| County Champions for the second year running 12:58 - Sep 28 with 2284 views | E17hoop |
Well done the 'Rey. |  |
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| County Champions for the second year running on 13:05 - Sep 28 with 2256 views | TheChef |
Yes well done on spending all that money. |  |
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| County Champions for the second year running on 15:05 - Sep 28 with 2123 views | numptydumpty |
Am a Surrey fan so very pleased by that news but ultimately becoming the Man City of club cricket in this country.
Successful and in all formats of the game very competitive. đ |  |
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| County Champions for the second year running on 07:38 - Sep 29 with 1997 views | stowmarketrange |
| County Champions for the second year running on 13:05 - Sep 28 by TheChef |
Yes well done on spending all that money. |
Should you not say well done on earning all that money?
Iâm sure if people had evidence of Surrey breaking the salary cap they wouldâve sent it to the ECB.
Well done to the brown hatters again. |  | | |
| County Champions for the second year running on 09:42 - Sep 29 with 1937 views | Hunterhoop |
| County Champions for the second year running on 07:38 - Sep 29 by stowmarketrange |
Should you not say well done on earning all that money?
Iâm sure if people had evidence of Surrey breaking the salary cap they wouldâve sent it to the ECB.
Well done to the brown hatters again. |
But Surrey are basically the only county able to spend at the salary cap. Everyone elseâs turnover prevents it.
Theyâve just gone and signed Dan Lawrence, Essexâs best player. Thatâs from the team who were runners up. Even in football you donât see Man City signing Saka mid season.
Surreyâs turnover is ÂŁ46.5m. Middlesexâs is ÂŁ8m. Most other counties down in that area.
Surreyâs is there, not because theyâre financial geniuses, but because for a very long time they were guaranteed a Test match and at least one, often 2 International white ball games, plus they get big crowds being in London for the domestic T20. They pocket all of that. Middx donât receive any of that revenue. It goes to the MCC. They get their memberships and a small fee from
The MCC for playing T20 at Lordâs.
Now with The Hundred, Surrey have another huge revenue stream as they were given a franchise. MCC pocket the revenue from the franchise at Lord.
No other county has close to this guaranteed revenue stream.
With guaranteed revenue streams you can borrow against it. Thatâs how theyâve developed the ground. You create a self fulfilling prophecy as with a more developed ground your revenue streams grow further.
And yes, thereâs a salary cap but itâs not much use if only 1 county spends up to it, because basic financial operation principles mean the others canât get close.
And performance isnât just down to the players. Surrey can hire the best coaches, youth coaches, physios, support staff, have the best training facilityâs, etc, etc.
You also receive additional financial reward from the ECB for having England players, which Surrey pocket through a) signing them and b) having the Largest/deepest amateur set up across the counties, with by far the largest colts set up. 14 of the biggest 20 colts sections are in Surrey.
Surrey have obviously played very well, and been managed very well these last few years. No doubt. They are the strongest county by miles. You just cannot ignore the huge competitive advantage they have over the rest of the counties.
It is a problem for the game and is entirely caused by the ECB.
They shouldnât be guaranteed a Test and white ball game every year. The Rose Bowl is accessible for people in The South East. They could alternate. More of the smaller counties, need the odd International T20/ODI to balance things out, the salary cap needs lowering or much better redistribution of wealth in the game to the counties with lower turnover. Implementing a stronger âhome grown playerâ requirement would prevent signing other counties best players all the time. Only 3, arguably 4, of Surreyâs 11 were home grown this week. Middx had 8. Someone like Somerset will have almost the whole team.
Fair play to the players - they donât control any of that. I just worry about the EVCBâs management of the game and lack of action about this burgeoning inequality. Interestingly, in the 50 over comp, essentially a 2nd XI comp as all the good players go to The Hundred, Surreyâs side really struggledâŚMiddx only lost 2 players and were still sh*t though. |  | | |
| County Champions for the second year running on 09:42 - Sep 29 with 1933 views | Tonto |
| County Champions for the second year running on 13:05 - Sep 28 by TheChef |
Yes well done on spending all that money. |
Surrey's team has a LOT of hone grown players so that argument is limited.
