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Another round of performative activity while women in the UK earn c.80% of what men do for doing similar jobs. Loving the Gender Pay Gap Bot on Twitter which finds the IWD posts from corporations and retweets with their pay gap figures and whether they've shrunk or grown.
If only women’s biggest issue was the gender pay gap.
Gender based violence, lack of basic opportunities in education and occupation; traded as commodities from as young as little girls into the sex industry; rape; forced marriage; discrimination and harassment...frankly, who would be a woman?
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If only women’s biggest issue was the gender pay gap.
Gender based violence, lack of basic opportunities in education and occupation; traded as commodities from as young as little girls into the sex industry; rape; forced marriage; discrimination and harassment...frankly, who would be a woman?
The forced marriage and many other associated activities come from 3rd world countries and have unfortunately been imported into the western world at the same time of mass immigration, all in the name of religion and due to no one in authority being brave enough to say “hold on this isn’t right” and putting a stop to it, it has been allowed to manifest. On the wage disparity surely if two people are doing the same job in an office then they should get the same pay? We still as a country have along way to go.
Never really understood that. Where I work the pay is the same whether you are a man or a woman and that seems to be the same across the board. The salary depends on a scale and it has nothing to do with gender.
Or are you saying that companies put women at lower levels of a grade because they are women ?
Seems a myth to me.
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International Women's Day on 21:39 - Mar 8 with 2712 views
International Women's Day on 21:12 - Mar 8 by Logman
Re the O.P.
Never really understood that. Where I work the pay is the same whether you are a man or a woman and that seems to be the same across the board. The salary depends on a scale and it has nothing to do with gender.
Or are you saying that companies put women at lower levels of a grade because they are women ?
Seems a myth to me.
It is a myth. The pay gap that exists today, is born out of the fact that women will take time out to have children, and be the person that will also work less hours due to commitments to those children.
'You didn't know that was wrong, but now you do. If you do it again, I'll know you are doing it on purpose.'
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International Women's Day on 21:57 - Mar 8 with 2672 views
International Women's Day on 21:12 - Mar 8 by Logman
Re the O.P.
Never really understood that. Where I work the pay is the same whether you are a man or a woman and that seems to be the same across the board. The salary depends on a scale and it has nothing to do with gender.
Or are you saying that companies put women at lower levels of a grade because they are women ?
Seems a myth to me.
Unfortunately not.
There are still cases of women with identical jobs being paid less. These tend to appear as part of other unequal treatment, e.g. constructive dismissal, redundancy through maternity, etc. I spoke with someone recently who saw a role advertised in her company as part of their growth. Based in another office, it was an identical role to hers and it was advertised with no salary. She applied with some amended details including her sex and asked what the salary was. She was told it was about £5k above what she was getting.
There are ongoing issues with job assessed role. For example, a classroom assistant role is assessed as being comparable to a gravedigger or roadworker based on responsibilities, required skills, etc. These roles, being assessed the same, should receive identical remuneration and they are not. The Asda case where retail workers were comparable to warehouse workers was one example.
A quick look at the bonus payments made in organisations shows the gaps more severely - men earn substantially more in bonuses than women even when roles are similar.
International Women's Day on 21:51 - Mar 8 by Sharpy36
It is a myth. The pay gap that exists today, is born out of the fact that women will take time out to have children, and be the person that will also work less hours due to commitments to those children.
When gender pay reporting was first introduced I ran a conference on it which included a talk on a gender pay review policy paper and a case study of how one institution reduced their pay gap.
One of the conclusions was that looking at gender alone wasn’t helpful and that any meaningful pay gap reciew should include race and class.
The most common mistake people make is confusing gender pay reporting with equal pay. The two things are separate.
Another point that came up was that certain industries expected to post a large gender pay gap due to the nature of their work. To understand the reporting you should also understand the unique factors in each industry/sector.
It’s very easy to get swept up in the Gender Pay Gap Bot but it’s very simplistic way at looking at it and adds nothing of value to conversation of gender equality.
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International Women's Day on 22:49 - Mar 8 with 2551 views
International Women's Day on 21:51 - Mar 8 by Sharpy36
It is a myth. The pay gap that exists today, is born out of the fact that women will take time out to have children, and be the person that will also work less hours due to commitments to those children.
This is correct.
The reports and findings from the time of the launch highlighted women coming back into work after maternity leave struggling to catch up with their male counterparts. This was typically the point where the gender pay divide would develop.
Part of the reporting has to include a ‘narrative’ to explain the gender pay gap as there are legitimate reasons why it exists in some organisations and the stats alone don’t tell you that.
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International Women's Day on 22:52 - Mar 8 with 2545 views
International Women's Day on 22:40 - Mar 8 by joe90
When gender pay reporting was first introduced I ran a conference on it which included a talk on a gender pay review policy paper and a case study of how one institution reduced their pay gap.
One of the conclusions was that looking at gender alone wasn’t helpful and that any meaningful pay gap reciew should include race and class.
The most common mistake people make is confusing gender pay reporting with equal pay. The two things are separate.
Another point that came up was that certain industries expected to post a large gender pay gap due to the nature of their work. To understand the reporting you should also understand the unique factors in each industry/sector.
It’s very easy to get swept up in the Gender Pay Gap Bot but it’s very simplistic way at looking at it and adds nothing of value to conversation of gender equality.
I agree this is a complex topic - I was responsible for producing GPG data in a large public authority and the nuances of reporting. I produced data for ethnicity and disability as well and the results would make your toes curl.
The gender pay gap reporting demonstrates there are structural inequalities in organisations. Where I reported there was a gap in favour of women since there were more social workers - mainly women - and more refuse workers - mainly men.
My concern, as I suggested at the start, is with performative actions taken today to try and demonstrate their equality. It's equality theatre - senior leaders can point at a panel, cakes, flowers, etc which were held today to try and prove they're equitable. But tomorrow, once the performance is over, the bureaucracy which prevents change happening will roll back and women will be in the place they were before. But with cake. Or flowers.
International Women's Day on 23:02 - Mar 8 by E17hoop
I agree this is a complex topic - I was responsible for producing GPG data in a large public authority and the nuances of reporting. I produced data for ethnicity and disability as well and the results would make your toes curl.
The gender pay gap reporting demonstrates there are structural inequalities in organisations. Where I reported there was a gap in favour of women since there were more social workers - mainly women - and more refuse workers - mainly men.
My concern, as I suggested at the start, is with performative actions taken today to try and demonstrate their equality. It's equality theatre - senior leaders can point at a panel, cakes, flowers, etc which were held today to try and prove they're equitable. But tomorrow, once the performance is over, the bureaucracy which prevents change happening will roll back and women will be in the place they were before. But with cake. Or flowers.
That’s a fair point about the ‘performative’ aspect of IWD and I do agree, it can be galling. One of my colleagues actually mentioned the Bot in a meeting today!
The structural issues are difficult to address. If you take the Asda case you mentioned, that came to light because of a technicality around T&C’s and even that was just the starting point as they then had to prove equal value. There must be so many other examples like that and when they all add up you see the scale of the issue. You also start to see the value of a descent Trade Union!
I believe you about the ethnicity and race data. I recently started a project at work to increase disability decelerations across the organisation so we can take ‘positive action’. It’s been an uphill struggle!
Does hurt my head a bit to think about all this.
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International Women's Day on 01:02 - Mar 9 with 2408 views
International Women's Day on 23:30 - Mar 8 by kensalriser
Misogynist arseholes attracted to this thread like flies to shit.
Nice way to describe fellow supporters, just adding some levity to yet another debate. But then the Left are notorious for lacking a sense of perspective and humour 🤔
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