| Increase tax, cut spending or borrow 10:02 - Nov 20 with 4106 views | johnlangy |
On Newsnight last night there were Labour, Lib Dem and Tory MP's discussing the possible outcomes of next week's budget. The Tory MP confirmed yet again why I haven't listened seriously to a word they've said since being kicked out of office.
They (the Tories) argue against tax rises. They say that the tax take in this country is far too high. They also argue against borrowing saying the nation can't simply borrow its way forward because that debt has to be repaid at some point. So that leaves cutting government expenditure.
While making one point she criticised the Labour MP for referring back to the mess the Conservatives had left behind in 2024 saying what's important is the situation we are in now forgetting that five minutes before she had criticised Labour for the mess they had left behind in 2010. The stupidity just baffles me.
When the Conservatives were in power after 2010 they introduced austerity by massively cutting government expenditure. This resulted in all the pillars of a civilised country being ruined. The health service, education, policing and justice and a massive 40% decrease in local government funding.
So in 2010, of the three options they took the cut spending option which, by their logic, would mean no rise in taxes or borrowing. WRONG. At the same time as cutting spending they massively tripled the UK national debt from around £900 billion to almost £3 trillion.
I'm sure someone will mention Covid borrowing but that would only account for around a fifth of the extra they loaded onto the national debt during their disastrous fourteen years in office. |  | | |  |
| Increase tax, cut spending or borrow on 16:45 - Nov 25 with 670 views | Demitrius |
| Increase tax, cut spending or borrow on 14:51 - Nov 25 by raynor94 |
You were going well up to the last paragraph yes there are hardworking people with more than 2 children but the majority to benefit from this are the feckless and work shy who have no intention of working and will make them less inclined to look for work benefits pay more than minimum wage |
There are sadly many kids living in poverty in the UK I don't deny that, and it's sometimes but not always down to the lifestyle choices of the parent(s), but there are also those who have learned how to fleece the system for every penny. Like the motobility racket mentioned on here a few weeks back...Those are the ones ruining the social safety net for the ones that genuinely need help.
...and finally, and back on topic, Reeves is once again p/ssing in the wind and getting her own back
"Removing the cap is set to cost £3 billion, which presents a challenge given the government needs to find £20 billion in the Budget to plug the gap in the public finances"
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| Increase tax, cut spending or borrow on 16:58 - Nov 25 with 625 views | onehunglow |
| Increase tax, cut spending or borrow on 16:45 - Nov 25 by Demitrius |
There are sadly many kids living in poverty in the UK I don't deny that, and it's sometimes but not always down to the lifestyle choices of the parent(s), but there are also those who have learned how to fleece the system for every penny. Like the motobility racket mentioned on here a few weeks back...Those are the ones ruining the social safety net for the ones that genuinely need help.
...and finally, and back on topic, Reeves is once again p/ssing in the wind and getting her own back
"Removing the cap is set to cost £3 billion, which presents a challenge given the government needs to find £20 billion in the Budget to plug the gap in the public finances"
God help us.... |
Poverty is relative
Even a cursory look at photos from the early 20th C will see orphans shipped out to workhouses and girls put into service and this at a time of huge wealth , for some
Today, I heard a chap born during the war and how tough life was
Imagine using cardboard to cover holes in shoes
Kids evacuated often had a terrible time
My wife worked with a lady who was evacuated to north wales and first thing they did was cut her plaid off and cut her hair
They were treated like skivvies in many cases
Today’s kids would be traumatised citing human rights and mental health
Sorry , but it’s nothing resembling “ poverty” when a feckless mum has finds for nails done, vapes and tats and soon they’ll be able to have more kids from whoever and claim benefits, not to mention a better phone to text utter shite to whoever she’s seeing
This talk of poverty insults our parents generation who went through hell, literally, who’s fathers died at the hands of the Japs in Singapore , for instance
We have totally lost the sense of reality | |
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| Increase tax, cut spending or borrow on 17:05 - Nov 25 with 620 views | Gwyn737 |
| Increase tax, cut spending or borrow on 14:51 - Nov 25 by raynor94 |
You were going well up to the last paragraph yes there are hardworking people with more than 2 children but the majority to benefit from this are the feckless and work shy who have no intention of working and will make them less inclined to look for work benefits pay more than minimum wage |
Few of things behind my reasoning:
1. A third child would gain about 900 quid a year. Not really a kings ransom and the idea that families are handsomely benefitting from the system I don’t believe to be true.
