| Familiar refereeing complaints struggle to mask QPR shortcomings — Report on 12:23 - Dec 29 with 1192 views | Hooping_Mad |
| Familiar refereeing complaints struggle to mask QPR shortcomings — Report on 11:48 - Dec 29 by gazza1 |
I believe that MW allows the medical teams to dictate what should & should not be done with players returning from injury.....MW would generally agree the way forward with them prior to the match but this could change depending on the game and how it is going.
We do not know the extent of the injuries, nor do we know MW game plan.
So, maybe the agreement was that Wallace would have around 60/70 minutes (whether we are winning, loosing or drawing) as part of his rehabilitation/fitness otherwise there could be further problems. Re Albert, perhaps the plan was to give him 20 minutes at the end to get him started in first team action.
Basically, none of us really know wtf the plans are or anything in real proper details.
I agree, though, that I would have liked to see Albert earlier but the picture is much bigger that one match. |
Pro's and Con's of having a smaller squad.
What worries is that it's only December. |  |
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| Familiar refereeing complaints struggle to mask QPR shortcomings — Report on 14:21 - Dec 29 with 1045 views | R_from_afar |
Thanks for another insightful and entertaining report 
The Cherries deserved their win and missed some great chances to extend their lead, but I was encouraged by the fact that although we were clearly rusty and struggling to cope with superior opponents, we still gave it a right good go at the end. We managed to exert sustained pressure even if we didn't have enough quality to create many decent chances.
The Felix and Aurelia video was touching, thanks for posting that and hats off to the club for arranging that moment. Yet more evidence of why QPR is a club to be proud of these days  |  |
| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| Familiar refereeing complaints struggle to mask QPR shortcomings — Report on 14:24 - Dec 29 with 1042 views | QPR_Jim |
| Familiar refereeing complaints struggle to mask QPR shortcomings — Report on 22:28 - Dec 28 by daveB |
excellent report as ever although disagree on the penalty appeal on Johanssen, that's a foul anywhere else on the pitch. At the other end he'd give a penalty. They were lucky to get away with a player trying to punch the ball off Dickies head as well but he just missed it |
Yeah that was annoying, even though he didn't make contact he was waving his arm around in Dickies face putting him off. |  | | |
| Familiar refereeing complaints struggle to mask QPR shortcomings — Report on 14:33 - Dec 29 with 1037 views | QPR_Jim |
| Familiar refereeing complaints struggle to mask QPR shortcomings — Report on 11:28 - Dec 29 by PinnerPaul |
That's a fair point about the amount of melees that happen in his games.
In this one I thought he did what he could about their antics.
He refused treatment for at least two players and as we've discussed before that is a brave/dangerous/foolish precedent to set.
You would agree, I hope, that players have to take responsibility for their behaviour - as we've discussed Mr Cahill showed you can win, play well and not be a complete a*** at the same time! |
I'm not sure he did all he could. Cahill goes unpunished on the half way line for a push on Dykes, he then takes a dive and gets a free kick when he's clearly been beaten. He allows Lerma to roll around on the floor play acting, I'm sure there's many more examples, SJ looked bemused quite a lot and others besides him too. So after all that why wouldn't Solanke think he could just roll around on the floor to waste time and why should our players have to continually prove they've not fouled a player that's taken a dive. | | | |
| Familiar refereeing complaints struggle to mask QPR shortcomings — Report on 14:44 - Dec 29 with 1015 views | bosh67 |
Referee — Keith Stroud (Hampshire) 4 My left bollock with a smiley face drawn on it would do a better job than this danger.
Quote of the season. 
Your right bollock with a sad face drawn on it would stand a fair crack at this I reckon.
On another note, lovely to see Felix ring that free of cancer bell. Very emotional and delighted for him and his family. |  |
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| Familiar refereeing complaints struggle to mask QPR shortcomings — Report on 14:45 - Dec 29 with 1012 views | Northernr |
| Familiar refereeing complaints struggle to mask QPR shortcomings — Report on 14:33 - Dec 29 by QPR_Jim |
I'm not sure he did all he could. Cahill goes unpunished on the half way line for a push on Dykes, he then takes a dive and gets a free kick when he's clearly been beaten. He allows Lerma to roll around on the floor play acting, I'm sure there's many more examples, SJ looked bemused quite a lot and others besides him too. So after all that why wouldn't Solanke think he could just roll around on the floor to waste time and why should our players have to continually prove they've not fouled a player that's taken a dive. |
I'm with you mate, obviously.
