| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary 10:32 - Jan 27 with 8627 views | thehat |
I believe it’s two years this month since Christian Nourry took over the helm at QPR. I thought it would make an interesting midweek thread on what the thoughts were of progress so far. Personally I am in the cup is half full camp and believe we have turned the ship and are now heading in the right direction below are some main pointers from me:
Positives
Squad - Recruitment has improved and we now have the best squad we have had for years and it seems a good blend of youth and experience and looks a much happier dressing room. For the first time in years we have players who are now worth looking at for teams higher up the food chain. We are not (yet) in a relegation battle and still with an outside chance of the play offs.
Manager - Maybe divides opinion but I’m still happy with the progress we are making under Julien Stephan who was a thoughtful choice and the same profile to continue the work done by Marti.
Academy - Plans to upgrade to Cat 1. Seems to be a positive move although only time will tell on this one.
School End - Removal of away fans from lower tier and having our own fans there seems to have certainly helped improve our home form.
Negatives
Better communication with fans. Good to see we are now communicating better with injuries but maybe more sessions with fan groups.
Performance team - This does need to improve the overall condition of our players compared to other clubs does by the naked eye seems very poor not just the injuries but the overall fitness of the team.
Pitch - God knows what happened there, it would be good if the club could let us know what the problem was and what is being done to fix it.
Finally a big shout out to our owners who continue to write the cheques to keep the lights on. Not only that but then converting the debt to shares so it is not shown on the balance sheet as club debt.
So for me this is still very much work in progress but we are in a much better position now than we were two years ago.
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| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 15:07 - Jan 29 with 1086 views | dmm |
| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 14:50 - Jan 29 by TheChef |
RND all depends on this wages, but given he's only 26 his fitness record does not look that brilliant (and we've already got enough crocks). |
Indeed. Having had several serious hamstring and groin injuries it would be reasonable to assume he will suffer similar issues in the future. He's no more than a steady eddie and I think we should wave him goodbye and good luck at the end of the season. |  | | |
| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 15:09 - Jan 29 with 1071 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 15:07 - Jan 29 by dmm |
Indeed. Having had several serious hamstring and groin injuries it would be reasonable to assume he will suffer similar issues in the future. He's no more than a steady eddie and I think we should wave him goodbye and good luck at the end of the season. |
Think he's been excellent this season and ironically has been injury-free despite being in a particularly mundane episode of Casualty where loads of people get hamstring injuries.
I do tend to agree though. Bit of a red flag that he can't do three-game weeks, though he's obviously in good company. Boom boom. [Post edited 29 Jan 15:10]
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| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 15:14 - Jan 29 with 1047 views | OakR |
| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 15:07 - Jan 29 by dmm |
Indeed. Having had several serious hamstring and groin injuries it would be reasonable to assume he will suffer similar issues in the future. He's no more than a steady eddie and I think we should wave him goodbye and good luck at the end of the season. |
Hard to argue against that, but wasn't Field injury prone or had been out injured for a long-time when we signed him from West Brom and has been pretty good fitness wise almost since he first played for us.
I think he's been better than just steady, I think he's been good, and if he gets through the season reasonably injury free, I'd be up for signing him if wages allow. I wouldn't push the boat out, but I'd be happy if we kept him, especially as we lower the age of the squad, we will need some more experienced players. | |
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| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 15:15 - Jan 29 with 1044 views | JamesB1979 |
As said above, issue with RND is not doing 3 game weeks. That means we are constantly changing the back 4. He’s been good this season and upgrade on Paal but there must be players out there around the 1m mark who can do as good a job but play every match. The goalie and central midfielder will be more pricey but if we get say 5m for Varane, should be able to spend some of that on decent ball playing physical midfielder. | | | |
| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 15:20 - Jan 29 with 1011 views | TK1 |
| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 15:00 - Jan 29 by nadera78 |
The reason Brentford were able to do that for a sustained period of time was that they were coming at it from a very low position. No Brentford fan had seen a decent team at Griffin Park since the 1950s and, following Ron Noades' time in charge, the 5,000 or so fans they had were mostly happy just to have a team to watch. That gave them an awful lot of leeway to sell and re-invest.
QPR on the other hand, pretty much going back to Chris Wright's disastrous ownership, have continually been caught between making long term decisions and wanting to win immediately. |
Yes, true - but only to a degree that they saw themselves as plucky underdogs whereas QPR have a somewhat over inflated opinion of ourselves that is pretty much solely rooted in one four year period 50 years ago and another longer decade that came to an end three decades ago.
