| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 13:22 - Dec 15 with 471 views | dm97 |
| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 12:32 - Dec 15 by Northernr |
Yeh Norwich they deserved a kicking, and I do agree our mentality is soft at times, and this three game week thing is becoming a bit pathetic. |
It’s explainable - we’ve been really really crap for a few years and therefore winning 2/3 in a week feels like a job well done and, as such, we enter the Harry Redknapp school of bonus games.
But it’s not acceptable - you’re playing Boro, they’re good but they’re not Pep’s Barcelona.
It could (should) have been a lot worse by HT. We were lucky they declared and should strive to be better than “we’ve already had a good week see you next Saturday” |  | |  |
| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 13:55 - Dec 15 with 406 views | Brighton_R |
Not sure why Poku wasn't given a game or at least brought on second half. He looked very lively when he came on against Birmingham and was instrumental in setting up Morgan's winner. If he's fit enough for the bench, he has to get a run-out given how lethargic the rest of them looked.
Strange. |  | | |
| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 13:58 - Dec 15 with 396 views | Stocktake |
Norf rightly mentions we get opened up down the middle time and time again. Do those with better football knowledge than me understand why we are playing two in midfield and a high press away from home to the form team in the league? | | | |
| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 15:58 - Dec 15 with 306 views | Hunterhoop |
| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 12:32 - Dec 15 by Northernr |
Yeh Norwich they deserved a kicking, and I do agree our mentality is soft at times, and this three game week thing is becoming a bit pathetic. |
The mentality *should* be that we are relishing another game after 2 wins in a few days. We should want 3 game “weeks”, want to play as much as we can when we’re in form. We should be going to Boro thinking “they’ll be worried about playing us after we’ve won 2 of the bounce and 4 of our last 5.” If we were welcoming a side in that form we’d be thinking that, even if we were 2nd.
For all the good things Stephan has done, and for all the chat about a project, we still, fundamentally haven’t changed the culture that we’re the underdog, 16th is good enough, 3 game weeks are hard, we don’t have the budget to compete under FFP, etc. We got close under Warburton - he called out the attitude problem. Critchley also referenced how everyone in the league saw us as a soft touch. We still look for reasons we can’t or shouldn’t compete as opposed to reasons we can. We excuse ourselves.
It’s a different squad, different head coach, different DOF, different back room staff, but we don’t seem to have solved or changed it.
I think a big part of it is us, the fans. We should demand more. We should settle for less. We are all guilty of it, especially the logical ones of us looking at playing budgets, talking about gradual success. But we need to raise standards through raising expectations.
I posted a bit about this on the expectations thread a while back.
What is the target this season? The club’s leadership don’t tell us what “good” looks like. An important red flag in itself to me, because without a target where is the accountability? But what does it look like to us as fans too?
Personally, I think this squad is a top half squad because we finally have two serious centre forwards, depth out wide, and good centre halves, plus Madsen has had some sort of epiphany. I think our target should be top half. This league is not strong. Look at Preston and Millwall with similar budgets. Our expectation should be top half. Top half sides should expect to go to any team in the league and compete.
We probably still lose to Boro. That’s fine. We can all accept losses. Christ, as QPR fans we can accept them better than most. But we shouldn’t still be phoning in performances. We should have the expectation we can always compete.
Boxing Day is another weird QPR “phone it in” thing. We have the worst Boxing Day record in the football league, I believe. Maybe it is “away” record. Either way. We’re away this Boxing Day at a poor Pompey side. We should be expecting to go there and win comfortably. We may not. But we shouldn’t be talking about it inside the club or as fans as a “hard” fixture, even if they make some noise. You don’t want complacency. But you need the players to believe they should be competing and beating sides. [Post edited 15 Dec 16:13]
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| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 16:00 - Dec 15 with 303 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Superb, Hunter. |  |
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| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 16:00 - Dec 15 with 303 views | Northernr |
| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 15:58 - Dec 15 by Hunterhoop |
The mentality *should* be that we are relishing another game after 2 wins in a few days. We should want 3 game “weeks”, want to play as much as we can when we’re in form. We should be going to Boro thinking “they’ll be worried about playing us after we’ve won 2 of the bounce and 4 of our last 5.” If we were welcoming a side in that form we’d be thinking that, even if we were 2nd.
For all the good things Stephan has done, and for all the chat about a project, we still, fundamentally haven’t changed the culture that we’re the underdog, 16th is good enough, 3 game weeks are hard, we don’t have the budget to compete under FFP, etc. We got close under Warburton - he called out the attitude problem. Critchley also referenced how everyone in the league saw us as a soft touch. We still look for reasons we can’t or shouldn’t compete as opposed to reasons we can. We excuse ourselves.
