| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro 10:03 - Jun 23 with 4475 views | Northernr |
I said to Sharon... |  | | |  |
| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 20:59 - Jun 23 with 1236 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 17:38 - Jun 23 by Antti_Heinola |
affectionate banter. Most other clubs despise him, but for once i'm with paulparker.
Couldn't get much further away from Cornwall up there.
He's desperate for 1500 games isn't he? |
What is he on now? |  | | |
| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 21:02 - Jun 23 with 1230 views | NorthLondonR |
| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 17:44 - Jun 23 by Nov77 |
So you would have to put him in front of 3 of the following, Stock, Jago, Sexton,
Venables, Jim Smith, Don Howe and Gerry (first time).
Much as I admired Warnock I don’t think I could put him any higher than eighth. |
He did take us from virtual relegation favourites to league champions in 15 months.. so surely that earns some credit? As much as I admire Smith and Howe, I think on achievement, Warnock trumps them... |  | | |
| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 21:35 - Jun 23 with 1184 views | Nov77 |
| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 21:02 - Jun 23 by NorthLondonR |
He did take us from virtual relegation favourites to league champions in 15 months.. so surely that earns some credit? As much as I admire Smith and Howe, I think on achievement, Warnock trumps them... |
Come off it, Smith got us to a league cup final and fifth place in the TOP flight |  |
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| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 21:48 - Jun 23 with 1169 views | NorthLondonR |
| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 21:35 - Jun 23 by Nov77 |
Come off it, Smith got us to a league cup final and fifth place in the TOP flight |
I'll grant you, Smith was a legend and manager when I was mascot and a thoroughly lovely guy. His achievements shouldn't be overlooked, but this modern phenomena of being on sides is a bit strange.. Warnock achieved an awful lot in completely different circumstances. He was a legend for us and not sure how he's not considered as such in some people's eyes. I think it is definitely my generation that started the "yeh he was good but because of...." the 'whataboutism' generation if you like. | | | |
| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 22:19 - Jun 23 with 1128 views | NorthantsHoop |
Warnock has achieved a lot, but does he really need the money and pressure at 71 years of age. I can see there is a buzz of being involved in top level football. But there surely comes a time in your life when you need to look at what you have achieved (family and career), and feel a certain amount of satisfaction and let it pass to the next generation. [Post edited 23 Jun 2020 22:21]
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| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 22:54 - Jun 23 with 1086 views | Lblock |
| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 17:44 - Jun 23 by Nov77 |
So you would have to put him in front of 3 of the following, Stock, Jago, Sexton,
Venables, Jim Smith, Don Howe and Gerry (first time).
Much as I admired Warnock I don’t think I could put him any higher than eighth. |
It's relative though isn't it?
For me King Neil walked into a total circus and one which was circling the gurgler.
Himself and Amit worked absolute miracles in that 16 month period and it's amazing that every club the man joins he has an instant impact at. His sidekick spoke to me at length at the POTY do that year and said "Neil might not be here for long but I guarantee you every club he leaves he leaves them in a better place than when he joins".
The job he did was immense and I think I'd have him top 5 as well plus I'd have Ollie Mk I in the top 5 with him.
Maybe that's because Jago and Sexton are before my time as a regular.
Good luck to him not that I think he'll need it. |  |
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| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 10:27 - Jun 24 with 943 views | TacticalR |
Yes, some things are hard to compare. Warnock had to deal with a lot of moving parts and a lot of madness.
At least the managers who worked under Jim Gregory had a chairman who knew something about football (not that that stopped him making mistakes). |  |
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| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 10:56 - Jun 24 with 916 views | CFW |
I have nothing but good things to say about him during his time with QPR but sorry there is a time to just walk away and put your feet up. Know when to go and unfortunately it is alway one job too many. |  | | |
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| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 10:59 - Jun 24 with 914 views | loftboy |
| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 17:44 - Jun 23 by Nov77 |
So you would have to put him in front of 3 of the following, Stock, Jago, Sexton,
Venables, Jim Smith, Don Howe and Gerry (first time).
