| #Letfansin on 11:46 - Oct 6 with 2968 views | TheChef |
Crazy - surely anything outdoors has to be a better option than indoors.
Nothing would surprise me if Sky were doing everything with the government to ensure fans are kept out of grounds. Would love to know by how much they've increased their number of subscriptions. |  |
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| #Letfansin on 11:52 - Oct 6 with 2945 views | daveB |
| #Letfansin on 11:46 - Oct 6 by TheChef |
Crazy - surely anything outdoors has to be a better option than indoors.
Nothing would surprise me if Sky were doing everything with the government to ensure fans are kept out of grounds. Would love to know by how much they've increased their number of subscriptions. |
No films being released anyway, the only thing on at my local cinema is Premier League football and old Star Wars films which i can watch at home.
Fans not going in hasn't helped Sky at all, I don't think there is any sort of conspiracy to stop us going back it's just sheer incompetence |  | | |
| #Letfansin on 12:03 - Oct 6 with 2906 views | Maggsinho |
I still think it's the bits either side of the game itself they're worried about - thousands of fans on public transport, in the pub, going through the turnstiles, in the concourse, in the toilets. All potential spreading events even if the game itself is safer than watching it in a cinema.
I'd like to see fans allowed back in but can understand why they're hesitating. |  | | |
| #Letfansin on 12:32 - Oct 6 with 2862 views | daveB |
| #Letfansin on 12:03 - Oct 6 by Maggsinho |
I still think it's the bits either side of the game itself they're worried about - thousands of fans on public transport, in the pub, going through the turnstiles, in the concourse, in the toilets. All potential spreading events even if the game itself is safer than watching it in a cinema.
I'd like to see fans allowed back in but can understand why they're hesitating. |
easily worked out though, if you are only letting in 5,6000 to games the numbers on public transport would not be hugely different to a normal day and most of these fans are watching the games in pubs at the moment anyway.
They should have said that League 1 and 2 can continue with the trial and have 1,000 home fans per match, if that worked extend the numbers and then include the championship in a phased return rather than this whole rip it up and start again approach. | | | |
| #Letfansin on 12:41 - Oct 6 with 2844 views | Trom |
Social distancing at Loftus Road is not going to be easy. How would people get to their seats? At the moment it's a long shuffle of squeezing past people to get to your seat. Even with the ground half full it would be an issue at HQ. |  | | |
| #Letfansin on 13:27 - Oct 6 with 2750 views | daveB |
| #Letfansin on 12:41 - Oct 6 by Trom |
Social distancing at Loftus Road is not going to be easy. How would people get to their seats? At the moment it's a long shuffle of squeezing past people to get to your seat. Even with the ground half full it would be an issue at HQ. |
with 5,000 people in the stadium thats a lot less people in each stand and you can of course use the school end as well making it easier to do | | | |
| #Letfansin on 13:28 - Oct 6 with 2749 views | toboboly |
| #Letfansin on 12:41 - Oct 6 by Trom |
Social distancing at Loftus Road is not going to be easy. How would people get to their seats? At the moment it's a long shuffle of squeezing past people to get to your seat. Even with the ground half full it would be an issue at HQ. |
Students in universities and kids in schools don't lend to social distancing. Where I live in Haringay couldn't give a fcuk about social distancing.
I am not in a position to attend however those that are and wish to do so should be able to. Loftus Road is tight, but then so was Boots and Morrisons yesterday and I imagine QPR would be far better at policing us than companies seem to care to. |  |
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| #Letfansin on 17:08 - Oct 6 with 2623 views | toboboly |
Off to non-league.
Bump, get signing. | |
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| #Letfansin on 17:55 - Oct 6 with 2560 views | gobbles |
I'm all for letting fans in, the problem is will fans actually play ball. It's not just football either, other sports are suffering terribly.
But let's not forget the open-top bus at Leeds, the crowds outside Liverpool and West Brom. That's what they are scared of, games becoming magnets for thousands of fans. |  | | |
| #Letfansin on 18:53 - Oct 6 with 2501 views | Boston |
| #Letfansin on 17:55 - Oct 6 by gobbles |
I'm all for letting fans in, the problem is will fans actually play ball. It's not just football either, other sports are suffering terribly.