It’s a different squad, different head coach, different DOF, different back room staff, but we don’t seem to have solved or changed it.
I think a big part of it is us, the fans. We should demand more. We should settle for less. We are all guilty of it, especially the logical ones of us looking at playing budgets, talking about gradual success. But we need to raise standards through raising expectations.
I posted a bit about this on the expectations thread a while back.
What is the target this season? The club’s leadership don’t tell us what “good” looks like. An important red flag in itself to me, because without a target where is the accountability? But what does it look like to us as fans too?
Personally, I think this squad is a top half squad because we finally have two serious centre forwards, depth out wide, and good centre halves, plus Madsen has had some sort of epiphany. I think our target should be top half. This league is not strong. Look at Preston and Millwall with similar budgets. Our expectation should be top half. Top half sides should expect to go to any team in the league and compete.
We probably still lose to Boro. That’s fine. We can all accept losses. Christ, as QPR fans we can accept them better than most. But we shouldn’t still be phoning in performances. We should have the expectation we can always compete.
Boxing Day is another weird QPR “phone it in” thing. We have the worst Boxing Day record in the football league, I believe. Maybe it is “away” record. Either way. We’re away this Boxing Day at a poor Pompey side. We should be expecting to go there and win comfortably. We may not. But we shouldn’t be talking about it inside the club or as fans as a “hard” fixture, even if they make some noise. You don’t want complacency. But you need the players to believe they should be competing and beating sides. [Post edited 15 Dec 16:13]
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Don't disagree at all mate. |  | | |
| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 16:10 - Dec 15 with 290 views | daveB |
| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 15:58 - Dec 15 by Hunterhoop |
The mentality *should* be that we are relishing another game after 2 wins in a few days. We should want 3 game “weeks”, want to play as much as we can when we’re in form. We should be going to Boro thinking “they’ll be worried about playing us after we’ve won 2 of the bounce and 4 of our last 5.” If we were welcoming a side in that form we’d be thinking that, even if we were 2nd.
For all the good things Stephan has done, and for all the chat about a project, we still, fundamentally haven’t changed the culture that we’re the underdog, 16th is good enough, 3 game weeks are hard, we don’t have the budget to compete under FFP, etc. We got close under Warburton - he called out the attitude problem. Critchley also referenced how everyone in the league saw us as a soft touch. We still look for reasons we can’t or shouldn’t compete as opposed to reasons we can. We excuse ourselves.
It’s a different squad, different head coach, different DOF, different back room staff, but we don’t seem to have solved or changed it.
I think a big part of it is us, the fans. We should demand more. We should settle for less. We are all guilty of it, especially the logical ones of us looking at playing budgets, talking about gradual success. But we need to raise standards through raising expectations.
I posted a bit about this on the expectations thread a while back.
What is the target this season? The club’s leadership don’t tell us what “good” looks like. An important red flag in itself to me, because without a target where is the accountability? But what does it look like to us as fans too?
Personally, I think this squad is a top half squad because we finally have two serious centre forwards, depth out wide, and good centre halves, plus Madsen has had some sort of epiphany. I think our target should be top half. This league is not strong. Look at Preston and Millwall with similar budgets. Our expectation should be top half. Top half sides should expect to go to any team in the league and compete.
We probably still lose to Boro. That’s fine. We can all accept losses. Christ, as QPR fans we can accept them better than most. But we shouldn’t still be phoning in performances. We should have the expectation we can always compete.
Boxing Day is another weird QPR “phone it in” thing. We have the worst Boxing Day record in the football league, I believe. Maybe it is “away” record. Either way. We’re away this Boxing Day at a poor Pompey side. We should be expecting to go there and win comfortably. We may not. But we shouldn’t be talking about it inside the club or as fans as a “hard” fixture, even if they make some noise. You don’t want complacency. But you need the players to believe they should be competing and beating sides. [Post edited 15 Dec 16:13]
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Agree with that but showing my complete geek side for stats at the moment, on Boxing Day, we haven't won away on Boxing Day since 1967, we've only won once on Boxing Day since that Swansea game in 2010
Weirdly we're quite good on New Years Day though |  | | |
| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 16:17 - Dec 15 with 283 views | Hunterhoop |
Which is pretty inexcusable, isn’t it? Christmas Day and the Christmas period exists for every club and fanbase in the country. Is anyone in the club aware of the stat? Is anyone saying “not on my watch this year”?
