| The new Sunderland? 07:52 - Jan 29 with 5826 views | SimplyNico |
Step forward West Ham? Interesting piece in the Times this morning about the seeming existential threat that relegation would have for them. They have a collection of crocks, has beens and never weres on long term, expensive contracts. They don't even have a ground to raise finance against. Interesting season finale for them. |  | | |  |
| The new Sunderland? on 18:39 - Jan 29 with 1780 views | Northernr |
Whatever happened to Jack Wheelchair? Disappeared into a cloud of Marlboro Red smoke... |  | | |
| The new Sunderland? on 19:03 - Jan 29 with 1738 views | PBLOCK |
| The new Sunderland? on 17:02 - Jan 29 by stevec |
They don’t have a ground to raise finance against but they do have 57000 supporters.
Having a bad time through poor management at the moment but with the unbelievably low rent and size of support I’d rather be in their shoes than ours.
That was the deal of the century and suspect the running track will disappear when the council get sick of funding the place. The rent is pretty much set in stone so assuming they avoid relegation this’ll be a temporary blip. |
I don’t think they have 57,000 supporters
The cheap tickets both pay on the day and season tickets have been snapped up by tourists and people who fancy watching Premier League football.
I know a few non West Ham fans who bought them because they were so cheap and pick and choose who they watch them flog the other ones.
If they go down they won’t be getting those numbers be lucky to pull 30,000 at home to Barnsley on a Tuesday night and the stadium will be half filled
Fingers crossed | | | |
| The new Sunderland? on 19:06 - Jan 29 with 1736 views | MrSheen |
Curse of the Olympic stadium. Horrible oversized white elephants that no one has any love for...Montreal, Barcelona, Sydney, Athens, Beijing |  | | |
| The new Sunderland? on 19:35 - Jan 29 with 1691 views | SimplyNico |
| The new Sunderland? on 18:39 - Jan 29 by Northernr |
Whatever happened to Jack Wheelchair? Disappeared into a cloud of Marlboro Red smoke... |
Jack is specifically referred to in the article Clive. £100k per week, three year deal and has apparently made six appearances.
Does it remind you of Luke Young or Dyer? At least with Dyer he tried to get fit. And then the next bit broke. | | | |
| The new Sunderland? on 12:18 - Jan 30 with 1517 views | karl |
| The new Sunderland? on 19:35 - Jan 29 by SimplyNico |
Jack is specifically referred to in the article Clive. £100k per week, three year deal and has apparently made six appearances.
Does it remind you of Luke Young or Dyer? At least with Dyer he tried to get fit. And then the next bit broke. |
West Ham and their stadium situation is different but getting relegated and even double relegation isn't necessarily the worst thing as long as the club does have some financial security.
We were in Admin and possibly/probably were saved by having Ollie at that time but ultimately I think most grew to accept being in the 3rd tier and then the fact we were winning games again galvanised the support, we got a trip to Millennium stadium and then the great story of promotion after that disappointment. Perhaps a mini rebirth after the sham of Vinnie Jones and Razor Ruddock?
I think Sunderland are similar in some ways, Forest, Norwich and Ipswich?
West Ham do need to look at Coventry but tbh it seems that although the Olympic Park isn't suited to football and will affect crowds in lower leagues their rent agreement does seem to suggest that they aren't a direct comparison to Coventry, getting rid of the Premier league wages will be their biggest priority.
I think relegation can often be a blessing for a club and if it's managed correctly you come out of it healthier, Hibs although staying in lower league 3 yrs managed to rebuild and even won the cup, struggling at the bottom of the league for years just creates a malaise and boring survival football |  | | |
| The new Sunderland? on 12:22 - Jan 30 with 1504 views | Maggsinho |
| The new Sunderland? on 12:18 - Jan 30 by karl |
West Ham and their stadium situation is different but getting relegated and even double relegation isn't necessarily the worst thing as long as the club does have some financial security.
We were in Admin and possibly/probably were saved by having Ollie at that time but ultimately I think most grew to accept being in the 3rd tier and then the fact we were winning games again galvanised the support, we got a trip to Millennium stadium and then the great story of promotion after that disappointment. Perhaps a mini rebirth after the sham of Vinnie Jones and Razor Ruddock?
I think Sunderland are similar in some ways, Forest, Norwich and Ipswich?
West Ham do need to look at Coventry but tbh it seems that although the Olympic Park isn't suited to football and will affect crowds in lower leagues their rent agreement does seem to suggest that they aren't a direct comparison to Coventry, getting rid of the Premier league wages will be their biggest priority.
I think relegation can often be a blessing for a club and if it's managed correctly you come out of it healthier, Hibs although staying in lower league 3 yrs managed to rebuild and even won the cup, struggling at the bottom of the league for years just creates a malaise and boring survival football |
I liked Ruddock, don't think you can put him in the same basket as Vinnie Jones. |  | | |
| The new Sunderland? on 12:30 - Jan 30 with 1480 views | Juzzie |
| The new Sunderland? on 12:18 - Jan 30 by karl |
West Ham and their stadium situation is different but getting relegated and even double relegation isn't necessarily the worst thing as long as the club does have some financial security.