Much as I admired Warnock I don’t think I could put him any higher than eighth. |
Definitely ahead of jim smith imho |  |
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| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 11:11 - Jun 24 with 899 views | Northernr |
| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 21:35 - Jun 23 by Nov77 |
Come off it, Smith got us to a league cup final and fifth place in the TOP flight |
Smith does seem massively underrated and rarely mentioned among our fan base. Presumably because of the way we lost to Oxford and how he left to Newcastle. Like you say, 5th, cup final, and signed some belting players. | | | |
| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 12:10 - Jun 24 with 844 views | Dorse |
| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 11:11 - Jun 24 by Northernr |
Smith does seem massively underrated and rarely mentioned among our fan base. Presumably because of the way we lost to Oxford and how he left to Newcastle. Like you say, 5th, cup final, and signed some belting players. |
There was no final that year.... No final.... |  |
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| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 12:20 - Jun 24 with 823 views | CamberleyR |
| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 11:11 - Jun 24 by Northernr |
Smith does seem massively underrated and rarely mentioned among our fan base. Presumably because of the way we lost to Oxford and how he left to Newcastle. Like you say, 5th, cup final, and signed some belting players. |
Yep, some great players. The manager who signed Les Ferdinand no less. Not sure how much part he'd have played in his scouting but he was the manager who ultimately signed him as a pro and was prepared to give him that chance. Seaman, Parker, Maddix, Dennis, Barker, Falco, Francis also signed on his watch.
His achievement of finishing fifth in the top division should not be underestimated particularly after how we finished that previous season where we were sinking like a brick and had the season lasted a couple more weeks we could well have been relegated. Only Venables or Sexton have equalled or bettered his league placing. |  |
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| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 12:43 - Jun 24 with 798 views | paulparker |
| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 17:44 - Jun 23 by Nov77 |
So you would have to put him in front of 3 of the following, Stock, Jago, Sexton,
Venables, Jim Smith, Don Howe and Gerry (first time).
Much as I admired Warnock I don’t think I could put him any higher than eighth. |
I love Don & Gerry & the football we played Under them but Warnock has to be above them only for the following
Won a trophy
Played sublime football
Limited budget
Had tango & cash on his case every day
Relegation candidates to champions
Got the best out of a player no one else has
For me the top 5 is
Sexton
Jago
El Tel
Warnock
Holloway |  |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
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| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 12:48 - Jun 24 with 786 views | paulparker |
| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 12:20 - Jun 24 by CamberleyR |
Yep, some great players. The manager who signed Les Ferdinand no less. Not sure how much part he'd have played in his scouting but he was the manager who ultimately signed him as a pro and was prepared to give him that chance. Seaman, Parker, Maddix, Dennis, Barker, Falco, Francis also signed on his watch.
His achievement of finishing fifth in the top division should not be underestimated particularly after how we finished that previous season where we were sinking like a brick and had the season lasted a couple more weeks we could well have been relegated. Only Venables or Sexton have equalled or bettered his league placing. |
Smith was good for us after the shambles that was Mullery & he did have a very good 87/88 campaign , I loved the sweeper system ( if only fenwick had stayed)
But the league form of 85/86, 86,87 were crap , with some horrendous football & away days | |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 14:44 - Jun 24 with 723 views | terryb |
| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 12:43 - Jun 24 by paulparker |
I love Don & Gerry & the football we played Under them but Warnock has to be above them only for the following
Won a trophy
Played sublime football
Limited budget
Had tango & cash on his case every day
Relegation candidates to champions
Got the best out of a player no one else has
For me the top 5 is
Sexton
Jago
El Tel
Warnock
Holloway |
I suspect that he was before your time, but Holloway above Alec Stock?
Yes, Holloway had to build us from nothing, but Rangers had finished in the bottom half of the first Division Three league table when he took over. A Legue Cup win, two promotions with Rangers, promotion with Luton & an FA Cup final with Fulham puts him in my 4th place.
On the other hand, he didn't manage at the top level & Smith, Howe & Francis had far more sucess at the top than Warnock & Holloway.
I think Jago, Venables & Sexton are unbeatable at the top but ask six of us & you will get six different variations of the 1/2/3's!
Below those three the order would be very subjective & our own age & when we watched Rangers will probably be decisive.
I seldom saw us between 1984 & 2003 (except at Ipswich or live on television) & so I don't feel qualified to comment on that period! | | | |
| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 14:55 - Jun 24 with 708 views | Nov77 |
| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 12:43 - Jun 24 by paulparker |
I love Don & Gerry & the football we played Under them but Warnock has to be above them only for the following
Won a trophy
Played sublime football
Limited budget
Had tango & cash on his case every day
Relegation candidates to champions
Got the best out of a player no one else has
For me the top 5 is
Sexton
Jago
El Tel
Warnock
Holloway |
Holloway top 5?
