| Form Guide: 20:40 - Jan 22 with 1297 views | Myke |
I have tried really hard. I have examined all the ‘mitigating circumstances’. The injury crisis. The busy Christmas schedule. The weather. Our pitch. Four games away out of the last six. I have searched for slivers of a silver lining. Walsh back in goal. Clean sheets ….err…. thats it.
BUT. We are 18th in the form table based on the last 6 games. Games that included Portsmouth, WBA, SW, Norwich, Stoke and Oxford. Norwich are top 5 in the form, but Stoke are bottom 8.
We have taken 6 points out of a possible 18. 33.3 per cent. Against several really poor teams. AND in doing so, we have played REALLY POORLY .
We are laughably 3 points off Preston who occupy the final play-off spot. It is the worst standard Championship in my memory. Yet we are 12th. Having won one of those last 6 games. Against the bottom team - where 3-0 flattered us significantly.
I have tried, I really have. Looking for ‘progress’ and all I can see is one professional player unable to pass to another in the same coloured shirt, five yards away
I have tried, and I should know better after 50 years. But I’m hurting. Because this is bad. This is really bad. And I’m worried because there seems to be an acceptance that it’s okay. It’s not okay. Standards. [Post edited 22 Jan 21:44]
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| Form Guide: on 20:45 - Jan 22 with 1254 views | colinallcars |
I'm inclined to agree with you. |  | | |
| Form Guide: on 21:41 - Jan 22 with 1102 views | Spaghetti_Hoops |
You really should know better after all these years.
As far as three quarters of the Championship is concerned results are more or less random and ‘form’ is meaningless. Lose to a bottom three team one week and beat a playoff team the next. Go on a winning run for a while, followed by a losing run, repeat. It has been the same for ages? Little to choose between the clubs.
Internationally though the Championship is a strong league better than most countries top divisions. | | | |
| Form Guide: on 22:10 - Jan 22 with 1011 views | stevec |
FFP has created a level playing field largely through the removal of quality players. |  | | |
| Form Guide: on 22:52 - Jan 22 with 913 views | JohnBurkeQPR |
Win on Saturday and we could be 2nd in the form guide over the last four, being unbeaten in all and potentially keeping a clean sheet in all of them.
Think you can pick and choose form guides to suit narratives - why does the past six have more of an effect on the past 4/8/12? The past 28 form guide has us 12th, 3 points off play offs.
I understand there has been some poor performances recently, but I see it as an injury hit mid table team, having a typical mid table team blip - which every team will have gone through. Frustrating? Yes. But a real worry? Let's be concerned if we are still playing like this in 10 games with all the team back [Post edited 22 Jan 22:55]
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| Form Guide: on 23:28 - Jan 22 with 836 views | Myke |
| Form Guide: on 22:52 - Jan 22 by JohnBurkeQPR |
Win on Saturday and we could be 2nd in the form guide over the last four, being unbeaten in all and potentially keeping a clean sheet in all of them.
Think you can pick and choose form guides to suit narratives - why does the past six have more of an effect on the past 4/8/12? The past 28 form guide has us 12th, 3 points off play offs.
I understand there has been some poor performances recently, but I see it as an injury hit mid table team, having a typical mid table team blip - which every team will have gone through. Frustrating? Yes. But a real worry? Let's be concerned if we are still playing like this in 10 games with all the team back [Post edited 22 Jan 22:55]
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What you’re saying makes sense John and hopefully your right. I chose the last six as it reflects where we are since we played Leicester, which is obviously the high point of our season. It’s not just the results, it’s the performances . How dare professional footballers, on money most of us cannot come close to matching , turn out that dross game after game. Anyway, beat Wrexham and Coventry and I’m sure all will be well with my world again. But at the moment, man we are bad. | | | |
| Form Guide: on 00:13 - Jan 23 with 762 views | Spaghetti_Hoops |
| Form Guide: on 23:28 - Jan 22 by Myke |
What you’re saying makes sense John and hopefully your right. I chose the last six as it reflects where we are since we played Leicester, which is obviously the high point of our season. It’s not just the results, it’s the performances . How dare professional footballers, on money most of us cannot come close to matching , turn out that dross game after game. Anyway, beat Wrexham and Coventry and I’m sure all will be well with my world again. But at the moment, man we are bad. |
What makes you think the performances vary that much?
These days I see around half the matches either in person or on live TV. No streams.