We were in Admin and possibly/probably were saved by having Ollie at that time but ultimately I think most grew to accept being in the 3rd tier and then the fact we were winning games again galvanised the support, we got a trip to Millennium stadium and then the great story of promotion after that disappointment. Perhaps a mini rebirth after the sham of Vinnie Jones and Razor Ruddock?
I think Sunderland are similar in some ways, Forest, Norwich and Ipswich?
West Ham do need to look at Coventry but tbh it seems that although the Olympic Park isn't suited to football and will affect crowds in lower leagues their rent agreement does seem to suggest that they aren't a direct comparison to Coventry, getting rid of the Premier league wages will be their biggest priority.
I think relegation can often be a blessing for a club and if it's managed correctly you come out of it healthier, Hibs although staying in lower league 3 yrs managed to rebuild and even won the cup, struggling at the bottom of the league for years just creates a malaise and boring survival football |
The thing that saved us is we own Loftus Road.
Coventry and West Ham don't own their stadiums. I doubt it but West Ham could end up homeless like Coventry. They needed something like 23k at the Ricoh to break even and were getting nowhere near that. Not sure what the break-even point is at the Olympic Stadium but it'll be a hinderance and out of their control. |  | | |
| The new Sunderland? on 12:40 - Jan 30 with 1453 views | karl |
| The new Sunderland? on 12:30 - Jan 30 by Juzzie |
The thing that saved us is we own Loftus Road.
Coventry and West Ham don't own their stadiums. I doubt it but West Ham could end up homeless like Coventry. They needed something like 23k at the Ricoh to break even and were getting nowhere near that. Not sure what the break-even point is at the Olympic Stadium but it'll be a hinderance and out of their control. |
Yes that's kind of what I was meaning with financial control, it's a big issue for whatever plans are afoot for Loftus Road as we'll have a downturn even though we look to be on sounder footing just now | | | |
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| The new Sunderland? on 16:36 - Jan 30 with 1375 views | PinnerPaul |
My 'favourite' from them in recent years was Gold or maybe it was Sullivan saying they wouldn't buy Charlie Austin because he was injury prone and then signing...……………………………………..Andy Carroll   | | | |
| The new Sunderland? on 16:38 - Jan 30 with 1370 views | PinnerPaul |
Looking at quotes from Mr Moyes last night, think they are in trouble.
HE wants to sign young players with potential, the owners want to sign anyone they have heard of who THEY think can save them from relegation | | | |
| The new Sunderland? on 21:31 - Jan 30 with 1280 views | enfieldargh |
| The new Sunderland? on 16:38 - Jan 30 by PinnerPaul |
Looking at quotes from Mr Moyes last night, think they are in trouble.
HE wants to sign young players with potential, the owners want to sign anyone they have heard of who THEY think can save them from relegation |
BBC transfer gossip column say West Ham interest in salamon kalou, ex chelsea mdfielder who is 34 going on 40 |  |
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| The new Sunderland? on 09:58 - Jan 31 with 1171 views | PinnerPaul |
| The new Sunderland? on 21:31 - Jan 30 by enfieldargh |
BBC transfer gossip column say West Ham interest in salamon kalou, ex chelsea mdfielder who is 34 going on 40 |
Exactly - that's one in the Gold/Sullivan column for sure! | | | |
| The new Sunderland? on 13:52 - Feb 1 with 1073 views | TGRRRSSS |
I fancy a trip there next season, it would be funny if they do go down.
With Moyes I think they'll survive and probably win this afternoon. |  | | |
| The new Sunderland? on 12:40 - Feb 2 with 1017 views | loftboy |
I reckon they are going down, lack any sort of fight. |  |
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| The new Sunderland? on 17:24 - Feb 2 with 873 views | TGRRRSSS |
| The new Sunderland? on 12:30 - Jan 30 by Juzzie |
The thing that saved us is we own Loftus Road.
Coventry and West Ham don't own their stadiums. I doubt it but West Ham could end up homeless like Coventry. They needed something like 23k at the Ricoh to break even and were getting nowhere near that. Not sure what the break-even point is at the Olympic Stadium but it'll be a hinderance and out of their control. |
I think the difference is politically with it being the Olympic Stadium etc I don't think they want them to go now they're in.
Could be wrong but I reckon it's different to Coventry and Ricoh in that somebody else (Wasps) came in to buy the ground from the council and the Charity who co owned it at the time.
Whoever did their original deal did a terrible wrong to the club and fans, the situation is different I think with West Ham and being London etc. | | | |
| The new Sunderland? on 17:29 - Feb 2 with 867 views | PinnerPaul |
| The new Sunderland? on 12:40 - Feb 2 by loftboy |
I reckon they are going down, lack any sort of fight. |
They certainly did well to snatch a draw from the mouth of victory yesterday! | | | |
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