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| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 14:58 - Jun 24 with 703 views | paulparker |
| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 14:44 - Jun 24 by terryb |
I suspect that he was before your time, but Holloway above Alec Stock?
Yes, Holloway had to build us from nothing, but Rangers had finished in the bottom half of the first Division Three league table when he took over. A Legue Cup win, two promotions with Rangers, promotion with Luton & an FA Cup final with Fulham puts him in my 4th place.
On the other hand, he didn't manage at the top level & Smith, Howe & Francis had far more sucess at the top than Warnock & Holloway.
I think Jago, Venables & Sexton are unbeatable at the top but ask six of us & you will get six different variations of the 1/2/3's!
Below those three the order would be very subjective & our own age & when we watched Rangers will probably be decisive.
I seldom saw us between 1984 & 2003 (except at Ipswich or live on television) & so I don't feel qualified to comment on that period! |
Fair dos on Stock should have included him
Don’t get me wrong I loved the Howe & Gerry years but we never did anything in the cups (what’s new) but those sides should have done a lot better in the cup competitions than the Quarter finals of 1990 , such a shame we didn’t get into Europe because I think we could of seen the best of those teams and coaches | |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 15:18 - Jun 24 with 676 views | Lblock |
| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 14:55 - Jun 24 by Nov77 |
Holloway top 5?
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Possibly top 3 for me.
Took a carcass of a circus and breathed new life into it.
Was the focal point of re-bonding the club and fans.
I loved those two seasons "down there" bar the Play Off Final hurt. Immense years.
Relative. It's all relative. | |
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| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 15:50 - Jun 24 with 626 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 12:43 - Jun 24 by paulparker |
I love Don & Gerry & the football we played Under them but Warnock has to be above them only for the following
Won a trophy
Played sublime football
Limited budget
Had tango & cash on his case every day
Relegation candidates to champions
Got the best out of a player no one else has
For me the top 5 is
Sexton
Jago
El Tel
Warnock
Holloway |
Cracking conversation, this. My thoughts:-
Warnock did a superb job.
Howe and Francis (Mark 1) were top flight, so winning a trophy was harder.
I thought the football was superb under Howe. Francis also, though he went long-ball if we hit a small skid in form.
I'm going to try this. It's not easy.
Stock - Only major honour plus one League and another promotion
Sexton - best side ever, highest league finish
Venables - One League, one FA Cup Final appearance, qualified for Europe
Jago - major player in building our best ever side
Howe - superb football, set us up for a decade of top flight football, set up team for...
Francis - Qualified for Europe, some great results, left us in strange circumstances
Warnock - 1 League title (from relegation candidates) but struggled in top flight
Holloway - Saved the club in first spell, 1 Promotion, did well in second spell
The Others. |  |
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| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 15:55 - Jun 24 with 614 views | MickS |
| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 15:18 - Jun 24 by Lblock |
Possibly top 3 for me.
Took a carcass of a circus and breathed new life into it.
Was the focal point of re-bonding the club and fans.
I loved those two seasons "down there" bar the Play Off Final hurt. Immense years.
Relative. It's all relative. |
My favourite time ever at Rangers. It was unmissable - the vibe around the club and in the area was just tremendous. We had fans from other London clubs with our little gang every home game. | | | |
| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 16:00 - Jun 24 with 602 views | Nov77 |
| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 15:50 - Jun 24 by BrianMcCarthy |
Cracking conversation, this. My thoughts:-
Warnock did a superb job.
Howe and Francis (Mark 1) were top flight, so winning a trophy was harder.
I thought the football was superb under Howe. Francis also, though he went long-ball if we hit a small skid in form.
I'm going to try this. It's not easy.
Stock - Only major honour plus one League and another promotion
Sexton - best side ever, highest league finish
Venables - One League, one FA Cup Final appearance, qualified for Europe
Jago - major player in building our best ever side
Howe - superb football, set us up for a decade of top flight football, set up team for...
Francis - Qualified for Europe, some great results, left us in strange circumstances
Warnock - 1 League title (from relegation candidates) but struggled in top flight
Holloway - Saved the club in first spell, 1 Promotion, did well in second spell
The Others. |
Holloway also relegated us in the first place, why is that always left out? when he took over we had 13 games left and were outside the relegation places, he won ONE game out of that 13, Tony Incenzo could have done that. other teams get a new manager bounce, we had a new manager splat.