2. Removing the cap would lift over a half a million out of poverty - disproportionately in the poorest parts of the country.
3. I don’t moment think it’s true that keeping the cap is saving money. Costs to services just increase.
4. It’s not the children’s fault
5. Although there are cases of the system being abused (which of course should be tackled) but there should be a safety net available. For example, 2 working families one with 2 children and one with 4. Both fall on hard times (eg illness, death, job loss). In the current system, the 4 child family would be perversely affected. Doesn’t seem fair. [Post edited 25 Nov 17:06]
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| Increase tax, cut spending or borrow on 17:45 - Nov 25 with 569 views | Demitrius |
| Increase tax, cut spending or borrow on 17:39 - Nov 25 by Gwyn737 |
That’s if you assume that the family is on UC.
I’m talking about working families.
Appreciate your point though 👍 |
Ah right....my bad
I get where you're coming from now. Yes, everyone under a certain threshold can claim CB whether they are working or not which is around £900 year. | |
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| Increase tax, cut spending or borrow on 17:54 - Nov 25 with 563 views | Dr_Winston |
Back in the day single parents could claim Income Support up until their youngest child was 16. This was money paid with no requirement to work. The number of "single" parents who subsequently advised us that they were pregnant when their kids were 15 or so was not insignificant. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Increase tax, cut spending or borrow on 19:08 - Nov 25 with 543 views | raynor94 |
Woman on ITV news just now with 5 kids saying when the price cap is lifted her benefits will rise from £900 to £2000 get ready for a baby boom |  |
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| Increase tax, cut spending or borrow on 19:11 - Nov 25 with 541 views | max936 |
| Increase tax, cut spending or borrow on 19:08 - Nov 25 by raynor94 |
Woman on ITV news just now with 5 kids saying when the price cap is lifted her benefits will rise from £900 to £2000 get ready for a baby boom |
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| Increase tax, cut spending or borrow on 19:14 - Nov 25 with 537 views | max936 |
| Increase tax, cut spending or borrow on 19:08 - Nov 25 by raynor94 |
Woman on ITV news just now with 5 kids saying when the price cap is lifted her benefits will rise from £900 to £2000 get ready for a baby boom |
Those on benefits will be better off than those working, this government is getting worse everyday, absolutely utterly clueless. | |
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| Increase tax, cut spending or borrow on 19:22 - Nov 25 with 532 views | raynor94 |
| Increase tax, cut spending or borrow on 19:14 - Nov 25 by max936 |
Those on benefits will be better off than those working, this government is getting worse everyday, absolutely utterly clueless. |
No problem with parents who are working but there are far to many who have no intention of working whatsoever
Labour have made themselves totally unelectable again | |
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| Increase tax, cut spending or borrow on 19:24 - Nov 25 with 529 views | max936 |
| Increase tax, cut spending or borrow on 19:22 - Nov 25 by raynor94 |
No problem with parents who are working but there are far to many who have no intention of working whatsoever
Labour have made themselves totally unelectable again |
I sussed the idiot Starmer out after 6 weeks of him becoming leader, I'm glad I never voted for him | |
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| Increase tax, cut spending or borrow on 19:33 - Nov 25 with 523 views | Gwyn737 |
Probably worth noting that this is not a new idea.
The cap was only introduced in 2017.
Since then child poverty rates have pretty dramatically increased. | | | |
| Increase tax, cut spending or borrow on 20:15 - Nov 25 with 510 views | max936 |
| Increase tax, cut spending or borrow on 19:33 - Nov 25 by Gwyn737 |
Probably worth noting that this is not a new idea.
The cap was only introduced in 2017.