Burns, Roy, the Curran brothers, Atkinson, Smith, sibley, Pope, Jacks, Lawes for example are all products of the Surrey academy. Matt Dunn missed the entire season following the sad death of his daughter.
I accept that surrey can bring in overseas stars that others can't, but that rule applies in many sports not just cricket.
I would.also.say that unlike footy, most fans usually follow their local team or there is a family link. I was born in Surrey. Its as simple as that for me.
So well done the Rey. Hope they get the victory today to wrap.it up properly rather than having to relied on Edsex' implosion over their last 4 innings (across 2 matches) |  |
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| County Champions for the second year running on 09:50 - Sep 29 with 1904 views | numptydumpty |
| County Champions for the second year running on 09:42 - Sep 29 by Tonto |
Surrey's team has a LOT of hone grown players so that argument is limited.
Burns, Roy, the Curran brothers, Atkinson, Smith, sibley, Pope, Jacks, Lawes for example are all products of the Surrey academy. Matt Dunn missed the entire season following the sad death of his daughter.
I accept that surrey can bring in overseas stars that others can't, but that rule applies in many sports not just cricket.
I would.also.say that unlike footy, most fans usually follow their local team or there is a family link. I was born in Surrey. Its as simple as that for me.
So well done the Rey. Hope they get the victory today to wrap.it up properly rather than having to relied on Edsex' implosion over their last 4 innings (across 2 matches) |
Yes fans follow because of connections etc but the random T20 audience or the Hundred, its either random families, coming for a day out with small children, corporate London workers out for a work jolly or tourists wanting to experience a British sporting event.
And Surrey do benefit from this, much more than others, due to size of ground and obviously location.
So obviously we benefit from lots of random visitors that other counties cannot.
Am guessing you suggesting the fanbase simply with regards to the county championship which is obviously generally poorly attended. [Post edited 29 Sep 2023 9:51]
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| County Champions for the second year running on 09:56 - Sep 29 with 1872 views | Tonto |
| County Champions for the second year running on 09:50 - Sep 29 by numptydumpty |
Yes fans follow because of connections etc but the random T20 audience or the Hundred, its either random families, coming for a day out with small children, corporate London workers out for a work jolly or tourists wanting to experience a British sporting event.
And Surrey do benefit from this, much more than others, due to size of ground and obviously location.
So obviously we benefit from lots of random visitors that other counties cannot.
Am guessing you suggesting the fanbase simply with regards to the county championship which is obviously generally poorly attended. [Post edited 29 Sep 2023 9:51]
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I was suggesting anything with Surrey in it, so yes not the hundred, although I would auggest there is a lot of overlap with the Oval invincibles | |
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| County Champions for the second year running on 09:59 - Sep 29 with 1862 views | TheChef |
The financial stars have very much aligned for Surrey and they're taking full advantage. Fair play.
Chances are the CC will be a bit of a procession the next few years. | |
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| County Champions for the second year running on 10:02 - Sep 29 with 1854 views | numptydumpty |
| County Champions for the second year running on 09:59 - Sep 29 by TheChef |
The financial stars have very much aligned for Surrey and they're taking full advantage. Fair play.
Chances are the CC will be a bit of a procession the next few years. |
Yep as said, Man City of cricket đ | |
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| County Champions for the second year running on 10:03 - Sep 29 with 1848 views | numptydumpty |
| County Champions for the second year running on 09:56 - Sep 29 by Tonto |
I was suggesting anything with Surrey in it, so yes not the hundred, although I would auggest there is a lot of overlap with the Oval invincibles |
I agree with you when we talking about proper cricket. | |
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| County Champions for the second year running on 10:21 - Sep 29 with 1812 views | stowmarketrange |
| County Champions for the second year running on 09:42 - Sep 29 by Hunterhoop |
But Surrey are basically the only county able to spend at the salary cap. Everyone elseâs turnover prevents it.
Theyâve just gone and signed Dan Lawrence, Essexâs best player. Thatâs from the team who were runners up. Even in football you donât see Man City signing Saka mid season.