But let's not forget the open-top bus at Leeds, the crowds outside Liverpool and West Brom. That's what they are scared of, games becoming magnets for thousands of fans. |
Queens Park Rangers, fan magnet, not at the moment. |  |
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| #Letfansin on 19:09 - Oct 6 with 2465 views | daveB |
| #Letfansin on 17:55 - Oct 6 by gobbles |
I'm all for letting fans in, the problem is will fans actually play ball. It's not just football either, other sports are suffering terribly.
But let's not forget the open-top bus at Leeds, the crowds outside Liverpool and West Brom. That's what they are scared of, games becoming magnets for thousands of fans. |
That was all after teams won the league or promotion so was bound to happen and will happen again whether you are allowed in or not | | | |
| #Letfansin on 19:17 - Oct 6 with 2447 views | gobbles |
| #Letfansin on 18:53 - Oct 6 by Boston |
Queens Park Rangers, fan magnet, not at the moment. |
So you think it should only be QPR who are allowed to let fans in? | | | |
| #Letfansin on 19:29 - Oct 6 with 2429 views | LazyFan |
| #Letfansin on 12:41 - Oct 6 by Trom |
Social distancing at Loftus Road is not going to be easy. How would people get to their seats? At the moment it's a long shuffle of squeezing past people to get to your seat. Even with the ground half full it would be an issue at HQ. |
Here is the shocker solution ...
Bring back standing only areas!!!!
Yes after all that standing only areas would solve this. |  |
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| #Letfansin on 19:33 - Oct 6 with 2424 views | gobbles |
| #Letfansin on 19:29 - Oct 6 by LazyFan |
Here is the shocker solution ...
Bring back standing only areas!!!!
Yes after all that standing only areas would solve this. |
Stand on the X and don't move! | | | |
| #Letfansin on 21:50 - Oct 6 with 2318 views | LythamR |
| #Letfansin on 13:28 - Oct 6 by toboboly |
Students in universities and kids in schools don't lend to social distancing. Where I live in Haringay couldn't give a fcuk about social distancing.
I am not in a position to attend however those that are and wish to do so should be able to. Loftus Road is tight, but then so was Boots and Morrisons yesterday and I imagine QPR would be far better at policing us than companies seem to care to. |
The thing is that people need to shop for food and they need to go to pharmacies.
Football is discretionary and although it will be unpopular i dont think it is sensible to encourage people to gather any more than is necessary until this virus is properly under control and it clearly isnt and is going the wrong way at an alarming rate.
If we want schools open for kids education and as many businesses as possible to remain open we have to have a line drawn somewhere and attended football matches are the wrong side of the line in my opinion until the R number is consistently well under 1 |  | | |
| #Letfansin on 21:50 - Oct 6 with 2318 views | toboboly |
Over 100k. Keep signing. | |
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| #Letfansin on 22:03 - Oct 6 with 2299 views | Watford_Ranger |
| #Letfansin on 21:50 - Oct 6 by LythamR |
The thing is that people need to shop for food and they need to go to pharmacies.
Football is discretionary and although it will be unpopular i dont think it is sensible to encourage people to gather any more than is necessary until this virus is properly under control and it clearly isnt and is going the wrong way at an alarming rate.
If we want schools open for kids education and as many businesses as possible to remain open we have to have a line drawn somewhere and attended football matches are the wrong side of the line in my opinion until the R number is consistently well under 1 |
You’re not wrong of course but when the Prime Minister makes a point of encouraging people to go the cinema- showing the matches no less- days after warning we’re mixing too much then fk it. | | | |
| #Letfansin on 22:30 - Oct 6 with 2276 views | Hunterhoop |
| #Letfansin on 21:50 - Oct 6 by LythamR |
The thing is that people need to shop for food and they need to go to pharmacies.
Football is discretionary and although it will be unpopular i dont think it is sensible to encourage people to gather any more than is necessary until this virus is properly under control and it clearly isnt and is going the wrong way at an alarming rate.
If we want schools open for kids education and as many businesses as possible to remain open we have to have a line drawn somewhere and attended football matches are the wrong side of the line in my opinion until the R number is consistently well under 1 |
Not sure I agree, Lytham.
How does one decide what sector is discretionary and what sector isn’t? If you take into consideration the mental health aspect and public morale angle, you can make a strong case that football is very important. Certainly more so than the cinemas.
