| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro 10:03 - Jun 23 with 4473 views | Northernr |
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| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 19:59 - Jun 24 with 564 views | Nov77 |
| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 19:21 - Jun 24 by paulparker |
Jesus , Holloway never relegated us, not even pep with Klopp as his number 2 could of saved us with that sh1t show of a squad
Gerry lost the fight , we lost Carlisle & Langley and Chris Wright was skint and trying to get rid of the club to Pete winkleman , oh and we were heading for Admin , I seem to recall no one wanting the job even graham Rix turned us down
But yeah your right tony Incenzo would of kept us up |
Don’t underestimate Terry Cinzano, might not have kept us up, but what manager would have a greater memorabilia collection? we could have filled our trophy room with it.
Btw, points per game by that ‘shit show’ of players that season was, 0.97 before Holloway turned up, 0.61 after. |  |
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| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 22:11 - Jun 24 with 493 views | paulparker |
| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 19:59 - Jun 24 by Nov77 |
Don’t underestimate Terry Cinzano, might not have kept us up, but what manager would have a greater memorabilia collection? we could have filled our trophy room with it.
Btw, points per game by that ‘shit show’ of players that season was, 0.97 before Holloway turned up, 0.61 after. |
That squad was one of the worst in the living history of QPR FC , I think something like 15 of them were out of contract and none of them gave a Sh1t no one would have kept that lot up the club was a shambles and on life support |  |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 12:56 - Jun 25 with 395 views | TheChef |
| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 17:13 - Jun 24 by Antti_Heinola |
This is a fair-ish point to balance out the adulation, but my God that squad was the worst in living memory for me, and by a long, long way. And also by definition. Anyone who was at that Wimbledon game will remember just how bad things were. Redknapp had more than half a season and had more money to spend than any manager in our history to keep us up in the Prem, failed, and still gets less stick that Holloway on here from some posters (not saying you Nov).
Holloway was in charge when we went down - but he didn't relegate us. It's semantics, but any fool can see that what relegated us was several years of profound mismanagement from the Board, and the only reason it didn't happen sooner was Gerry turning in a miracle by finding bloody Wardley and Darlington and turning them into Championship players.
I'd also say that Holloway had, despite the difficulties, a large wage budget for League One and arguably we should've done better in his second full season, and should arguably have got promotion with much more to spare than we did in his third.
BUT, I would also say that those three years or so were utterly incredible to be a QPR fan. It was one of the very few times in the last 30 years when fans, players, board and management were on the same page (however briefly). Anyone who was there felt like they not only 'knew' the manager, but the players, the owners, (Bill Power briefly became an acquaintance of mine, for example), the guy who did the videos (Billy Rice) and even the bloody physio (we all loved Prav).
Whatever you might say about his shortcomings, it was Ollie who brought that all together - it might have happened anyway without, say, Gallen or Palmer or Power or whoever - but without Ollie, that would never have happened. It was truly, truly special. Football doesn't always have to be measured by results - nor should it, actually, despite us always being told it's a results business.
Anyone who packed into the pub to see Stan compliment Langers, or went to Plymouth to watch us lose 2-0 or watched Chris Day cook food in his kitchen on QPR player will understand what I mean by that. In retrospect, losing in Cardiff doesn't dull the memory, at least for me, of that night v Oldham. The greatest atmosphere EVER.
So there. |
Gawd that Wimbledon 5-0 game - the bstard PA bloke playing Hawaii 5-0 over the tannoy. Francis was gone after that.
The game before that we managed our one and only away win at Gillingham, 1-0 via Kiwomya's backside. I always thought we had Holloway for that game, turns out not!
Anyway, read this and weep - good luck to anyone trying to turn around that lot.
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| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 13:13 - Jun 25 with 368 views | slmrstid |
| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 17:13 - Jun 24 by Antti_Heinola |
This is a fair-ish point to balance out the adulation, but my God that squad was the worst in living memory for me, and by a long, long way. And also by definition. Anyone who was at that Wimbledon game will remember just how bad things were. Redknapp had more than half a season and had more money to spend than any manager in our history to keep us up in the Prem, failed, and still gets less stick that Holloway on here from some posters (not saying you Nov).
Holloway was in charge when we went down - but he didn't relegate us. It's semantics, but any fool can see that what relegated us was several years of profound mismanagement from the Board, and the only reason it didn't happen sooner was Gerry turning in a miracle by finding bloody Wardley and Darlington and turning them into Championship players.
I'd also say that Holloway had, despite the difficulties, a large wage budget for League One and arguably we should've done better in his second full season, and should arguably have got promotion with much more to spare than we did in his third.
BUT, I would also say that those three years or so were utterly incredible to be a QPR fan. It was one of the very few times in the last 30 years when fans, players, board and management were on the same page (however briefly). Anyone who was there felt like they not only 'knew' the manager, but the players, the owners, (Bill Power briefly became an acquaintance of mine, for example), the guy who did the videos (Billy Rice) and even the bloody physio (we all loved Prav).