Would love to see us go to Fratton Park and absolutely roast them. Show we’re a different beast. Same goes for the next 3rd game of a 3 game “week”. Until we start demonstrating that cultural shift through actions, not words, it’s not real. | | | |
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| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 16:39 - Dec 15 with 246 views | stainrods_elbow |
Interestingly equivocal report in its depiction of both 'sides' of the argument (basically, (i) Boro were great and would have rolled us over no matter what and (ii) the manager/set-up yet again played right into their hands), while also affirming a lack of plan (fuel for the angry brigade, presumably), before finally coming down on the side of (i). A QPR report on LfW is clearly not an academic essay, and I really only read them for writerly/stylistic pleasure as Clive is a man of flair, but I wondered about the thesis.
In the end, I wouldn't be black and white (or even blue and white) about it. Boro were/are a better side AND we made them look like one, topped off by this 3-game week bollox, which just makes me want to give Julie a slap across the chops with a wet baguette. [Post edited 15 Dec 16:40]
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| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 16:43 - Dec 15 with 241 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 15:58 - Dec 15 by Hunterhoop |
The mentality *should* be that we are relishing another game after 2 wins in a few days. We should want 3 game “weeks”, want to play as much as we can when we’re in form. We should be going to Boro thinking “they’ll be worried about playing us after we’ve won 2 of the bounce and 4 of our last 5.” If we were welcoming a side in that form we’d be thinking that, even if we were 2nd.
For all the good things Stephan has done, and for all the chat about a project, we still, fundamentally haven’t changed the culture that we’re the underdog, 16th is good enough, 3 game weeks are hard, we don’t have the budget to compete under FFP, etc. We got close under Warburton - he called out the attitude problem. Critchley also referenced how everyone in the league saw us as a soft touch. We still look for reasons we can’t or shouldn’t compete as opposed to reasons we can. We excuse ourselves.
It’s a different squad, different head coach, different DOF, different back room staff, but we don’t seem to have solved or changed it.
I think a big part of it is us, the fans. We should demand more. We should settle for less. We are all guilty of it, especially the logical ones of us looking at playing budgets, talking about gradual success. But we need to raise standards through raising expectations.
I posted a bit about this on the expectations thread a while back.
What is the target this season? The club’s leadership don’t tell us what “good” looks like. An important red flag in itself to me, because without a target where is the accountability? But what does it look like to us as fans too?
Personally, I think this squad is a top half squad because we finally have two serious centre forwards, depth out wide, and good centre halves, plus Madsen has had some sort of epiphany. I think our target should be top half. This league is not strong. Look at Preston and Millwall with similar budgets. Our expectation should be top half. Top half sides should expect to go to any team in the league and compete.
We probably still lose to Boro. That’s fine. We can all accept losses. Christ, as QPR fans we can accept them better than most. But we shouldn’t still be phoning in performances. We should have the expectation we can always compete.
Boxing Day is another weird QPR “phone it in” thing. We have the worst Boxing Day record in the football league, I believe. Maybe it is “away” record. Either way. We’re away this Boxing Day at a poor Pompey side. We should be expecting to go there and win comfortably. We may not. But we shouldn’t be talking about it inside the club or as fans as a “hard” fixture, even if they make some noise. You don’t want complacency. But you need the players to believe they should be competing and beating sides. [Post edited 15 Dec 16:13]
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Post of the Season! An uber-fan who should be carried on a sedan chair to Julien's and Nourry's doors to deliver his post through a LFW-embossed megaphone. | |
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| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 16:49 - Dec 15 with 247 views | daveB |
| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 16:17 - Dec 15 by Hunterhoop |
Which is pretty inexcusable, isn’t it? Christmas Day and the Christmas period exists for every club and fanbase in the country. Is anyone in the club aware of the stat? Is anyone saying “not on my watch this year”?
Would love to see us go to Fratton Park and absolutely roast them. Show we’re a different beast. Same goes for the next 3rd game of a 3 game “week”. Until we start demonstrating that cultural shift through actions, not words, it’s not real. |
I'm doing something for my site on Boxing Day Games that will go up next week but this will be the bulk of it
Our last goal on Boxing Day was Nahki Wells in 2018 (3-0 win)
Our last goal away from Home was 2015 - Hoilett in a 2-1 defeat at Ipswich
Our Last Win away from home on Boxing Day Plymouth 1-0 in 1967
Thats a run that contains 23 games in which we have scored 15 goals and conceded 39
We've drawn 7 and lost 16
In total we've only won 5 away games on this date ever
Our Last wins on Boxing Day were as follows
2018 - Ipswich 3-0
2010 - Swansea (4-0)
2009 - Bristol City 2-1 (Booed off)
2002 - Wycombe 2-1
1998 - Norwich 2-0
1997 - Norwich 3-2
1986 - Coventry 3-1
In other words, home win on your coupon for Boxing Day [Post edited 15 Dec 16:51]
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| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 18:14 - Dec 15 with 197 views | QPROslo |
| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 15:58 - Dec 15 by Hunterhoop |
The mentality *should* be that we are relishing another game after 2 wins in a few days. We should want 3 game “weeks”, want to play as much as we can when we’re in form. We should be going to Boro thinking “they’ll be worried about playing us after we’ve won 2 of the bounce and 4 of our last 5.” If we were welcoming a side in that form we’d be thinking that, even if we were 2nd.
