| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary 10:32 - Jan 27 with 15234 views | thehat |
I believe it’s two years this month since Christian Nourry took over the helm at QPR. I thought it would make an interesting midweek thread on what the thoughts were of progress so far. Personally I am in the cup is half full camp and believe we have turned the ship and are now heading in the right direction below are some main pointers from me:
Positives
Squad - Recruitment has improved and we now have the best squad we have had for years and it seems a good blend of youth and experience and looks a much happier dressing room. For the first time in years we have players who are now worth looking at for teams higher up the food chain. We are not (yet) in a relegation battle and still with an outside chance of the play offs.
Manager - Maybe divides opinion but I’m still happy with the progress we are making under Julien Stephan who was a thoughtful choice and the same profile to continue the work done by Marti.
Academy - Plans to upgrade to Cat 1. Seems to be a positive move although only time will tell on this one.
School End - Removal of away fans from lower tier and having our own fans there seems to have certainly helped improve our home form.
Negatives
Better communication with fans. Good to see we are now communicating better with injuries but maybe more sessions with fan groups.
Performance team - This does need to improve the overall condition of our players compared to other clubs does by the naked eye seems very poor not just the injuries but the overall fitness of the team.
Pitch - God knows what happened there, it would be good if the club could let us know what the problem was and what is being done to fix it.
Finally a big shout out to our owners who continue to write the cheques to keep the lights on. Not only that but then converting the debt to shares so it is not shown on the balance sheet as club debt.
So for me this is still very much work in progress but we are in a much better position now than we were two years ago.
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| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 13:35 - Jan 31 with 1245 views | Northernr |
| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 13:09 - Jan 31 by Spaghetti_Hoops |
This is the information on Championship wages you find on the net.
(Source - Givemesport, Capology) reliability unknown.
The average annual player salary in the division is estimated by them at £595,000.
Every 2025/26 Championship Club's Wage Bill
1. Leicester City £42,926,000
2. Southampton £38,142,000
3. Ipswich Town £28,678,000
4. Sheffield United £27,300,000
5. Norwich City £22,802,000
6. West Bromwich Albion £21,008,000
7. Hull City £20,628,400
8. Middlesbrough £19,680,000
9. Watford £19,646,000
10. Birmingham City £18,850,000
11. Wrexham £18,187,000
12. Stoke City £17,836,000
13. Millwall £14,666,000
14. Derby County £14,398,000
15. Oxford United £13,751,400
16. Queens Park Rangers £13,500,800
17. Bristol City £13,468,400
18. Preston North End £13,322,400
19. Blackburn Rovers £13,106,000
20. Coventry City £12,948,000
21. Swansea City £12,380,000
22. Sheffield Wednesday £11,515,400
23. Portsmouth £9,568,000
24. Charlton Athletic £9,103,200 |
If you’re going to demand data and evidence from others you should at least provide accurate information yourself. A cursory glance at our accounts or any of the articles we’ve published about them show our wage bill consistently hovering between £20m and £25m. |  | | |
| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 13:48 - Jan 31 with 1209 views | Spaghetti_Hoops |
| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 13:35 - Jan 31 by Northernr |
If you’re going to demand data and evidence from others you should at least provide accurate information yourself. A cursory glance at our accounts or any of the articles we’ve published about them show our wage bill consistently hovering between £20m and £25m. |
Championship player wages v the club's overall wage bill?
You are comparing apples and pears?
AI estimates from various sources QPR Holdings Ltd employed 310 people in late 2025? The data above, whatever it's accuracy, is meant to cover 29 of the 310 employees.
In 2023/24, the last complete Championship club accounts available at the time, the total wages and salary bill for the division was £892M. This works out at an average of £35.1M per club (Source - Swiss Ramble). QPR were on £23.8M at the time, since reduced.
This by the Sentinel Group goes into more detail -
https://sentinelsportsgroup.co
(Source - Club Accounts/Swiss Ramble)
As you see we come out 18th highest on overall staff costs.
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| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 14:22 - Jan 31 with 1126 views | Mr_Beef |
| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 13:48 - Jan 31 by Spaghetti_Hoops |
Championship player wages v the club's overall wage bill?