As I’ve said a few times on here, I just don’t think you can continue with this bizarre, illogical state where some sectors, professions, and social past times are allowed and encouraged, with social distancing measures, whilst others, especially outdoor ones are not. It does not make sense. You either lockdown or you open up but with lots of social distancing and PPE measures. Otherwise, by trying to pick and choose, you encourage the public to pick and choose what guidelines to follow.
It is utterly mad that people can meet in a pub or cinema in groups of 6 from different households on one table without social distancing to watch a game indoors, when we know the virus spreads more in confined spaces, but attend a game outdoors! By allowing fans you encourage people to socialise outside not indoors.
Currently we have 22+ lads playing amateur football on Saturdays and Sundays, from 22 different households outdoors all over the country! No social distancing at corners (well, depends on who’s playing I suppose!), but yet we can’t have people attend a match social distancing. There’s a hell of a lot of shouting at those games, so how do you explain to those lads, often in their early 20s that playing football against strangers, shouting, tackling, etc, is absolutely fine, but that they’re awful people if they don’t wear their mask properly, and they shouldn’t go for a drink or to a match with the same 11+ lads they played a match with earlier that day.
Our current status quo is illogical. It is not controlling the virus. It is not helping the economy. It is not helping people’s mental health. The govt is making PR led decisions not economically led or science led decisions. |  | | |
| #Letfansin on 23:08 - Oct 6 with 2229 views | Stanisgod |
| #Letfansin on 22:03 - Oct 6 by Watford_Ranger |
You’re not wrong of course but when the Prime Minister makes a point of encouraging people to go the cinema- showing the matches no less- days after warning we’re mixing too much then fk it. |
Agreed, thousands of people coming out of pubs and bars, restaurants etc, at 10 pm all at once 7 nights week a lot safer than a lot less coming out of a football ground once a fortnight apparently. |  |
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| #Letfansin on 23:13 - Oct 6 with 2220 views | daveB |
| #Letfansin on 21:50 - Oct 6 by LythamR |
The thing is that people need to shop for food and they need to go to pharmacies.
Football is discretionary and although it will be unpopular i dont think it is sensible to encourage people to gather any more than is necessary until this virus is properly under control and it clearly isnt and is going the wrong way at an alarming rate.
If we want schools open for kids education and as many businesses as possible to remain open we have to have a line drawn somewhere and attended football matches are the wrong side of the line in my opinion until the R number is consistently well under 1 |
If they were stopping people going to the cinema and opening up the Royal Albert Hall to 3,000 people I'd agree with you but while all that is going on it makes no sense at all to stop people going to watch any sport. All the test pilot events they did for Rugby Cricket and football worked fine so why stop them. | | | |
| #Letfansin on 23:33 - Oct 6 with 2193 views | LythamR |
| #Letfansin on 22:30 - Oct 6 by Hunterhoop |
Not sure I agree, Lytham.
How does one decide what sector is discretionary and what sector isn’t? If you take into consideration the mental health aspect and public morale angle, you can make a strong case that football is very important. Certainly more so than the cinemas.
As I’ve said a few times on here, I just don’t think you can continue with this bizarre, illogical state where some sectors, professions, and social past times are allowed and encouraged, with social distancing measures, whilst others, especially outdoor ones are not. It does not make sense. You either lockdown or you open up but with lots of social distancing and PPE measures. Otherwise, by trying to pick and choose, you encourage the public to pick and choose what guidelines to follow.
It is utterly mad that people can meet in a pub or cinema in groups of 6 from different households on one table without social distancing to watch a game indoors, when we know the virus spreads more in confined spaces, but attend a game outdoors! By allowing fans you encourage people to socialise outside not indoors.
Currently we have 22+ lads playing amateur football on Saturdays and Sundays, from 22 different households outdoors all over the country! No social distancing at corners (well, depends on who’s playing I suppose!), but yet we can’t have people attend a match social distancing. There’s a hell of a lot of shouting at those games, so how do you explain to those lads, often in their early 20s that playing football against strangers, shouting, tackling, etc, is absolutely fine, but that they’re awful people if they don’t wear their mask properly, and they shouldn’t go for a drink or to a match with the same 11+ lads they played a match with earlier that day.
Our current status quo is illogical. It is not controlling the virus. It is not helping the economy. It is not helping people’s mental health. The govt is making PR led decisions not economically led or science led decisions. |
"it is utterly mad that people can meet in a pub or cinema in groups of 6 from different households on one table without social distancing to watch a game indoors, when we know the virus spreads more in confined spaces, but attend a game outdoors! By allowing fans you encourage people to socialise outside not indoors.?"