There's an incident in the first half where Cahill has Dykes round the shoulders with two hands, pulls him away from the as it approaches and dumps him off to the left, which Stroud waves away from ten feet away because 'it's a physical game mate get on with it'. Ok, fine, I think it's a foul but if it's going to be like that then fine. Two seconds later Cahill himself then hits the deck under nothing at all, a very obvious dive, and that one is a free kick.
It's inconsistency and unfairness. Lerma goes around doing as he pleases all game, never even gets spoken to, Field gets a yellow and gets three fingers wagged in his face. He seems to take against some players, while others can do no wrong. In the first game at theirs he booked Zemura (I think) after nine minutes for repetitive fouling, like Field, which I felt at the time was very harsh, and then for the rest of the game does nothing about several other players also committing multiple offences. You can't have one rule for one and one for another, it winds people up.
As I say in the report I also think this constant bloody rigmarole we have to go through at every restart, delaying the game further, frustrating the players further. His patronising mannerisms, the hand puppet theatre that some wnky management course has obviously told him is a way to assert authority when you're two feet tall. It just winds people up.
It all contributes to just driving people up the wall and you end up with what you got in injury time, which is a player rolling around and feigning injury because the referee has rewarded them for that before, a player getting frustrated and trying to deal with it himself because the referee hasn't been doing so, and everybody rushing in trying to settle grievances.
Most Stroud games you go to end up like that. The away game did, exactly the same, just a big melee, a big farce, chaos, a shower of cards. If it was the odd occasion maybe I'd go along with Pinner's latest stout defence of his man, but it's not. Barnsley away descended into a melee, Bournemouth away on more than one occasion, now this one. He cannot control games at this level.
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| Familiar refereeing complaints struggle to mask QPR shortcomings — Report on 14:48 - Dec 29 with 1009 views | PinnerPaul |
| Familiar refereeing complaints struggle to mask QPR shortcomings — Report on 11:38 - Dec 29 by gazza1 |
I would suggest that the players 'lost control' at the end and not Stroud...... |
Agree 100% - never have and never will understand how the referee gets blamed for that and others just like it. | | | |
| Familiar refereeing complaints struggle to mask QPR shortcomings — Report on 14:48 - Dec 29 with 1008 views | Northernr |
| Familiar refereeing complaints struggle to mask QPR shortcomings — Report on 14:48 - Dec 29 by PinnerPaul |
Agree 100% - never have and never will understand how the referee gets blamed for that and others just like it. |
So it's just a wild coincidence that it happens so much in his games? | | | |
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| Familiar refereeing complaints struggle to mask QPR shortcomings — Report on 14:51 - Dec 29 with 1003 views | PinnerPaul |
| Familiar refereeing complaints struggle to mask QPR shortcomings — Report on 11:48 - Dec 29 by gazza1 |
I believe that MW allows the medical teams to dictate what should & should not be done with players returning from injury.....MW would generally agree the way forward with them prior to the match but this could change depending on the game and how it is going.
We do not know the extent of the injuries, nor do we know MW game plan.
So, maybe the agreement was that Wallace would have around 60/70 minutes (whether we are winning, loosing or drawing) as part of his rehabilitation/fitness otherwise there could be further problems. Re Albert, perhaps the plan was to give him 20 minutes at the end to get him started in first team action.
Basically, none of us really know wtf the plans are or anything in real proper details.
I agree, though, that I would have liked to see Albert earlier but the picture is much bigger that one match. |
Agree again!
Of course throw Covid into the mix and we don't know who has had it, who had symptoms, how bad, or how long each individual has trained.
Personally I was surprised Amos didn't get any minutes - I would have started him personally, but there could be health/fitness reasons why he remained on the bench. | | | |
| Familiar refereeing complaints struggle to mask QPR shortcomings — Report on 14:55 - Dec 29 with 993 views | PinnerPaul |
| Familiar refereeing complaints struggle to mask QPR shortcomings — Report on 14:33 - Dec 29 by QPR_Jim |
I'm not sure he did all he could. Cahill goes unpunished on the half way line for a push on Dykes, he then takes a dive and gets a free kick when he's clearly been beaten. He allows Lerma to roll around on the floor play acting, I'm sure there's many more examples, SJ looked bemused quite a lot and others besides him too. So after all that why wouldn't Solanke think he could just roll around on the floor to waste time and why should our players have to continually prove they've not fouled a player that's taken a dive. |
How does any of that justify a 20 man push and shove session, let alone lay the blame at his door.
Even if he gets a decision or two wrong, like the players btw, how does that justify the melee and particular Dozzell already on a yellow getting involved in something that was nothing to do with him - that of course applies to all the players outside Barbet and Solanke.