You left out Smith, not sure if you meant to, but don't forget we qualified for Europe under him too, only reason we didn't play is because English clubs were banned at the time. | |
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| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 16:03 - Jun 24 with 591 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 16:00 - Jun 24 by Nov77 |
Holloway also relegated us in the first place, why is that always left out? when he took over we had 13 games left and were outside the relegation places, he won ONE game out of that 13, Tony Incenzo could have done that. other teams get a new manager bounce, we had a new manager splat.
You left out Smith, not sure if you meant to, but don't forget we qualified for Europe under him too, only reason we didn't play is because English clubs were banned at the time. |
Holloway - fair point, definitely, but we were in a bad way at the time.
Smith - he would probably be next. Finishing fifth in 87/88 was quality but I thought that 85/86 and 86/87 were poor years where we played a lot of weak football, particularly away from home. And he did get us to Wembley but his horror show surrounding and on the day of the Final almost totally negates that achievement, I feel.
Still, he is probably next. | |
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| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 17:13 - Jun 24 with 545 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 16:00 - Jun 24 by Nov77 |
Holloway also relegated us in the first place, why is that always left out? when he took over we had 13 games left and were outside the relegation places, he won ONE game out of that 13, Tony Incenzo could have done that. other teams get a new manager bounce, we had a new manager splat.
You left out Smith, not sure if you meant to, but don't forget we qualified for Europe under him too, only reason we didn't play is because English clubs were banned at the time. |
This is a fair-ish point to balance out the adulation, but my God that squad was the worst in living memory for me, and by a long, long way. And also by definition. Anyone who was at that Wimbledon game will remember just how bad things were. Redknapp had more than half a season and had more money to spend than any manager in our history to keep us up in the Prem, failed, and still gets less stick that Holloway on here from some posters (not saying you Nov).
Holloway was in charge when we went down - but he didn't relegate us. It's semantics, but any fool can see that what relegated us was several years of profound mismanagement from the Board, and the only reason it didn't happen sooner was Gerry turning in a miracle by finding bloody Wardley and Darlington and turning them into Championship players.
I'd also say that Holloway had, despite the difficulties, a large wage budget for League One and arguably we should've done better in his second full season, and should arguably have got promotion with much more to spare than we did in his third.
BUT, I would also say that those three years or so were utterly incredible to be a QPR fan. It was one of the very few times in the last 30 years when fans, players, board and management were on the same page (however briefly). Anyone who was there felt like they not only 'knew' the manager, but the players, the owners, (Bill Power briefly became an acquaintance of mine, for example), the guy who did the videos (Billy Rice) and even the bloody physio (we all loved Prav).
Whatever you might say about his shortcomings, it was Ollie who brought that all together - it might have happened anyway without, say, Gallen or Palmer or Power or whoever - but without Ollie, that would never have happened. It was truly, truly special. Football doesn't always have to be measured by results - nor should it, actually, despite us always being told it's a results business.
Anyone who packed into the pub to see Stan compliment Langers, or went to Plymouth to watch us lose 2-0 or watched Chris Day cook food in his kitchen on QPR player will understand what I mean by that. In retrospect, losing in Cardiff doesn't dull the memory, at least for me, of that night v Oldham. The greatest atmosphere EVER.
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| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 19:14 - Jun 24 with 491 views | paulparker |
| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 14:55 - Jun 24 by Nov77 |
Holloway top 5?
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Short memory re Holloway | |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 19:21 - Jun 24 with 480 views | paulparker |
| Woodgate out, Warnock in at Boro on 16:00 - Jun 24 by Nov77 |
Holloway also relegated us in the first place, why is that always left out? when he took over we had 13 games left and were outside the relegation places, he won ONE game out of that 13, Tony Incenzo could have done that. other teams get a new manager bounce, we had a new manager splat.
You left out Smith, not sure if you meant to, but don't forget we qualified for Europe under him too, only reason we didn't play is because English clubs were banned at the time. |
Jesus , Holloway never relegated us, not even pep with Klopp as his number 2 could of saved us with that sh1t show of a squad
Gerry lost the fight , we lost Carlisle & Langley and Chris Wright was skint and trying to get rid of the club to Pete winkleman , oh and we were heading for Admin , I seem to recall no one wanting the job even graham Rix turned us down
But yeah your right tony Incenzo would of kept us up | |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
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