You are comparing apples and pears?
AI estimates from various sources QPR Holdings Ltd employed 310 people in late 2025? The data above, whatever it's accuracy, is meant to cover 29 of the 310 employees.
In 2023/24, the last complete Championship club accounts available at the time, the total wages and salary bill for the division was £892M. This works out at an average of £35.1M per club (Source - Swiss Ramble). QPR were on £23.8M at the time, since reduced.
This by the Sentinel Group goes into more detail -
https://sentinelsportsgroup.co
(Source - Club Accounts/Swiss Ramble)
As you see we come out 18th highest on overall staff costs.
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You lost me at "whatever it's accuracy". |  | | |
| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 15:13 - Jan 31 with 1082 views | Spaghetti_Hoops |
| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 14:22 - Jan 31 by Mr_Beef |
You lost me at "whatever it's accuracy". |
Shame. You're easily lost.
When you might not have information you trust 100% you go for back up from the most trusted sources available. Club accounts (via Swiss Ramble) tell you that the player wages budget in that table "whatever it's accuracy" is roughly in line with the clubs total expenditure on wages and salaries. 18th in the Championship in those years. So I say it is useful information illustrating a point.
It's not a great surprise because we were only 19th on revenue and 19th on attendances that year. [Post edited 31 Jan 16:03]
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| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 20:10 - Jan 31 with 972 views | terryb |
| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 13:48 - Jan 31 by Spaghetti_Hoops |
Championship player wages v the club's overall wage bill?
You are comparing apples and pears?
AI estimates from various sources QPR Holdings Ltd employed 310 people in late 2025? The data above, whatever it's accuracy, is meant to cover 29 of the 310 employees.
In 2023/24, the last complete Championship club accounts available at the time, the total wages and salary bill for the division was £892M. This works out at an average of £35.1M per club (Source - Swiss Ramble). QPR were on £23.8M at the time, since reduced.
This by the Sentinel Group goes into more detail -
https://sentinelsportsgroup.co
(Source - Club Accounts/Swiss Ramble)
As you see we come out 18th highest on overall staff costs.
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And if you go between the figures you quoted & the club accounts, they would indicate that we spend between 50% & 100% of the total of players wages for non playing staff. Or between £7m & £13m on non players.
Is that really a possibility? [Post edited 31 Jan 20:11]
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| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 20:46 - Jan 31 with 904 views | paulparker |
| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 12:41 - Jan 27 by connell10 |
Always reminds me of a poor man's Richard Thompson but with less charisma. |
Doing a hell of a better job in 2 years than les ever could dream of |  |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 21:11 - Jan 31 with 862 views | Mr_Beef |
| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 15:13 - Jan 31 by Spaghetti_Hoops |
Shame. You're easily lost.
When you might not have information you trust 100% you go for back up from the most trusted sources available. Club accounts (via Swiss Ramble) tell you that the player wages budget in that table "whatever it's accuracy" is roughly in line with the clubs total expenditure on wages and salaries. 18th in the Championship in those years. So I say it is useful information illustrating a point.
It's not a great surprise because we were only 19th on revenue and 19th on attendances that year. [Post edited 31 Jan 16:03]
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Easily lost? Or just looking for the facts you ask from others? | | | |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 21:11 - Jan 31 with 862 views | Mr_Beef |
| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 15:13 - Jan 31 by Spaghetti_Hoops |
Shame. You're easily lost.
When you might not have information you trust 100% you go for back up from the most trusted sources available. Club accounts (via Swiss Ramble) tell you that the player wages budget in that table "whatever it's accuracy" is roughly in line with the clubs total expenditure on wages and salaries. 18th in the Championship in those years. So I say it is useful information illustrating a point.