But yeah, all that is Stroud's fault - I'm with Gazza on this one, it wasn't the referee who lost control. | | | |
| Familiar refereeing complaints struggle to mask QPR shortcomings — Report on 14:57 - Dec 29 with 989 views | PinnerPaul |
| Familiar refereeing complaints struggle to mask QPR shortcomings — Report on 14:48 - Dec 29 by Northernr |
So it's just a wild coincidence that it happens so much in his games? |
As I said to Derby, yeah, that's a fair point but see my post just written above, it was the players who lost it here, with very little provocation and no justification whatsoever. | | | |
| Familiar refereeing complaints struggle to mask QPR shortcomings — Report on 14:58 - Dec 29 with 987 views | Northernr |
| Familiar refereeing complaints struggle to mask QPR shortcomings — Report on 14:55 - Dec 29 by PinnerPaul |
How does any of that justify a 20 man push and shove session, let alone lay the blame at his door.
Even if he gets a decision or two wrong, like the players btw, how does that justify the melee and particular Dozzell already on a yellow getting involved in something that was nothing to do with him - that of course applies to all the players outside Barbet and Solanke.
But yeah, all that is Stroud's fault - I'm with Gazza on this one, it wasn't the referee who lost control. |
Is it not also true that the other referees on the referees' own message board consider him to be, paraphrasing, a bit crap? | | | |
| Familiar refereeing complaints struggle to mask QPR shortcomings — Report on 15:03 - Dec 29 with 975 views | PinnerPaul |
| Familiar refereeing complaints struggle to mask QPR shortcomings — Report on 14:58 - Dec 29 by Northernr |
Is it not also true that the other referees on the referees' own message board consider him to be, paraphrasing, a bit crap? |
If you mean RefChat, that's an emphatic no!
I can count on one hand the number of mentions he gets and always tongue in cheek and respectful, unlike on here.
Don't want to fall out over this, but I'm getting tired both in the ground and on here with the obsession with the bloke.
Hidden numerous threads when it all gets a bit tedious, I'm getting bored with myself over posting the same things, sure others must feel the same, so can we leave it there now please?
Thanks | | | |
| Familiar refereeing complaints struggle to mask QPR shortcomings — Report on 15:19 - Dec 29 with 954 views | QPR_Jim |
| Familiar refereeing complaints struggle to mask QPR shortcomings — Report on 14:55 - Dec 29 by PinnerPaul |
How does any of that justify a 20 man push and shove session, let alone lay the blame at his door.
Even if he gets a decision or two wrong, like the players btw, how does that justify the melee and particular Dozzell already on a yellow getting involved in something that was nothing to do with him - that of course applies to all the players outside Barbet and Solanke.
But yeah, all that is Stroud's fault - I'm with Gazza on this one, it wasn't the referee who lost control. |
Sure the provocation doesn't justify the reaction but it doesn't cover the one provoking the incident in glory either.
Could it have been avoided with more consistency from the ref? Probably. Should he look at how he's contributed to the situation? Absolutely.
I'm not equating the two either, we both lost a football match and had a poor ref, the two aren't mutually exclusive. | | | |
| Familiar refereeing complaints struggle to mask QPR shortcomings — Report on 15:19 - Dec 29 with 954 views | Northernr |
| Familiar refereeing complaints struggle to mask QPR shortcomings — Report on 15:03 - Dec 29 by PinnerPaul |
If you mean RefChat, that's an emphatic no!
I can count on one hand the number of mentions he gets and always tongue in cheek and respectful, unlike on here.
Don't want to fall out over this, but I'm getting tired both in the ground and on here with the obsession with the bloke.
Hidden numerous threads when it all gets a bit tedious, I'm getting bored with myself over posting the same things, sure others must feel the same, so can we leave it there now please?
Thanks |
Hmm, that is not what I recall you saying previously (re Refchat) but look, it's only a message board, it's only football, it's just opinions and fun going back and forth, and I'm not going to fall out with anybody about it.
I just think that in the same way people are perhaps guilty of going 'oh no fcking Stroud again' going in with the preconceived idea he's going to shaft us and then fitting the narrative to the event (which is definitely a thing BTW, I agree with you and Gazza on that), you are also guilty at times of defending the indefensible with referees, or at least giving benefit of the doubt in a way you don't afford to, say, the manager's comments before/after games.
But, I agree, it's probably best we move on. The team and the manager need to as well because we're going to have him refereeing us again, no doubt soon as we get him all the time, and we need to be focused on the game and ourselves in that, not getting all tangled up in conspiracy and bitterness, which I think we perhaps did towards the end of the Bournemouth game.