Its not just utterly mad, its suicidal
The groups of 6 rule is stupid, everyone dashing around try to have BBQ's etc and going to the pub in groups based on the maximum allowed by the rules is stupid, we should just be opening up enough to function, yes people should be allowed to visit others where there are potential mental health issues but that will inevitably lead to some transmission so if other people can stay away from others and mix as little as possible that would help to keep overall transmission rates down.
The Government has got this badly wrong, effectively trying to open as quickly as possible. eat out to take out was crazy, I think it would have been much cheaper to just support the staff and businesses directly.
Encouraging people to cinemas, pubs restaurants etc is crazy, i agree that Football is equally as important, more so in some instances, I miss going, I miss meeting and laughing with mates, i miss the emotional release of a goal celebration or screaming at the ref. Hell i even miss driving down and back up but I just think effectively containing this thing so we dont end up back in total lockdowns is more important at the moment | | | |
| #Letfansin on 23:38 - Oct 6 with 2186 views | LythamR |
| #Letfansin on 23:13 - Oct 6 by daveB |
If they were stopping people going to the cinema and opening up the Royal Albert Hall to 3,000 people I'd agree with you but while all that is going on it makes no sense at all to stop people going to watch any sport. All the test pilot events they did for Rugby Cricket and football worked fine so why stop them. |
I understand the point Dave and that of Watford and Stanisgod
I would say that 2 wrongs dont make a right, I think we should be much mor defensive to control the spread therefore i wont be signing this petition however is someone shows me one to shut cinemas and the royal albert hall etc i will happily sign that one. | | | |
| #Letfansin on 23:55 - Oct 6 with 2171 views | Hunterhoop |
| #Letfansin on 23:33 - Oct 6 by LythamR |
"it is utterly mad that people can meet in a pub or cinema in groups of 6 from different households on one table without social distancing to watch a game indoors, when we know the virus spreads more in confined spaces, but attend a game outdoors! By allowing fans you encourage people to socialise outside not indoors.?"
Its not just utterly mad, its suicidal
The groups of 6 rule is stupid, everyone dashing around try to have BBQ's etc and going to the pub in groups based on the maximum allowed by the rules is stupid, we should just be opening up enough to function, yes people should be allowed to visit others where there are potential mental health issues but that will inevitably lead to some transmission so if other people can stay away from others and mix as little as possible that would help to keep overall transmission rates down.
The Government has got this badly wrong, effectively trying to open as quickly as possible. eat out to take out was crazy, I think it would have been much cheaper to just support the staff and businesses directly.
Encouraging people to cinemas, pubs restaurants etc is crazy, i agree that Football is equally as important, more so in some instances, I miss going, I miss meeting and laughing with mates, i miss the emotional release of a goal celebration or screaming at the ref. Hell i even miss driving down and back up but I just think effectively containing this thing so we dont end up back in total lockdowns is more important at the moment |
The ship has sailed. The train has left the station. It’s too late.
If they’d held the full lockdown for longer and quarantined all incoming travellers for 14 days, perhaps they could have contained and eradicated the virus.
If they’d had a robust testing, track and trace system in place for when they relaxed lockdown in July, perhaps they could have contained and eradicated the virus.
But now? It’s too late.
All that will happen with the current approach is that it will still go through the country, just over a longer period of time, bringing with it all the economic impact, mental health impact, along with all the other negative ramifications for other health conditions.
This is a PR led approach. Not a health one. | | | |
| #Letfansin on 08:37 - Oct 7 with 2053 views | toboboly |
| #Letfansin on 21:50 - Oct 6 by LythamR |
The thing is that people need to shop for food and they need to go to pharmacies.
Football is discretionary and although it will be unpopular i dont think it is sensible to encourage people to gather any more than is necessary until this virus is properly under control and it clearly isnt and is going the wrong way at an alarming rate.
If we want schools open for kids education and as many businesses as possible to remain open we have to have a line drawn somewhere and attended football matches are the wrong side of the line in my opinion until the R number is consistently well under 1 |
Sorry, bad examples.
You are being encouraged to go to the cinema to watch anything, including football matches, which is less safe than being in an open air stadium where you can do your own risk analysis and people at QPR will be actively trying to look after you. | |
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