| Fixed Odds Betting Terminals 12:31 - Jan 9 with 2413 views | MrSheen |
Never played one myself, but from everything I've read there seems no reason why they should be licensed. Anyone got any experiences or views of them? |  | | |  |
| Fixed Odds Betting Terminals on 12:57 - Jan 9 with 2372 views | tooting_hoop |
I haven't played these machines myself so can't really comment on them specifically, but I do have major concerns about certain elements of the gambling trade.
I also understand that these machines are so profitable that the bookmakers open up multiple outlets in single areas just so that they can increase the number of these money makers in one community to get around the restrictions on how many they can have I a single shop. Worrying.
In general I'm really worried at how the gambling industry is being allowed to normalise gambling. Advertising before, during and after live football matches, multiple shops opening up in high streets with little restrictions, the lottery advertising and shows being on TV all the time, online bingo all over daytime telly.
My kids are growing up thinking that have a bet is a regular thing to do, just part of being a regular girl or guy .... Just a bit of a laugh. And this is what the gambling industry wants us to think, and not what I want them to think for sure.
On no the other side of equation is the misery that people who get sucked in too far go through. I've seen it with friends and acquaintances - it's not pretty.
So I'm all for gambling if people want it, but I really against ramming it down people's throats. IMO it is an epidemic waiting to explode. |  |
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| Fixed Odds Betting Terminals on 12:59 - Jan 9 with 2369 views | NoDiddley |
Fixed would be the operative word. Truth is you cannot beat anything that is automated so why are they legal? They do not work on random selection like a true roulette wheel does (even though the house always wins). Fact is they work on percentages that are never declared.
Steer clear! |  | | |
| Fixed Odds Betting Terminals on 13:09 - Jan 9 with 2351 views | CroydonCaptJack |
| Fixed Odds Betting Terminals on 12:57 - Jan 9 by tooting_hoop |
I haven't played these machines myself so can't really comment on them specifically, but I do have major concerns about certain elements of the gambling trade.
I also understand that these machines are so profitable that the bookmakers open up multiple outlets in single areas just so that they can increase the number of these money makers in one community to get around the restrictions on how many they can have I a single shop. Worrying.
In general I'm really worried at how the gambling industry is being allowed to normalise gambling. Advertising before, during and after live football matches, multiple shops opening up in high streets with little restrictions, the lottery advertising and shows being on TV all the time, online bingo all over daytime telly.
My kids are growing up thinking that have a bet is a regular thing to do, just part of being a regular girl or guy .... Just a bit of a laugh. And this is what the gambling industry wants us to think, and not what I want them to think for sure.
On no the other side of equation is the misery that people who get sucked in too far go through. I've seen it with friends and acquaintances - it's not pretty.
So I'm all for gambling if people want it, but I really against ramming it down people's throats. IMO it is an epidemic waiting to explode. |
Good post. You can also include the way Talksport regularly talks to the Bookmakers to discuss odds of upcoming events. They want it all to become part of the National Pysche. |  | | |
| Fixed Odds Betting Terminals on 13:12 - Jan 9 with 2342 views | Metallica_Hoop |
Whenever I put on a small lucky 15 there is always a crowd of blokes around them swearing at it or moaning about bad 'luck'
Sorry guys bad luck is when your KV1-S 122mm shell that you have aimed yourself misfires and takes off the tracks of the other tank instaed of destroying it and due to your 15 second re-load you get mash up. [Post edited 9 Jan 2014 13:14]
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| Fixed Odds Betting Terminals on 13:15 - Jan 9 with 2324 views | MrSheen |
| Fixed Odds Betting Terminals on 13:09 - Jan 9 by CroydonCaptJack |
Good post. You can also include the way Talksport regularly talks to the Bookmakers to discuss odds of upcoming events. They want it all to become part of the National Pysche. |
Australia (specifically NSW) is shocking. Commentators give odds updates from the bookie sponsors during games. Pubs have automated betting terminals and banks of screens; punters rush over to get another bet after scores, meanwhile there are horse, dog or trotter races on literally every three minutes. God help us if we are going that way.
I don't get the appeal. Though I wouldn't automatically look to ban something I don't enjoy, I've never heard anyone speak up for them, apart from the bookies and the Treasury. That's more than enough, I suppose. | | | |
| Fixed Odds Betting Terminals on 13:44 - Jan 9 with 2291 views | baz_qpr |
| Fixed Odds Betting Terminals on 13:15 - Jan 9 by MrSheen |
Australia (specifically NSW) is shocking. Commentators give odds updates from the bookie sponsors during games. Pubs have automated betting terminals and banks of screens; punters rush over to get another bet after scores, meanwhile there are horse, dog or trotter races on literally every three minutes. God help us if we are going that way.