Luckily, there's another game tomorrow, so we can talk about something else then :-D | | | |
| Familiar refereeing complaints struggle to mask QPR shortcomings — Report on 15:26 - Dec 29 with 945 views | PinnerPaul |
| Familiar refereeing complaints struggle to mask QPR shortcomings — Report on 15:19 - Dec 29 by Northernr |
Hmm, that is not what I recall you saying previously (re Refchat) but look, it's only a message board, it's only football, it's just opinions and fun going back and forth, and I'm not going to fall out with anybody about it.
I just think that in the same way people are perhaps guilty of going 'oh no fcking Stroud again' going in with the preconceived idea he's going to shaft us and then fitting the narrative to the event (which is definitely a thing BTW, I agree with you and Gazza on that), you are also guilty at times of defending the indefensible with referees, or at least giving benefit of the doubt in a way you don't afford to, say, the manager's comments before/after games.
But, I agree, it's probably best we move on. The team and the manager need to as well because we're going to have him refereeing us again, no doubt soon as we get him all the time, and we need to be focused on the game and ourselves in that, not getting all tangled up in conspiracy and bitterness, which I think we perhaps did towards the end of the Bournemouth game.
Luckily, there's another game tomorrow, so we can talk about something else then :-D |
I will never defend the indefensible, I'm not Rumpole of the Bailey! 
The two big ones I've called out and STILL can't excuse are the non sending off at Brentford and the Sunderland offside - its the delay on the latter which really IS indefensible!
Rest of it is all fair comment.
Lets hope we can argue over whether we deserved to win by more tomorrow or something equally less controversial! | | | |
| Familiar refereeing complaints struggle to mask QPR shortcomings — Report on 15:39 - Dec 29 with 912 views | PinnerPaul |
| Familiar refereeing complaints struggle to mask QPR shortcomings — Report on 15:19 - Dec 29 by QPR_Jim |
Sure the provocation doesn't justify the reaction but it doesn't cover the one provoking the incident in glory either.
Could it have been avoided with more consistency from the ref? Probably. Should he look at how he's contributed to the situation? Absolutely.
I'm not equating the two either, we both lost a football match and had a poor ref, the two aren't mutually exclusive. |
Last part, I agree, & no one (tbf) has blamed Stroud for the defeat.
There are some rare instances of mass con when maybe a referee hasn't reacted quick enough to a situation, but here Solanke is being an idiot and wasting time, a split second later Barbet tries to drag him to his feet and then you have players running in from all over to join in - and he 'provoked' all that?
Sorry, we'll just have to agree to disagree on that now I think. | | | |
| Familiar refereeing complaints struggle to mask QPR shortcomings — Report on 15:40 - Dec 29 with 902 views | gazza1 |
| Familiar refereeing complaints struggle to mask QPR shortcomings — Report on 15:19 - Dec 29 by Northernr |
Hmm, that is not what I recall you saying previously (re Refchat) but look, it's only a message board, it's only football, it's just opinions and fun going back and forth, and I'm not going to fall out with anybody about it.
I just think that in the same way people are perhaps guilty of going 'oh no fcking Stroud again' going in with the preconceived idea he's going to shaft us and then fitting the narrative to the event (which is definitely a thing BTW, I agree with you and Gazza on that), you are also guilty at times of defending the indefensible with referees, or at least giving benefit of the doubt in a way you don't afford to, say, the manager's comments before/after games.
But, I agree, it's probably best we move on. The team and the manager need to as well because we're going to have him refereeing us again, no doubt soon as we get him all the time, and we need to be focused on the game and ourselves in that, not getting all tangled up in conspiracy and bitterness, which I think we perhaps did towards the end of the Bournemouth game.
Luckily, there's another game tomorrow, so we can talk about something else then :-D |
I thought you were a 'proper madman' on Monday Norf, proper  .....Gazza, well Gazza, Come on Gazza  .
The man sitting next to you looked well out of it!!! He not normally like that  | | | |
| Familiar refereeing complaints struggle to mask QPR shortcomings — Report on 15:57 - Dec 29 with 884 views | Northernr |
| Familiar refereeing complaints struggle to mask QPR shortcomings — Report on 15:40 - Dec 29 by gazza1 |
I thought you were a 'proper madman' on Monday Norf, proper .....Gazza, well Gazza, Come on Gazza .
The man sitting next to you looked well out of it!!! He not normally like that |
Yeh I was fcking fuming mate, sorry. Really got to me. All part of the fun I guess. That's what I tell myself anyway.
I was also genuinely interested what you thought, and whether it was just me, because I do admit I hate the horrible little fcker.
