| You gotta wonder... 16:51 - Nov 28 with 4649 views | RangersDave |
Who in their right mind see's GR as a step up?
I mean ok, crowd wise, but all the crap that comes with that team?
Also, who wants to visit the same clubs umpteenth times a season and beat a league of 'also rans' every blinking season?
I mean if that is the total of MB's ambition, then good riddance, when he could, possibly, be a premiership manager next season, if he had realised that the wastelands north of mighty Hadrians Wall were not for him. Foolish boy. |  |
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| You gotta wonder... on 20:33 - Nov 28 with 1233 views | TGRRRSSS |
So they are 14th then.
Only 3 above are not EUROPEAN.
Championship is 9th if you take out the non European ones above as opposed to 11th.
Rangers and Celtic are massive clubs and if they ever get to move it'll be different as they would be sought after assets you'd think.
But they aren't right now.
Another 10 years I wonder..... |  | | |
| You gotta wonder... on 20:46 - Nov 28 with 1193 views | JimmyR |
| You gotta wonder... on 18:19 - Nov 28 by HuckerMOTM |
Mate, he's Catholic...
I'm genuinely from a Celtic family and everyone in the family would say you're talking nonsense if you don't think they are more famous for their football endeavours.... |
Is he?
Even weirder not to take the wolves job then |  | | |
| You gotta wonder... on 21:16 - Nov 28 with 1134 views | ngbqpr |
| You gotta wonder... on 20:03 - Nov 28 by HuckerMOTM |
I've always said that it's best to be honest about QPR and acknowledge what we are: a small-medium sized club with little chance of success before the dirty money washed through English football and either less chance now.
Therefore, I want players to come here wanting to play for Man Utd, Man City or Chelsea in the long run but knowing they need to get things right here if they are to fulfill those ambitions. The same as our managers. If someone has the ambition of playing for QPR are they the right player for us?
But with regards to Beale, although I can fully understand his rationale for leaving to manage Glasgow Rangers- opportunity like this doesn't come around often, can lead to even bigger roles - maybe England? - if he gets it right and financial security for life if he doesn't, he hasn't proved himself and getting it wrong at Ibrox could end his career.
He's a brave man to take one of the craziest roles anywhere in World football with such little experience, but honestly good luck to him. The way some QPR fans are reacting is quite embarrassing and endemic of an over emotional attachment to a football club. [Post edited 28 Nov 2022 20:09]
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"Therefore, I want players to come here wanting to play for Man Utd, Man City or Chelsea in the long run but knowing they need to get things right here if they are to fulfill those ambitions. The same as our managers. "
Thing here is...Eze, for example, did as you said, and "got things right here." Beale hasn't, but has been angling for a bigger job (and I agree with you, Rangers is that) from about a dozen games in. That's why he's a toe rag, |  |
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| You gotta wonder... on 21:17 - Nov 28 with 1123 views | Damo1962 |
| You gotta wonder... on 17:18 - Nov 28 by HuckerMOTM |
I understand that there is a lot of emotion flying around which lends itself to people saying bizarre things, but this is actually beyond that.
Whether you like it or not both Rangers and Celtic are among the biggest teams in World football and they are far bigger than than us and, for that matter, most sides in England. Whether it is the right step for Beale is debatable, but he has got an opportunity to manage a side with a genuine global fanbase in the millions - rather than counting likes on Twitter and Facebook as some English clubs do towards counting their international 'fanbase' - and he has the opportunity to become a legend to those fans. He'd be an idiot to not consider taking it and if he feels he can cope with their demands in the mad goldfish bowl of Glasgow football then good luck to him.
Another thing, I'm yet to meet a Scotsman who makes a point that their league is better than the English but yet it seems to be something the English insist on repeating in reverse ad infimum though, that said, the Scottish league is clearly one of the top 10 - 15 leagues in the continent despite them having a smaller population than London and a lot less dirty money floating around their league...
Seriously folks, be angry, be disappointed but stop and think about what you're saying.... [Post edited 28 Nov 2022 17:19]
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Great analysis. I hope he fails miserably, but the Scottish Prem is not as bad as a lot of people in England think. I think we would find it tough with our current squad. Dykes might start scoring though 🤔 | | | |
| You gotta wonder... on 21:46 - Nov 28 with 1067 views | essextaxiboy |
| You gotta wonder... on 19:48 - Nov 28 by HuckerMOTM |
What attendances do you think a country with a population of 5.4m should get...