But Brentford were already upwardly mobile when Benham took over. He started his trading model in 2013-14, the season they were promoted to the Championship. under his guidance. Immediate success.
In his second season, they came 5th in the Championship.
In the meantime, in his first window he signed Tarkowski for a nominal fee, in his second he signed Andre Gray for £500k who then scored 16 goals that season and then would go the season after for £9m, Jota for £1m who would go for £6m 18 months later and Scott Hogan for £650k who would go two years later for £10m...
So, yeah, maybe they had lower expectations. But when you deliver Brentford's first promotion to the second tier in decades in season one, then their highest league placing and the play-offs in season two, and buy players who immediately make the club tens of millions of profit you quickly earn that patience!
They were both making longterm decisions *and* winning immediately. They knew/know how to do both. We don't. We just say we do every year. | | | |
| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 15:28 - Jan 29 with 954 views | TacticalR |
@GaryBannister86 'Although I am well aware as an alleged grown-up that the model of flogging players as soon as they come into some sort of form is a wise one, it isn't half a depressing thought that as soon as say Burrell becomes a top Championship striker we would be gleefully cashing in.'
Isn't it actually worse than that because so many of our players are injured that we can't cash in, even if we wanted to. Our best bet is Eze moving to Real Madrid and then on to the Saudi League. [Post edited 29 Jan 15:28]
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| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 15:32 - Jan 29 with 946 views | Northernr |
| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 15:28 - Jan 29 by TacticalR |
@GaryBannister86 'Although I am well aware as an alleged grown-up that the model of flogging players as soon as they come into some sort of form is a wise one, it isn't half a depressing thought that as soon as say Burrell becomes a top Championship striker we would be gleefully cashing in.'
Isn't it actually worse than that because so many of our players are injured that we can't cash in, even if we wanted to. Our best bet is Eze moving to Real Madrid and then on to the Saudi League. [Post edited 29 Jan 15:28]
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You only get the sell on once mate. That's why it's a big deal how much of it we've spent, who we've spent it on, and what they go on to achieve, otherwise that's it for a long time. |  | | |
| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 15:37 - Jan 29 with 917 views | Northernr |
| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 14:27 - Jan 29 by Hunterhoop |
What is wrong with signing RND permanently (if the fee is reasonable). As we’ve seen for the last decade, I really don’t think we’ll find better than him at an affordable price. We hadn’t in the decade before. He’s not perfect and we shouldn’t break the bank to sign him. But I wouldn’t be upset if we did for a reasonable fee.
Got to sell someone if we’re going to keep signing players… |
At 26 he's already incapable of doing three game weeks. We're already having to manage him through and do without him when we really need him - Norwich A prime example.
That's the end of it for me. We've got quite enough of those.
I don't actually think he's that good when he does play either. An improvement on Paal last season, quite a nice read of the game and where to be, lots of interceptions, goes up and down the line alright. But Simmo pointed something out a few weeks ago that I just can't unsee - the amount of times his first touch on his left foot puts the ball on his right foot, which he doesn't have.
He is what he is - we fcked the position up in the summer, we needed some emergency Champ experience on loan at short notice, he's come in and done fine. Thank you very much, shake hands, move on. Be like spending £1m on Andy Linighan in summer 99. | | | |
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| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 15:41 - Jan 29 with 891 views | TacticalR |
| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 15:32 - Jan 29 by Northernr |
You only get the sell on once mate. That's why it's a big deal how much of it we've spent, who we've spent it on, and what they go on to achieve, otherwise that's it for a long time. |
The bit about Real Madrid was said in jest. | |
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| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 16:19 - Jan 29 with 789 views | TK1 |
| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 15:37 - Jan 29 by Northernr |
At 26 he's already incapable of doing three game weeks. We're already having to manage him through and do without him when we really need him - Norwich A prime example.
That's the end of it for me. We've got quite enough of those.
I don't actually think he's that good when he does play either. An improvement on Paal last season, quite a nice read of the game and where to be, lots of interceptions, goes up and down the line alright. But Simmo pointed something out a few weeks ago that I just can't unsee - the amount of times his first touch on his left foot puts the ball on his right foot, which he doesn't have.