You'd look like Andy too if you'd spent as much time over Christmas driving in laws around 
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| Familiar refereeing complaints struggle to mask QPR shortcomings — Report on 16:21 - Dec 29 with 832 views | gazza1 |
| Familiar refereeing complaints struggle to mask QPR shortcomings — Report on 15:57 - Dec 29 by Northernr |
Yeh I was fcking fuming mate, sorry. Really got to me. All part of the fun I guess. That's what I tell myself anyway.
I was also genuinely interested what you thought, and whether it was just me, because I do admit I hate the horrible little fcker.
You'd look like Andy too if you'd spent as much time over Christmas driving in laws around
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Talking generally, I am not a fan of any refs tbh, most are all on a different planet, know the rules but do not understand playing football and how passionate everybody gets and how frustrating it is. They are a bit of a different bred - I have been in trouble with many of them. Problem is - we are fooked without them. Q - PP!!!
Re Stroud, he isn't great, as bad as most think? - not so sure. I know you hate him, it shone through & through!!!
My concerns from the game is our performance - going forward we were very limited. We could have lost 5 - 0!!! We didn't, so good news. Most important person in the camp now is MW, expectancy is high everywhere you look at the R's, supporters, the board, the players, the lot. Hopefully a few days together will harmonise them into a 'proper' performance going forward at Bristol - enjoy. [Post edited 29 Dec 2021 16:39]
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| Familiar refereeing complaints struggle to mask QPR shortcomings — Report on 16:37 - Dec 29 with 816 views | QPR_Jim |
| Familiar refereeing complaints struggle to mask QPR shortcomings — Report on 15:39 - Dec 29 by PinnerPaul |
Last part, I agree, & no one (tbf) has blamed Stroud for the defeat.
There are some rare instances of mass con when maybe a referee hasn't reacted quick enough to a situation, but here Solanke is being an idiot and wasting time, a split second later Barbet tries to drag him to his feet and then you have players running in from all over to join in - and he 'provoked' all that?
Sorry, we'll just have to agree to disagree on that now I think. |
I meant that he provoked it over the 90min with his decisions and inconsistency. Perhaps provoke is the wrong word, maybe permitting would be better in regards to allow the Bournemouth players to roll around on the floor to delay things. Why does Solanke think it's acceptable to drop to the floor like that under no contact, because Lerma did it and got a free kick of SJ.
Anyway, it's in the past now and as I think you mentioned in a previous post, there's nothing to be gained from dwelling on it so like you say we'll have to agree to disagree. | | | |
| Familiar refereeing complaints struggle to mask QPR shortcomings — Report on 16:46 - Dec 29 with 804 views | PinnerPaul |
On a general refereeing point, there are clearly not enough referees at all levels, including the top.
Interesting discussion on RefChat referencing the number of games the top European referees do in a season compared to ours and there is no comparison, they do far far less, which means ours are more likely to be mentally/physically not at their best.
Unlike 'off form' players there just aren't the numbers (exacerbated by VAR) to allow referees 'holidays' - whether that be for personal reasons, health/fitness and yes dropping below the standard required.
Lack of referees is a problem, that many of you will have experienced, at lower levels, where the issues are the behaviour of grassroots players/managers and the commitment required once you get a few rungs up the ladder v career/family, as well as the 'reset' that has taken place for many people in many areas because of you know what.
Level 4 gets you on to semi professional middles and the good leagues as an AR, but the commitment required and the pretty paltry fees (compared to those even I get) means that many can't get above level 5, let alone progress towards a professional career.
Don't have an answer unfortunately! | | | |
| Familiar refereeing complaints struggle to mask QPR shortcomings — Report on 17:29 - Dec 29 with 747 views | Northernr |
Well this should settle things down 
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| Familiar refereeing complaints struggle to mask QPR shortcomings — Report on 17:31 - Dec 29 with 745 views | PinnerPaul |
| Familiar refereeing complaints struggle to mask QPR shortcomings — Report on 14:58 - Dec 29 by Northernr |
Is it not also true that the other referees on the referees' own message board consider him to be, paraphrasing, a bit crap? |
Always try to be fair and here's what I posted on here - so, luckily  we're both right.
"Indeed - probably the most negative comments (and there are not that many, as you would expect) of any 'top' referee on RefChat."
Final note - none of the 'negative comments' compare to most on here!
Its very civilised over there! | | | |
| Familiar refereeing complaints struggle to mask QPR shortcomings — Report on 17:36 - Dec 29 with 737 views | PinnerPaul |
As someone else correctly predicted both ourselves and Bournemouth charged.
From offy "It is alleged that both clubs failed to ensure their players conducted themselves in an orderly fashion and/or refrained from provocative behaviour during the 95th minute of the fixture."
Expect a fine for both I would say. | | | |
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