Surreyâs turnover is ÂŁ46.5m. Middlesexâs is ÂŁ8m. Most other counties down in that area.
Surreyâs is there, not because theyâre financial geniuses, but because for a very long time they were guaranteed a Test match and at least one, often 2 International white ball games, plus they get big crowds being in London for the domestic T20. They pocket all of that. Middx donât receive any of that revenue. It goes to the MCC. They get their memberships and a small fee from
The MCC for playing T20 at Lordâs.
Now with The Hundred, Surrey have another huge revenue stream as they were given a franchise. MCC pocket the revenue from the franchise at Lord.
No other county has close to this guaranteed revenue stream.
With guaranteed revenue streams you can borrow against it. Thatâs how theyâve developed the ground. You create a self fulfilling prophecy as with a more developed ground your revenue streams grow further.
And yes, thereâs a salary cap but itâs not much use if only 1 county spends up to it, because basic financial operation principles mean the others canât get close.
And performance isnât just down to the players. Surrey can hire the best coaches, youth coaches, physios, support staff, have the best training facilityâs, etc, etc.
You also receive additional financial reward from the ECB for having England players, which Surrey pocket through a) signing them and b) having the Largest/deepest amateur set up across the counties, with by far the largest colts set up. 14 of the biggest 20 colts sections are in Surrey.
Surrey have obviously played very well, and been managed very well these last few years. No doubt. They are the strongest county by miles. You just cannot ignore the huge competitive advantage they have over the rest of the counties.
It is a problem for the game and is entirely caused by the ECB.
They shouldnât be guaranteed a Test and white ball game every year. The Rose Bowl is accessible for people in The South East. They could alternate. More of the smaller counties, need the odd International T20/ODI to balance things out, the salary cap needs lowering or much better redistribution of wealth in the game to the counties with lower turnover. Implementing a stronger âhome grown playerâ requirement would prevent signing other counties best players all the time. Only 3, arguably 4, of Surreyâs 11 were home grown this week. Middx had 8. Someone like Somerset will have almost the whole team.
Fair play to the players - they donât control any of that. I just worry about the EVCBâs management of the game and lack of action about this burgeoning inequality. Interestingly, in the 50 over comp, essentially a 2nd XI comp as all the good players go to The Hundred, Surreyâs side really struggledâŚMiddx only lost 2 players and were still sh*t though. |
Some good points made,but itâs hardly Surreyâs fault that Middlesex donât own their own ground or they would be doing exactly the same.
Itâs up to the ECB to try to even things up,but they seem to have less of an idea how to run the game than the EFL do.The decision in not having many tests in the north is a prime example of mismanagement.
Surrey lose a lot of players to various England sides,as do Yorkshire,but Surrey can afford to replace them,unlike Yorkshire.Is that Surreyâs fault that they lose players for most of the playing season?And should the CC be won by the team keeping their best players to the detriment of the England team?
We donât expect any football team to continue playing while 10 of their players are away playing for their national sides,but cricket teams have to carry on regardless.
And how many players from the Surrey academy have gone on to play for England?So having the best coaches and training facilities benefits the England team too.
Essex only fell apart in the last 2 matches,so would we be having this conversation if they hadnât choked at the finish line? | | | |
| County Champions for the second year running on 10:32 - Sep 29 with 1796 views | Hunterhoop |
| County Champions for the second year running on 10:21 - Sep 29 by stowmarketrange |
Some good points made,but itâs hardly Surreyâs fault that Middlesex donât own their own ground or they would be doing exactly the same.
Itâs up to the ECB to try to even things up,but they seem to have less of an idea how to run the game than the EFL do.The decision in not having many tests in the north is a prime example of mismanagement.
Surrey lose a lot of players to various England sides,as do Yorkshire,but Surrey can afford to replace them,unlike Yorkshire.Is that Surreyâs fault that they lose players for most of the playing season?And should the CC be won by the team keeping their best players to the detriment of the England team?
We donât expect any football team to continue playing while 10 of their players are away playing for their national sides,but cricket teams have to carry on regardless.