It's not a great surprise because we were only 19th on revenue and 19th on attendances that year. [Post edited 31 Jan 16:03]
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| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 21:25 - Jan 31 with 832 views | Spaghetti_Hoops |
Well on those figures we pay £13.5M for 29 first squad players at an average of £437k per player, and £10.3M to around 280 staff at an average of £36.8k per person. Not sure who is included or excluded from that number or how typical that is of 300 person organisation. | | | |
| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 21:31 - Jan 31 with 812 views | Mr_Beef |
| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 21:25 - Jan 31 by Spaghetti_Hoops |
Well on those figures we pay £13.5M for 29 first squad players at an average of £437k per player, and £10.3M to around 280 staff at an average of £36.8k per person. Not sure who is included or excluded from that number or how typical that is of 300 person organisation. |
You're asking people to believe figures that you've told us have "reliability unknown", you're not sure who is included or excluded, or how typical that is.
Just asking you for the same facts that you're asking other for. Not too difficult surely. | | | |
| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 21:35 - Jan 31 with 804 views | Spaghetti_Hoops |
| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 21:11 - Jan 31 by Mr_Beef |
Easily lost? Or just looking for the facts you ask from others? |
Well if you have more reliable information on the player budget pray tell us.
Otherwise you are just barking up the wrong tree like northernr who made the mistake of confusing the first team squad wages with the whole club's salaries and wages bill. [Post edited 31 Jan 21:42]
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| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 21:41 - Jan 31 with 776 views | Northernr |
| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 21:35 - Jan 31 by Spaghetti_Hoops |
Well if you have more reliable information on the player budget pray tell us.
Otherwise you are just barking up the wrong tree like northernr who made the mistake of confusing the first team squad wages with the whole club's salaries and wages bill. [Post edited 31 Jan 21:42]
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There’s really reliable information on this, it’s in the accounts published annually. Don’t need AI. Don’t need clickbait websites. It’s just right there in black and white. | | | |
| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 22:28 - Jan 31 with 688 views | Spaghetti_Hoops |
| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 21:41 - Jan 31 by Northernr |
There’s really reliable information on this, it’s in the accounts published annually. Don’t need AI. Don’t need clickbait websites. It’s just right there in black and white. |
Just read the club accounts for 2024 filed 21/02/2025. There is no figure for the first team squad wages, why would there be? The only figure is for all staff salaries and wages £20,895,000 (Page 19).
So if there is a debate going on about our player budget and how it compares with other clubs in the Championship, and the consequences of that, why wouldn't you look for other sources of information. Subject of course to warnings that websites, including this one, can be inaccurate.
It turns out that the overall figure on the clickbait sites makes sense relative to overall club salary and wage costs. Wider knowledge about budget constraints might make the fanbase more aware of the compromises Nourry etc are having to make. Possibly at the expense of clicks. [Post edited 31 Jan 22:35]
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| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 22:39 - Jan 31 with 667 views | Northernr |
| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 22:28 - Jan 31 by Spaghetti_Hoops |
Just read the club accounts for 2024 filed 21/02/2025. There is no figure for the first team squad wages, why would there be? The only figure is for all staff salaries and wages £20,895,000 (Page 19).
So if there is a debate going on about our player budget and how it compares with other clubs in the Championship, and the consequences of that, why wouldn't you look for other sources of information. Subject of course to warnings that websites, including this one, can be inaccurate.
It turns out that the overall figure on the clickbait sites makes sense relative to overall club salary and wage costs. Wider knowledge about budget constraints might make the fanbase more aware of the compromises Nourry etc are having to make. Possibly at the expense of clicks. [Post edited 31 Jan 22:35]
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I actually agree with you, and have argued very frequently on here, that wage bill is the biggest single indicator of performance and we are usually around the 16th biggest payer in the league and therefore usually the 16th placed team in the league.
We agree.
If you think we're paying our players £13m and our back office £10m then I'm afraid we disagree. Francis does a bloody good job in the club shop, but it's not that good a job. | | | |
| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 22:53 - Jan 31 with 610 views | KensalT |
| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 22:39 - Jan 31 by Northernr |
I actually agree with you, and have argued very frequently on here, that wage bill is the biggest single indicator of performance and we are usually around the 16th biggest payer in the league and therefore usually the 16th placed team in the league.
We agree.