He is what he is - we fcked the position up in the summer, we needed some emergency Champ experience on loan at short notice, he's come in and done fine. Thank you very much, shake hands, move on. Be like spending £1m on Andy Linighan in summer 99. |
Matthew Benham would not be signing RND. | | | |
| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 16:29 - Jan 29 with 749 views | nadera78 |
| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 15:20 - Jan 29 by TK1 |
Yes, true - but only to a degree that they saw themselves as plucky underdogs whereas QPR have a somewhat over inflated opinion of ourselves that is pretty much solely rooted in one four year period 50 years ago and another longer decade that came to an end three decades ago.
But Brentford were already upwardly mobile when Benham took over. He started his trading model in 2013-14, the season they were promoted to the Championship. under his guidance. Immediate success.
In his second season, they came 5th in the Championship.
In the meantime, in his first window he signed Tarkowski for a nominal fee, in his second he signed Andre Gray for £500k who then scored 16 goals that season and then would go the season after for £9m, Jota for £1m who would go for £6m 18 months later and Scott Hogan for £650k who would go two years later for £10m...
So, yeah, maybe they had lower expectations. But when you deliver Brentford's first promotion to the second tier in decades in season one, then their highest league placing and the play-offs in season two, and buy players who immediately make the club tens of millions of profit you quickly earn that patience!
They were both making longterm decisions *and* winning immediately. They knew/know how to do both. We don't. We just say we do every year. |
Benham took full control in 2012, but he'd been heavily involved since 2005-ish, so it wasn't immediate success.
Also, your assessment of QPR fans has 'some' merit but is overly harsh and diminishes 3 decades (give or take) of being a top flight club that regularly beat the biggest clubs in the country. | | | |
| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 17:43 - Jan 29 with 625 views | Spaghetti_Hoops |
All we need is a supporter with a few £100M, who is both a brilliant thinker, a good negotiator and owns a top rank data analysing outfit, and doesn't mind using that, his time and money on a hobby, QPR.
Otherwise we are just another club seeking to buy low and sell high, and running hard to stand still. Thankfully we might have some brains in the outfit at the moment including Nourry and JS. It's going to take more. As for Nourry I don't mind how posh, smarmy or uncommunicative he is with fans I just want him and the board to make good decisions. | | | |
| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 19:56 - Jan 29 with 466 views | TK1 |
| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 16:29 - Jan 29 by nadera78 |
Benham took full control in 2012, but he'd been heavily involved since 2005-ish, so it wasn't immediate success.
Also, your assessment of QPR fans has 'some' merit but is overly harsh and diminishes 3 decades (give or take) of being a top flight club that regularly beat the biggest clubs in the country. |
Benham was bailing them out financially for seven years. For the first two years he did so anonymously, though, and his assistance was mostly financial until he took over in 2012 and then started employing his Smartodds to run player recruitment: that same season they got in the play-offs. Two years later they were promoted, a year later they were in the Championship play-offs. Ten days after securing control of Brentford he bought the land by Kew Bridge that he said he was going to build a new stadium on.
Compared to some other clubs in the area, I'd describe that as pretty much immediate success.
I am not a Brentford fan, at all. However, it is an incredible achievement that I am very jealous of bearing in mind how many opportunities we've missed or messed up.
RE QPR in the top flight. I was there for 90%, it was often great, but it wasn't all great, and sometimes we forget that because it was so long ago:
Yes, up there 72 to 79 - though 77/78 and 78/79 were utterly miserable seasons. We won 15 league games out of 84 across both. Quarter Pound of Rubbish, ha ha ha, pretty much all I heard at primary school for two years.
Then 83 to 96, a glorious run when we were the Brentford/Bournemouth of the time. Loved it.
But that was 30 years ago.
Three seasons more than a decade ago, too, which are the now byword in what a promoted team should not do and almost bankrupted the club.
I'm not saying we should forget about it, at all. But the past distorts and comforts us in our current decade-long position as midtable second tier stalwarts.Too much glorious past of 30+ years ago in our mentality. We need some new stories. | | | |
| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 19:59 - Jan 29 with 463 views | numptydumpty |
| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 17:43 - Jan 29 by Spaghetti_Hoops |
All we need is a supporter with a few £100M, who is both a brilliant thinker, a good negotiator and owns a top rank data analysing outfit, and doesn't mind using that, his time and money on a hobby, QPR.
