thing. Because it seems now these demands are going to keep coming. And having appeased them once, to the detriment of a key sponsor and one would assume an enormous cost on that contract, they're now emboldened to make more fcking joke requests like this.
Should have been told to pis off over the beer thing, and the armband thing.
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| Bottle jobs! on 16:48 - Nov 22 with 1056 views | Paddyhoops |
| Bottle jobs! on 11:16 - Nov 22 by essextaxiboy |
Exactly that ..and everyone saw it for what it was |
Infantino did stand up for the freckled in society as he had it so tough as a kid.
Step ladder looks sane in comparison to this pr**k.
And that’s saying something. | | | |
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