I read stuff here telling me the team played well or dreadfully and in my eyes they played just like QPR usually do. This or that player may make a bad mistake or show an occasional bit of special quality. Unlikely to be repeated any time soon. Fickle luck. How the ball falls in the area etc.
The differences are the opposition and the results, not the performances. Some lowly opposition are quite difficult for us. Some top teams find us difficult all depending how the players and tactics match up.
It’s the Championship. Forget about ‘form’. | | | |
| Form Guide: on 06:14 - Jan 23 with 603 views | Gus_iom |
Aside from the injuries, I think that in general we struggle against the more physical sides. | |
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| Form Guide: on 08:03 - Jan 23 with 491 views | JamesB1979 |
The injuries didn’t really “kick” in until during game 4 of the last 6 league games. | | | |
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| Form Guide: on 08:36 - Jan 23 with 442 views | HAYESBOY |
Time for the old calculator to co me out soon.
https://www.worldfootball.net/
I have us 11th on 66 (and we get to a plus 1 goal difference). Coventry to pip Middleborough on goal difference. I have Hull 3rd, Ipswich 4th, Stoke 5th and Bristol C 6th.
Relegation Oxford, Blackburn and Sheff Wed. |  |
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| Form Guide: on 10:28 - Jan 23 with 363 views | Myke |
| Form Guide: on 00:13 - Jan 23 by Spaghetti_Hoops |
What makes you think the performances vary that much?
These days I see around half the matches either in person or on live TV. No streams.
I read stuff here telling me the team played well or dreadfully and in my eyes they played just like QPR usually do. This or that player may make a bad mistake or show an occasional bit of special quality. Unlikely to be repeated any time soon. Fickle luck. How the ball falls in the area etc.
The differences are the opposition and the results, not the performances. Some lowly opposition are quite difficult for us. Some top teams find us difficult all depending how the players and tactics match up.
It’s the Championship. Forget about ‘form’. |
Can’t say I agree with you on this one, Spaghetti. Our performances fluctuate wildly (except recently when they have been consistently crap ) Leaving aside, the first half v Leicester and go back to the game before v Birmingham. We have not gone close to producing the intensity that we produced in that game since then. If we had, we would have blown, Oxford, Portsmouth and WBA away, whatever about Stoke and Norwich who have better quality players, and we would have reached double figures v SW. Only Walsh (since he came in) and Dunne can hold their heads up and say they performed to the best of their ability over the last half dozen games | | | |
| Form Guide: on 10:53 - Jan 23 with 326 views | TheChef |
| Form Guide: on 21:41 - Jan 22 by Spaghetti_Hoops |
You really should know better after all these years.
As far as three quarters of the Championship is concerned results are more or less random and ‘form’ is meaningless. Lose to a bottom three team one week and beat a playoff team the next. Go on a winning run for a while, followed by a losing run, repeat. It has been the same for ages? Little to choose between the clubs.
Internationally though the Championship is a strong league better than most countries top divisions. |
Well quite.
The only form we have is we win a few, we lose a few. And repeat ad nauseam.
16th. |  |
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| Form Guide: on 12:20 - Jan 23 with 244 views | TomS |
| Form Guide: on 22:10 - Jan 22 by stevec |
FFP has created a level playing field largely through the removal of quality players. |
Brilliant and perfectly true. |  | | |
| Form Guide: on 12:45 - Jan 23 with 179 views | OldPedro |
| Form Guide: on 08:36 - Jan 23 by HAYESBOY |
Time for the old calculator to co me out soon.
https://www.worldfootball.net/
I have us 11th on 66 (and we get to a plus 1 goal difference). Coventry to pip Middleborough on goal difference. I have Hull 3rd, Ipswich 4th, Stoke 5th and Bristol C 6th.
Relegation Oxford, Blackburn and Sheff Wed. |
I've got us 15th on 60 pts. Coventry and Middlesboro top 2 with Ipswich, Hull, Wrexham and Stoke filling the playoff places.
Same bottom 3, Blackburn, Oxford and Sheff Weds |  |
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| Form Guide: on 13:52 - Jan 23 with 81 views | Myke |
| Form Guide: on 10:53 - Jan 23 by TheChef |
Well quite.
The only form we have is we win a few, we lose a few. And repeat ad nauseam.