Otherwise we are just another club seeking to buy low and sell high, and running hard to stand still. Thankfully we might have some brains in the outfit at the moment including Nourry and JS. It's going to take more. As for Nourry I don't mind how posh, smarmy or uncommunicative he is with fans I just want him and the board to make good decisions. |
Ok Spaghetti
Heres my application in response to your advert.
"All we need is a supporter with a few £100M, who is both a brilliant thinker, a good negotiator and owns a top rank data analysing outfit, and doesn't mind using that, his time and money on a hobby, QPR"
I am a supporter
i have a few £100's.
i can complete the occasional su do ku
i got £2k off the asking price for my latest motor giving the salesmen the hard bargain.
i have my own investment analysis systemtheory.
Success bet on Coventry preseason to win Championship 14 to 1
Success bet on Rory Mcilroy 8 to 1 Last years Masters
The odd failure bet QPR to get in play offs 22 to 1
As for QPR being my hobby, well i spend money and time following them, but dont think its a hobby as arent you supposed to enjoy hobbies !!!
Anyhow beyond all that when can i start - as my overriding qualification, which surely means i qualify is i have an intermediate qualufication in the use of
CHATGBT...
When do I start ??? |  |
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| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 19:59 - Jan 29 with 463 views | Northernr |
Just to say, thank you for five pages of debate with a lot of different views and disagreements but done in a good spirit. | | | |
| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 22:07 - Jan 29 with 237 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 20:07 - Jan 27 by Northernr |
Of course he does. The whole strategy is his and overseen by him, with Andy Belk leading the data, analytics, scouting etc. |
Just for the record, I wasn't talking about 'strategy' - I was talking about player development, which is as, I pointed out, a coaching matter. I don't doubt Nourry has some kind of oversight here with player acquisition, but some fans just want to cling to myths to denigrate him - including the silly idea he 'picks the team' etc. |  |
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| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 23:38 - Jan 29 with 154 views | Spaghetti_Hoops |
| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 19:59 - Jan 29 by numptydumpty |
Ok Spaghetti
Heres my application in response to your advert.
"All we need is a supporter with a few £100M, who is both a brilliant thinker, a good negotiator and owns a top rank data analysing outfit, and doesn't mind using that, his time and money on a hobby, QPR"
I am a supporter
i have a few £100's.
i can complete the occasional su do ku
i got £2k off the asking price for my latest motor giving the salesmen the hard bargain.
i have my own investment analysis systemtheory.
Success bet on Coventry preseason to win Championship 14 to 1
Success bet on Rory Mcilroy 8 to 1 Last years Masters
The odd failure bet QPR to get in play offs 22 to 1
As for QPR being my hobby, well i spend money and time following them, but dont think its a hobby as arent you supposed to enjoy hobbies !!!
Anyhow beyond all that when can i start - as my overriding qualification, which surely means i qualify is i have an intermediate qualufication in the use of
CHATGBT...
When do I start ??? |
Why you little sh*t Numpty.
A supporter?
You hardly ever go to a game.
You're just on here all the time courting popularity.
In this madhouse!
Just like the others you don't admit to all the losing bets.
The few £100's are all borrowed at extortionate rates of interest.
The salesman would have offered £5k off until he saw who it was.
Intermediate qualification you say.....
Is that where you type a question and wait for the answer?
Super! | | | |
| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 01:03 - Jan 30 with 68 views | simmo |
As far as Nourry is concerned they say the end justifies the means, and I'm not a big fan of the means so far, but it's too early to know the end.
I had a previous post a while back with my thoughts and pros/cons so won't repeat myself, ultimately we'll know more based on where are and what the balance sheets look like in around 2 years.
For now I'd like to see some evidence of year on year learning and tangible changes to address prominent issues directly. Real improvements come from lessons learned, and the best lessons come from mistakes, which are also inevitable in such a difficult role. The issue is that Nourry doesn't want to acknowledge mistakes, at least publicly, so we don't know if or where there's accountability taken.
Let's see what the accounts for this year look like, and then in the summer I want to see some money coming in from player sales, proper changes to the medical side, a commitment to and continuation of Andy Evans work, further improvement on the communication - with less PR and more honesty - and to make sure the pitch never looks like this again...
Hunters point about trust is a good one and the biggest issue for Nourry and the genuine supporter base, imo. The above would go a long way to fixing that. |  |
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