If you think we're paying our players £13m and our back office £10m then I'm afraid we disagree. Francis does a bloody good job in the club shop, but it's not that good a job. |
I haven't trawled the accounts as that's really not my thing, but I thought something spaghetti_hoops said in an earlier post did sound plausible:
"Well on those figures we pay £13.5M for 29 first squad players at an average of £437k per player, and £10.3M to around 280 staff at an average of £36.8k per person."
An average salary of around £37k in London for the non-playing staff can't be too wide of the mark, I wouldn't have thought.
How an organisation our size has that many people on the payroll is the bigger mystery. | | | |
| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 22:57 - Jan 31 with 588 views | Northernr |
| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 22:53 - Jan 31 by KensalT |
I haven't trawled the accounts as that's really not my thing, but I thought something spaghetti_hoops said in an earlier post did sound plausible:
"Well on those figures we pay £13.5M for 29 first squad players at an average of £437k per player, and £10.3M to around 280 staff at an average of £36.8k per person."
An average salary of around £37k in London for the non-playing staff can't be too wide of the mark, I wouldn't have thought.
How an organisation our size has that many people on the payroll is the bigger mystery. |
The accounts also show number of staff on pay roll and it’s nothing like that high. | | | |
| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 23:01 - Jan 31 with 564 views | KensalT |
| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 22:57 - Jan 31 by Northernr |
The accounts also show number of staff on pay roll and it’s nothing like that high. |
Fair enough. Like I said, I haven't looked at the numbers. | | | |
| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 23:41 - Jan 31 with 493 views | Spaghetti_Hoops |
| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 23:01 - Jan 31 by KensalT |
Fair enough. Like I said, I haven't looked at the numbers. |
Now I have looked at the accounts again. These are the staff covered :-
Football support staff 17
Players, managers and coaches 115 (down from 129 in 2023)
Admin staff 19
Commercial, marketing, retail 18
Stadium and maintenance 7
Total 176
Big difference with AI total which comes from a number of sources it said but I don’t see any reference in the accounts to match day staff. Is that all contracted out? Presumably everything else eg Trust, scouts etc is dealt with in other ways.
The submitted Gender Pay Gap data puts the club into the 250-499 employees category apparently. [Post edited 31 Jan 23:48]
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| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 00:01 - Feb 1 with 465 views | KensalT |
| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 23:41 - Jan 31 by Spaghetti_Hoops |
Now I have looked at the accounts again. These are the staff covered :-
Football support staff 17
Players, managers and coaches 115 (down from 129 in 2023)
Admin staff 19
Commercial, marketing, retail 18
Stadium and maintenance 7
Total 176
Big difference with AI total which comes from a number of sources it said but I don’t see any reference in the accounts to match day staff. Is that all contracted out? Presumably everything else eg Trust, scouts etc is dealt with in other ways.
The submitted Gender Pay Gap data puts the club into the 250-499 employees category apparently. [Post edited 31 Jan 23:48]
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OK.
But if we take your £10.3m figure and spread it across 176 staff that gives an average salary of roughly £58,500
And that doesn't look very plausible! | | | |
| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 00:53 - Feb 1 with 395 views | Spaghetti_Hoops |
| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 00:01 - Feb 1 by KensalT |
OK.
But if we take your £10.3m figure and spread it across 176 staff that gives an average salary of roughly £58,500
And that doesn't look very plausible! |
True, there’s something going on here with different definitions eg the Gender Pay Gap data of 250+ doesn’t tally with the accounts.
Of course the head coach and his immediate staff, senior management, heads of department etc must take out a substantial chunk. | | | |
| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 07:47 - Feb 1 with 239 views | QPROslo |
| Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary on 00:53 - Feb 1 by Spaghetti_Hoops |
True, there’s something going on here with different definitions eg the Gender Pay Gap data of 250+ doesn’t tally with the accounts.
Of course the head coach and his immediate staff, senior management, heads of department etc must take out a substantial chunk. |
I guess employer social security (NHI) and any other employee benefit costs is included in employee cost along with actual salary/wage costs and bonuses, which may account for much of the difference between perceived salary expectations and total reported personel costs. | | | |
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