Since then child poverty rates have pretty dramatically increased. |
Fags have become more expensive over those yrs | |
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| Increase tax, cut spending or borrow on 20:29 - Nov 25 with 489 views | Gwyn737 |
| Increase tax, cut spending or borrow on 20:15 - Nov 25 by max936 |
Fags have become more expensive over those yrs |
So is food and energy. | | | |
| Increase tax, cut spending or borrow on 21:06 - Nov 25 with 469 views | raynor94 |
| Increase tax, cut spending or borrow on 20:29 - Nov 25 by Gwyn737 |
So is food and energy. |
I just think it's pathetic that a single mother with 5 children can receive more money than a hard working couple with 2 children | |
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| Increase tax, cut spending or borrow on 21:16 - Nov 25 with 459 views | max936 |
| Increase tax, cut spending or borrow on 20:29 - Nov 25 by Gwyn737 |
So is food and energy. |
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| Increase tax, cut spending or borrow on 21:16 - Nov 25 with 459 views | Gwyn737 |
| Increase tax, cut spending or borrow on 21:06 - Nov 25 by raynor94 |
I just think it's pathetic that a single mother with 5 children can receive more money than a hard working couple with 2 children |
Yes, the extremes are frustrating.
But removing the cap will do an awful lot more good than bad. | | | |
| Increase tax, cut spending or borrow on 21:19 - Nov 25 with 453 views | max936 |
| Increase tax, cut spending or borrow on 21:16 - Nov 25 by Gwyn737 |
Yes, the extremes are frustrating.
But removing the cap will do an awful lot more good than bad. |
How? it's not gonna encourage people to find work, its gonna do the exact opposite for some at least. [Post edited 25 Nov 23:09]
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| Increase tax, cut spending or borrow on 21:34 - Nov 25 with 444 views | Gwyn737 |
| Increase tax, cut spending or borrow on 21:19 - Nov 25 by max936 |
How? it's not gonna encourage people to find work, its gonna do the exact opposite for some at least. [Post edited 25 Nov 23:09]
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There are costs associated with work - transport, childcare, clothing etc. The change will help.
Also bear in mind about 60% of those families affected already have at least one parent in work.
It is very annoying when people take the mick and that needs dealing with, but it shouldn’t mean everyone is punished.
As for the single parent with 5 children, it’s entirely possible that they’re costing more in extra public services than the cost of the cap lift. | | | |
| Increase tax, cut spending or borrow on 08:57 - Nov 26 with 383 views | raynor94 |
Families with 6 children will be £14000 a year better off it's going to cost each of us £2000 a year to lift this cap madness | |
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| Increase tax, cut spending or borrow on 09:22 - Nov 26 with 378 views | onehunglow |
| Increase tax, cut spending or borrow on 08:57 - Nov 26 by raynor94 |
Families with 6 children will be £14000 a year better off it's going to cost each of us £2000 a year to lift this cap madness |
But they will vote labour again and that is what this budget is all about
Might as well cull old folk
The plan to tax mileage for EVs is just crazy and might not happen as they havent really worked out how it will operate
We want more electric and need folk to be encouraged to buy them .
Reeves is freezing poluting diesel and petrol duty | |
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| Increase tax, cut spending or borrow on 16:52 - Nov 27 with 272 views | felixstowe_jack |
Yes covid borrowing, and vastly reduced income tax and NI as people were furloughed plus the cost of vaccines
The next big crisis was of course the energy crisis, caused by the Russians invading Ukraine. This caused the electricity price to increase from £37 per MW to £200 per MW as well as gas prices soaring. The government spent £64 billion giving every household generous payments to cover some of the increased energy costs. | |
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| Increase tax, cut spending or borrow on 12:22 - Nov 28 with 177 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
The tax free allowance affects me more than anything. I read some that it had not been raised since 2021 and projected not to rise until 2031. This is a stealth tax.
I do not mind tax if everyone is making cuts. Fist to go would be the British Olympic team.£300m+ for Los Angeles flag wavers.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/articles/cy87xr28jj7o
The 4x 100m do not even practice and mess it up around 50% of the time then shrug their shoulders. On yer bike [Post edited 28 Nov 12:28]
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| Increase tax, cut spending or borrow on 17:58 - Nov 28 with 137 views | max936 |
| Increase tax, cut spending or borrow on 12:22 - Nov 28 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The tax free allowance affects me more than anything. I read some that it had not been raised since 2021 and projected not to rise until 2031. This is a stealth tax.
I do not mind tax if everyone is making cuts. Fist to go would be the British Olympic team.£300m+ for Los Angeles flag wavers.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/articles/cy87xr28jj7o
The 4x 100m do not even practice and mess it up around 50% of the time then shrug their shoulders. On yer bike [Post edited 28 Nov 12:28]
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It's not all about you Tax affects everyone so you're not unique. | |
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