I don't get the appeal. Though I wouldn't automatically look to ban something I don't enjoy, I've never heard anyone speak up for them, apart from the bookies and the Treasury. That's more than enough, I suppose. |
They are widely used for money laundering according to a number of articles and TV programmes |  | | |
| Fixed Odds Betting Terminals on 14:03 - Jan 9 with 2271 views | Northernr |
The one I really don't get is the animated horse races they show in the shops in the very few spare minutes there are between horse and dog racing. Why on earth would you bet on a cartoon!? |  | | |
| Fixed Odds Betting Terminals on 14:26 - Jan 9 with 2230 views | wombat |
| Fixed Odds Betting Terminals on 14:03 - Jan 9 by Northernr |
The one I really don't get is the animated horse races they show in the shops in the very few spare minutes there are between horse and dog racing. Why on earth would you bet on a cartoon!? |
Clive its the same as anyone betting on zamora for first goal at a game |  |
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| Fixed Odds Betting Terminals on 16:04 - Jan 9 with 2188 views | Aunt_Nelly |
| Fixed Odds Betting Terminals on 14:03 - Jan 9 by Northernr |
The one I really don't get is the animated horse races they show in the shops in the very few spare minutes there are between horse and dog racing. Why on earth would you bet on a cartoon!? |
Same reason some drink the contents of alcohol hand sanitisers in hospitals or pop untold pain killers and percription drugs.
They are all addicts. |  | | |
| Fixed Odds Betting Terminals on 16:09 - Jan 9 with 2179 views | Jamie |
| Fixed Odds Betting Terminals on 14:03 - Jan 9 by Northernr |
The one I really don't get is the animated horse races they show in the shops in the very few spare minutes there are between horse and dog racing. Why on earth would you bet on a cartoon!? |
If you're having to have a bet on a cartoon because you can't handle a 10 minute wait between races, you're probably helplessly addicted. |  | | |
| Fixed Odds Betting Terminals on 16:19 - Jan 9 with 2170 views | Northernr |
| Fixed Odds Betting Terminals on 16:04 - Jan 9 by Aunt_Nelly |
Same reason some drink the contents of alcohol hand sanitisers in hospitals or pop untold pain killers and percription drugs.
They are all addicts. |
To steal the old Bill Hicks line about smoking through a hole in your neck "if I got to the stage where I was betting on a cartoon horse, I'd quit" | | | |
| Fixed Odds Betting Terminals on 05:42 - Jan 10 with 2031 views | westberksr |
| Fixed Odds Betting Terminals on 16:19 - Jan 9 by Northernr |
To steal the old Bill Hicks line about smoking through a hole in your neck "if I got to the stage where I was betting on a cartoon horse, I'd quit" |
great reference there Clive.
the terminals are a terrible thing and the bookies love them. all the while they are restricting the chances for gamblers that have half a clue by closing accounts but constantly promoting offers to new clients who they consider to be easy targets.
fixed machines, virtual racing and getting as many mug punters as possible with mass advertising; then go to Wonga half way through the month for an advance on next months wages! |  | | |
| Fixed Odds Betting Terminals on 09:09 - Jan 10 with 1993 views | swisscottage |
High street bookmakers are these days no such thing. They are mini casinos, with an online equivalent of guaranteed fixed odds profitability for them run purely by accountants.
In fact I would say there's no such thing as bookmakers these days. Even on course bookmakers are nothing more than accountants who hedge their books on Betfair. The art of making a book and bookmakers employing real traders is a thing of the past. Until they shut your accounts, if you know what you're doing, its easy money making money off the online firms who offer overnight prices on the following days racing because of the amount of ricks they make these days. These prices are usually gone pretty quickly though, and when you make money on them it doesn't take long for your account to be restricted.
Betting terminals are marketed purely at the addicts and should be banned full stop. Unlike horse racing or other sports betting where its just like a higher risk version of the stock market, where with time, experience and hard work its possible to make money at it, fixed odds betting terminals are created to leech money of those playing them without the possibility of long term gain .. without the fun or atmosphere of an actual night out in a casino with friends. They are the gamblers equivalent of crack cocaine and should be banned, along with heavy regulation of the online casino industry. | | | |
| Fixed Odds Betting Terminals on 09:39 - Jan 10 with 1966 views | N12Hoop |
With the decline of the High Street I couldn't understand why there seemed to be all these new betting shops opening, especially with the proliferation of online betting. Now I understand: they are mini casinos preying on misery.
Gambling is a serious cancer that seems to be encouraged at every turn now. Loads of Prem League clubs are sponsored by one and virtually every spinning advert in the ground is for a different betting company.