And how many players from the Surrey academy have gone on to play for England?So having the best coaches and training facilities benefits the England team too.
Essex only fell apart in the last 2 matches,so would we be having this conversation if they hadnât choked at the finish line? |
Itâs definitely the ECBâs fault. Iâm not blaming Surrey for the inequality and inequity. Iâm merely saying that context does devalue the achievement a little. It is such a huge advantage they have.
Surrey also hefty income stream from players off with England. Itâs not a punishments they still get to field them in many games throughout the season too.
The issue is the ECB. All clubs, if given by far the largest guaranteed revenue by the league administrator would a) borrow to develop their ground to increase and safeguard future revenue, b) sign the best players, c) invest in the best coaching set up and facilities. Of course they would.
The issue is county cricket never used to have this inequality (for lots of reasons) and now does and itâs caused by the ECB!! The governing body should be there to protect against it not proactively worsen it!
In terms of benefit to England, your point there is flawed. It would be far more beneficial to England if training facilities and youth set ups were improved across the other 17 counties than have 1 county with by far the best servicing the already richest county in England, with tons of private schools with great facilities too. The country is missing out of more cricketers this way than it would if that money was spread more evenly.
Basically, fair play to Surrey for making the most of the advantage and to the players for winning. But it what should happen. Surrey should really win 2/3 tournaments every year as things stand. Their T20 side was insane. To not win that was a tad embarrassing.
But the ECB need some serious criticism for the situation the county game is in. | | | |
| County Champions for the second year running on 11:40 - Sep 29 with 1727 views | BlackAndGoldRanger |
19 players used across 14 matches with 9 homegrown players. My local county who I've been a member of for 10 years+. 3 losses in 2 seasons (today and last game of last season after the title was sewn up already) is an incredible effort.
Well done the 'Rey indeed!
Do think county cricket needs to bin this players joining the match halfway through malarkey though. |  | | |
| County Champions for the second year running on 13:56 - Sep 29 with 1614 views | TheChef |
Nice of them to let Hampshire win though! | |
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| County Champions for the second year running on 15:41 - Sep 29 with 1555 views | plasmahoop |
| County Champions for the second year running on 10:32 - Sep 29 by Hunterhoop |
Itâs definitely the ECBâs fault. Iâm not blaming Surrey for the inequality and inequity. Iâm merely saying that context does devalue the achievement a little. It is such a huge advantage they have.
Surrey also hefty income stream from players off with England. Itâs not a punishments they still get to field them in many games throughout the season too.
The issue is the ECB. All clubs, if given by far the largest guaranteed revenue by the league administrator would a) borrow to develop their ground to increase and safeguard future revenue, b) sign the best players, c) invest in the best coaching set up and facilities. Of course they would.
The issue is county cricket never used to have this inequality (for lots of reasons) and now does and itâs caused by the ECB!! The governing body should be there to protect against it not proactively worsen it!
In terms of benefit to England, your point there is flawed. It would be far more beneficial to England if training facilities and youth set ups were improved across the other 17 counties than have 1 county with by far the best servicing the already richest county in England, with tons of private schools with great facilities too. The country is missing out of more cricketers this way than it would if that money was spread more evenly.
Basically, fair play to Surrey for making the most of the advantage and to the players for winning. But it what should happen. Surrey should really win 2/3 tournaments every year as things stand. Their T20 side was insane. To not win that was a tad embarrassing.
But the ECB need some serious criticism for the situation the county game is in. |
Yes, didn't there used to be a rule that you could only sign two list a players every couple of years? It meant regardless of finances it was likelier people stayed with their original county. It allowed a few moves(like Worcester signing Botham and dilley,) but you couldn't just sign whoever you like | | | |
| County Champions for the second year running on 18:18 - Sep 29 with 1487 views | loftus77 |
I'd still say the 1950s side has the edge though..... | | | |
| County Champions for the second year running on 17:18 - Sep 30 with 1314 views | Damo1962 |
And Middlesex relegated again. Two batting points all season đ˛ When I started following QPR and Middlesex in the 70's, both clubs were up there and competing with the best. To see them now is heartbreaking for me personally. | | | |
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