Whatever you might say about his shortcomings, it was Ollie who brought that all together - it might have happened anyway without, say, Gallen or Palmer or Power or whoever - but without Ollie, that would never have happened. It was truly, truly special. Football doesn't always have to be measured by results - nor should it, actually, despite us always being told it's a results business.
Anyone who packed into the pub to see Stan compliment Langers, or went to Plymouth to watch us lose 2-0 or watched Chris Day cook food in his kitchen on QPR player will understand what I mean by that. In retrospect, losing in Cardiff doesn't dull the memory, at least for me, of that night v Oldham. The greatest atmosphere EVER.
So there. |
I wish I could upvote this more than once Antti!
Sums up for me that era, Holloway was a wonderful manager for this club. He may well have lost his way a bit by the time he went in 2005/06, but we hardly did better without him (in fact, arguably, we were never as good as we were under Holloway until 2010/11 with Warnock - bar the Jan-May period of 2007-08 under Luigi De Canio perhaps - another manager I wish stayed longer).
There are some people, and Dave McIntyre seems to be one, who really love to kick down on Holloway's first spell in charge, particularly making narky comments about him having the biggest budget in the division.
Maybe he did, maybe he didn't, no-one really knows, but we were one of the biggest clubs in that league, so no wonder we had one of the biggest budgets by the end of our spell there! But despite that, having a budget means nothing - you still have to perform and do the job, and Holloway did that and delivered.
Just look at other big clubs who have gone into that league in the last 15 years, who also would have had the biggest budgets, who failed miserably for years and required several more years and managers than we did to get out again - Nottingham Forest (2005-08 - 2 managers + caretakers - same time period but more managers), Charlton (2009-2012 - 2 managers + caretakers), Sheffield United (2011-2017 - 5 managers + caretakers)....Ipswich (2019 to date) and Sunderland (2018 to date and 2 managers now?) currently showing its not particularly easy at all either. Plus the carcrash that was Coventry City over the last decade!
A wonderful manager for our club, and that 2000/1 showing was not Ollie's doing at all, those seeds were sown long, long before. And chances are, if we'd stayed up at that year, we probably would have gone down the following year with any manager in charge. That 2001/02 QPR side was nowhere near Championship quality (and no wonder, with a starting point of 6 players!) Going into League One for a confidence building year did the club far better in the long run, much as it hurt at the time. [Post edited 25 Jun 2020 13:15]
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| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 14:19 - Jun 25 with 323 views | Dorse |
| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 13:13 - Jun 25 by slmrstid |
I wish I could upvote this more than once Antti!
Sums up for me that era, Holloway was a wonderful manager for this club. He may well have lost his way a bit by the time he went in 2005/06, but we hardly did better without him (in fact, arguably, we were never as good as we were under Holloway until 2010/11 with Warnock - bar the Jan-May period of 2007-08 under Luigi De Canio perhaps - another manager I wish stayed longer).
There are some people, and Dave McIntyre seems to be one, who really love to kick down on Holloway's first spell in charge, particularly making narky comments about him having the biggest budget in the division.
Maybe he did, maybe he didn't, no-one really knows, but we were one of the biggest clubs in that league, so no wonder we had one of the biggest budgets by the end of our spell there! But despite that, having a budget means nothing - you still have to perform and do the job, and Holloway did that and delivered.
Just look at other big clubs who have gone into that league in the last 15 years, who also would have had the biggest budgets, who failed miserably for years and required several more years and managers than we did to get out again - Nottingham Forest (2005-08 - 2 managers + caretakers - same time period but more managers), Charlton (2009-2012 - 2 managers + caretakers), Sheffield United (2011-2017 - 5 managers + caretakers)....Ipswich (2019 to date) and Sunderland (2018 to date and 2 managers now?) currently showing its not particularly easy at all either. Plus the carcrash that was Coventry City over the last decade!
A wonderful manager for our club, and that 2000/1 showing was not Ollie's doing at all, those seeds were sown long, long before. And chances are, if we'd stayed up at that year, we probably would have gone down the following year with any manager in charge. That 2001/02 QPR side was nowhere near Championship quality (and no wonder, with a starting point of 6 players!) Going into League One for a confidence building year did the club far better in the long run, much as it hurt at the time. [Post edited 25 Jun 2020 13:15]
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That was (and to some extent still is) my faourite era to be a QPR fan. Everyone's contribution counted. I remember reading at the time about Joe Hylton's unscheduled visit to the training ground and Ollie's '3 Lists': from the outside looking in, the club looked like it was in a state of undefcukability. And yet we still eventually made it out of that shitshow and back into the top flight (an entirely different shitshow).
Where we are now has a similar feeling to it, although there are vast differences in circumstances. The club is outwardly focused (Grenfell, QPR in the Community etc), the players we have seem to 'get' the club, people are on board with the mid to long term plan (develop a player / sell a player / rinse and repeat) and there is a positive vibe about the place. A sort of 'we know we're funny to you but it makes sense to us' feeling. Can't really articulate it. Warbs 'Warby' Warburton is a big part of it too: he seems to understand what we're about in a way that, say, JFH or Barry Redchapp never did. |  |
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