Having seen at first hand the damage old fashioned fruit machines did to a friend of mine I can't imagine what this proliferation of gambling options must be doing to armies of people. This is a timebomb. |  |
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| Fixed Odds Betting Terminals on 10:07 - Jan 10 with 1955 views | daveB |
| Fixed Odds Betting Terminals on 12:57 - Jan 9 by tooting_hoop |
I haven't played these machines myself so can't really comment on them specifically, but I do have major concerns about certain elements of the gambling trade.
I also understand that these machines are so profitable that the bookmakers open up multiple outlets in single areas just so that they can increase the number of these money makers in one community to get around the restrictions on how many they can have I a single shop. Worrying.
In general I'm really worried at how the gambling industry is being allowed to normalise gambling. Advertising before, during and after live football matches, multiple shops opening up in high streets with little restrictions, the lottery advertising and shows being on TV all the time, online bingo all over daytime telly.
My kids are growing up thinking that have a bet is a regular thing to do, just part of being a regular girl or guy .... Just a bit of a laugh. And this is what the gambling industry wants us to think, and not what I want them to think for sure.
On no the other side of equation is the misery that people who get sucked in too far go through. I've seen it with friends and acquaintances - it's not pretty.
So I'm all for gambling if people want it, but I really against ramming it down people's throats. IMO it is an epidemic waiting to explode. |
on the tv side of it the rules are quite strict on gambling advertising, we're not allowed to show any gambling or bingo ads around any show that has high kids ratings and got a fine from ofcom last year as we showed some during You've been framed so it is something that is looked at all the time. At the moment the only gambling ads you can show before 9pm is for bingo, lottery or during football matches. Lottery advertising is slightly different as you can buy a ticket at 16 so they can go around most mainstream shows. |  | | |
| Fixed Odds Betting Terminals on 13:31 - May 17 with 1552 views | SteveWorks |
| Fixed Odds Betting Terminals on 10:07 - Jan 10 by daveB |
on the tv side of it the rules are quite strict on gambling advertising, we're not allowed to show any gambling or bingo ads around any show that has high kids ratings and got a fine from ofcom last year as we showed some during You've been framed so it is something that is looked at all the time. At the moment the only gambling ads you can show before 9pm is for bingo, lottery or during football matches. Lottery advertising is slightly different as you can buy a ticket at 16 so they can go around most mainstream shows. |
It makes sense that these type of commercials are regulated. I agree with the approach. http://www.pari-mutuel-computing.com/en/Kiosk.html | | | |
| Fixed Odds Betting Terminals on 15:10 - May 17 with 1482 views | westberksr |
| Fixed Odds Betting Terminals on 10:07 - Jan 10 by daveB |
on the tv side of it the rules are quite strict on gambling advertising, we're not allowed to show any gambling or bingo ads around any show that has high kids ratings and got a fine from ofcom last year as we showed some during You've been framed so it is something that is looked at all the time. At the moment the only gambling ads you can show before 9pm is for bingo, lottery or during football matches. Lottery advertising is slightly different as you can buy a ticket at 16 so they can go around most mainstream shows. |
So all the kids watching the prem of champions league don't notice the Ladbrokes or 365 with ray Winston giving large on next goalscorer.
What actually qualifies for these TV restrictions? Even the bingo advertising seems to going on all the time and is presumably targeted at the ladies. | | | |
| Fixed Odds Betting Terminals on 15:32 - May 17 with 1436 views | Hoop_Du_Jour |
FOBTs have been around for nigh on 15 years and now you're all full of concern??? Eesh... |  | | |
| Fixed Odds Betting Terminals on 21:58 - May 17 with 1296 views | Watford_Ranger |
It's a bit of fun for 99.9% of us just as going to the pub is fine for 99.9%. If people can't control a gambling habit I blame them/their environment/upbringing or just that some people have addictive personalities. I don't blame Ray Winstone or Paddy Power and personally think the restriction of 4 machines per shop is silly- you just end up with more shops and high streets full of bookies. | | | |
| Fixed Odds Betting Terminals on 22:42 - May 17 with 1225 views | paulparker |
| Fixed Odds Betting Terminals on 21:58 - May 17 by Watford_Ranger |
It's a bit of fun for 99.9% of us just as going to the pub is fine for 99.9%. If people can't control a gambling habit I blame them/their environment/upbringing or just that some people have addictive personalities. I don't blame Ray Winstone or Paddy Power and personally think the restriction of 4 machines per shop is silly- you just end up with more shops and high streets full of bookies. |
Agreed, as long as I don't end up with a hipster beard and hanging around with the Ladbrookes life prats and call myself Mr Bright-side then I'm not to bothered ,
Bookies to me always had blokes with severe dandruff and who smelt of whippets p1ss now it's full of Eastern Europeans playing roulette |  |
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