16th. |
But when did ‘we win a few, we lose a few’ become acceptable to the fanbase and most especially to management? How can JS look us in the eye and say a clean sheet and a point away at the second worst team in the division is a ‘good result’.
I’m not looking for histrionics here. Just a calm assessment of when,why and how have we let our expectations drop to the point that we are satisfied with the result and performance at a team 5 points from safety. And I don’t even mean for my focus to be on Oxford. WBA lost 5-0 nil at home the other night, but beat us a couple of weeks ago. For me, ‘it’s the Championship innit’? doesn’t cut any ice. For an occasional upset sure. ‘Anyone can beat anyone’ is valid in terms of a once off unexpected result. But not an excuse to under-perform game on game.
I said after the Leicester game, that we could never under-perform again. Lose games? Of course, but never turn out inept dross again. Au contraire ,said the players, we can actually do that in every game if we want. And they have. | | | |
| Form Guide: on 13:54 - Jan 23 with 76 views | Spaghetti_Hoops |
| Form Guide: on 10:28 - Jan 23 by Myke |
Can’t say I agree with you on this one, Spaghetti. Our performances fluctuate wildly (except recently when they have been consistently crap ) Leaving aside, the first half v Leicester and go back to the game before v Birmingham. We have not gone close to producing the intensity that we produced in that game since then. If we had, we would have blown, Oxford, Portsmouth and WBA away, whatever about Stoke and Norwich who have better quality players, and we would have reached double figures v SW. Only Walsh (since he came in) and Dunne can hold their heads up and say they performed to the best of their ability over the last half dozen games |
Fair enough Myke. We’ll have to agree to differ.
What I see is many people work back from results which makes up their mind as to how well we played. Whereas you can play OK and lose and play poorly and win. So often it’s just the run of the ball and a single incident or two that decides a match.
The other thing people, including you, do is assume that league position is a good guide as to whether we should beat an opponent. You’ve just done that. Watching the Championship all these years I cannot see why anyone would confidently make that assumption. It’s all much more random than that. | | | |
| Form Guide: on 13:59 - Jan 23 with 60 views | TheChef |
| Form Guide: on 13:52 - Jan 23 by Myke |
But when did ‘we win a few, we lose a few’ become acceptable to the fanbase and most especially to management? How can JS look us in the eye and say a clean sheet and a point away at the second worst team in the division is a ‘good result’.
I’m not looking for histrionics here. Just a calm assessment of when,why and how have we let our expectations drop to the point that we are satisfied with the result and performance at a team 5 points from safety. And I don’t even mean for my focus to be on Oxford. WBA lost 5-0 nil at home the other night, but beat us a couple of weeks ago. For me, ‘it’s the Championship innit’? doesn’t cut any ice. For an occasional upset sure. ‘Anyone can beat anyone’ is valid in terms of a once off unexpected result. But not an excuse to under-perform game on game.
I said after the Leicester game, that we could never under-perform again. Lose games? Of course, but never turn out inept dross again. Au contraire ,said the players, we can actually do that in every game if we want. And they have. |
It's a long season.
Can only hope once the injured players are back in the side that we can get on a decent run of wins. | |
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| Form Guide: on 14:09 - Jan 23 with 44 views | Spaghetti_Hoops |
| Form Guide: on 13:52 - Jan 23 by Myke |
But when did ‘we win a few, we lose a few’ become acceptable to the fanbase and most especially to management? How can JS look us in the eye and say a clean sheet and a point away at the second worst team in the division is a ‘good result’.
I’m not looking for histrionics here. Just a calm assessment of when,why and how have we let our expectations drop to the point that we are satisfied with the result and performance at a team 5 points from safety. And I don’t even mean for my focus to be on Oxford. WBA lost 5-0 nil at home the other night, but beat us a couple of weeks ago. For me, ‘it’s the Championship innit’? doesn’t cut any ice. For an occasional upset sure. ‘Anyone can beat anyone’ is valid in terms of a once off unexpected result. But not an excuse to under-perform game on game.
I said after the Leicester game, that we could never under-perform again. Lose games? Of course, but never turn out inept dross again. Au contraire ,said the players, we can actually do that in every game if we want. And they have. |
Unjustified expectations are a killer in sport.
I just go to a match hoping we’ll win and to be entertained. No expectations of winning however lowly the opposition. We’re a mid table team improving gradually with a stronger squad with more Championship level players. Unless luck goes our way and the players confidence grows I don’t see things changing much. | | | |
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