For all the good things Stephan has done, and for all the chat about a project, we still, fundamentally haven’t changed the culture that we’re the underdog, 16th is good enough, 3 game weeks are hard, we don’t have the budget to compete under FFP, etc. We got close under Warburton - he called out the attitude problem. Critchley also referenced how everyone in the league saw us as a soft touch. We still look for reasons we can’t or shouldn’t compete as opposed to reasons we can. We excuse ourselves.
It’s a different squad, different head coach, different DOF, different back room staff, but we don’t seem to have solved or changed it.
I think a big part of it is us, the fans. We should demand more. We should settle for less. We are all guilty of it, especially the logical ones of us looking at playing budgets, talking about gradual success. But we need to raise standards through raising expectations.
I posted a bit about this on the expectations thread a while back.
What is the target this season? The club’s leadership don’t tell us what “good” looks like. An important red flag in itself to me, because without a target where is the accountability? But what does it look like to us as fans too?
Personally, I think this squad is a top half squad because we finally have two serious centre forwards, depth out wide, and good centre halves, plus Madsen has had some sort of epiphany. I think our target should be top half. This league is not strong. Look at Preston and Millwall with similar budgets. Our expectation should be top half. Top half sides should expect to go to any team in the league and compete.
We probably still lose to Boro. That’s fine. We can all accept losses. Christ, as QPR fans we can accept them better than most. But we shouldn’t still be phoning in performances. We should have the expectation we can always compete.
Boxing Day is another weird QPR “phone it in” thing. We have the worst Boxing Day record in the football league, I believe. Maybe it is “away” record. Either way. We’re away this Boxing Day at a poor Pompey side. We should be expecting to go there and win comfortably. We may not. But we shouldn’t be talking about it inside the club or as fans as a “hard” fixture, even if they make some noise. You don’t want complacency. But you need the players to believe they should be competing and beating sides. [Post edited 15 Dec 16:13]
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Many of us fans, maybe a majority, say they don't want us in the PL., that may well rub off on some players too. Not Ilias Chair based on what he has said, which I liked.
We are already in the top half of the table so why only target a top half finish? We are only 4 points off a play-off position so for me now a play-off position should be our target. If we achieve that then the next target has got to be to win them. Go for it, without breaching the P&S regulations, within what our owners are up for doing, and strengthening only where we tried to in August at CB and GK if RND is with us the full season. | | | |
| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 22:25 - Dec 15 with 73 views | stainrods_elbow |
I'd agree - we seem to have some of the most easily satisfied/non-aspirational fans in the business. Which must really suit the club. | |
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| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 22:27 - Dec 15 with 73 views | ManinBlack |
| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 01:51 - Dec 15 by stainrods_elbow |
Interesting logic - though you could turn it around and say the Norwich outcome was a humiliation. |
I am trying to look on the light side as we always seem to lose to Norwich and in fact I agree with Hunterhoops post. At least Norwich won their next home game too.
It is Sheffield Wednesday that gets me with us and Norwich as the suckers to give the Owls a point at Hillsborough. Stoke, Bristol City, Sheffield United, Preston and Derby all scored three there to win, even Oxford got two to win and of course, Coventry put five past them. We just scraped a 1-1 draw where everyone else have been filling their boots.
Personally, I feel that the money in the game has made us worse over the years in our approach where we now believe we are a small club which seems to have poisoned the club's approach. We were never like that in the last century but now we seem afflicted and psyched out. We are content drawing at a poor Sheffield Wednesday side as a point away to a big club. The last two away games were lost before we had even got to half time.
I have seen over the years where we have struggled against teams at the bottom but beaten those at the top and thought we might surprise Boro with a better effort against a better side than Norwich. Alas we surprised the Boro fans how bad we looked when they thought we were on a good run of form and would give them a more sterner test. That's what I meant about us paying homage to them as though we weren't worthy to be on the same pitch as a big club. We are far too respectful towards some Championship clubs but that's just my feelings about some of our displays. |  | | |
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