Also, why are the English so obsessed about slagging off the Scottish league? It's honestly very weird... [Post edited 28 Nov 2022 19:49]
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It's not big enough to support a competitive league then ... |  | | |
| You gotta wonder... on 21:52 - Nov 28 with 1046 views | paulparker |
TBF we owe them for taking Trevor Francis, Ray Wilkins & Mark Falco off them |  |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
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| You gotta wonder... (n/t) on 21:55 - Nov 28 with 1040 views | Damo1962 |
| You gotta wonder... on 21:52 - Nov 28 by paulparker |
TBF we owe them for taking Trevor Francis, Ray Wilkins & Mark Falco off them |
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| You gotta wonder... on 22:00 - Nov 28 with 1024 views | stainrods_elbow |
| You gotta wonder... on 20:03 - Nov 28 by HuckerMOTM |
I've always said that it's best to be honest about QPR and acknowledge what we are: a small-medium sized club with little chance of success before the dirty money washed through English football and either less chance now.
Therefore, I want players to come here wanting to play for Man Utd, Man City or Chelsea in the long run but knowing they need to get things right here if they are to fulfill those ambitions. The same as our managers. If someone has the ambition of playing for QPR are they the right player for us?
But with regards to Beale, although I can fully understand his rationale for leaving to manage Glasgow Rangers- opportunity like this doesn't come around often, can lead to even bigger roles - maybe England? - if he gets it right and financial security for life if he doesn't, he hasn't proved himself and getting it wrong at Ibrox could end his career.
He's a brave man to take one of the craziest roles anywhere in World football with such little experience, but honestly good luck to him. The way some QPR fans are reacting is quite embarrassing and endemic of an over emotional attachment to a football club. [Post edited 28 Nov 2022 20:09]
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You, sir, are everything that's wrong with modern football. (In my humble opinion, of course.)
Gerry Francis? Stan the Man? Alan McDonald? Les Ferdinand? Kevin Gallen? Lee Cooke? How many years did that little lot dedicate themselves to QPR for? Cookie even gave 10% of his sale fee so we were a little less in the shit.
Clearly, you've about as much of a soul when it comes to QPR as the bastard love child of Jose Boswa*ker and that ear-cupping jackass Mark Hateley. |  |
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| You gotta wonder... on 03:36 - Nov 29 with 919 views | numptydumpty |
| You gotta wonder... on 20:06 - Nov 28 by HuckerMOTM |
I'm English/Irish and a QPR fan for f**k sake...
Do you think the Scots are secretly going around saying their league is better than the Premier League? If not, why do the English have an insatiable need to slag off the Scottish League? |
Glasgow Rangers are no doubt a bigger club than ours and a big club.
But the Scottish Premier League is no challenge at all.
Only games that are seriously a big challenge are against Celtic.
As others have said, managing successfully in the Championship a seriously competitive league is an excellent pretext for getting a Premier League Gig.
The only reason Beale is going up there, is 50 000 home supporters every week and in effect most games literally like against Forest Green Rovers or MK Dons.
If he doesn't win the old firm games he is F*****d.
It's a step down from managing in the championship.
Being successful with QPR would gain him much more kudos than being successful with Glasgow Rangers quite obviously.
But also if you are as you say a QPR fan, the way he has treated our club has been a disgrace.
Going to a Glasgow Rangers game, blatantly schmoozing whilst only just after saying he had integrity by turning down the challenge of Wolves and saying he in it for the long term here was blatant bull shit.
That's why us QPR supporters are pissed off with the man but whatever way you look at it, managing in that League is way down on the challenge of managing in either the premiership which he turned down, or being successful with ourselves as a step up.
But Beale wants to go up there to effectively beat MK Don's home and away most weeks of the season, after totally committing to ourselves.
THAT'S why QPR fans are p****d off with the man and if as you say you are a QPR fan, if that does not irritate you Immensely then am afraid that's strange !!! |  |
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| You gotta wonder... on 09:55 - Nov 29 with 809 views | HuckerMOTM |
| You gotta wonder... on 03:36 - Nov 29 by numptydumpty |
Glasgow Rangers are no doubt a bigger club than ours and a big club.
But the Scottish Premier League is no challenge at all.
Only games that are seriously a big challenge are against Celtic.
As others have said, managing successfully in the Championship a seriously competitive league is an excellent pretext for getting a Premier League Gig.
The only reason Beale is going up there, is 50 000 home supporters every week and in effect most games literally like against Forest Green Rovers or MK Dons.
If he doesn't win the old firm games he is F*****d.
It's a step down from managing in the championship.
Being successful with QPR would gain him much more kudos than being successful with Glasgow Rangers quite obviously.
But also if you are as you say a QPR fan, the way he has treated our club has been a disgrace.
Going to a Glasgow Rangers game, blatantly schmoozing whilst only just after saying he had integrity by turning down the challenge of Wolves and saying he in it for the long term here was blatant bull shit.
That's why us QPR supporters are pissed off with the man but whatever way you look at it, managing in that League is way down on the challenge of managing in either the premiership which he turned down, or being successful with ourselves as a step up.
But Beale wants to go up there to effectively beat MK Don's home and away most weeks of the season, after totally committing to ourselves.
THAT'S why QPR fans are p****d off with the man and if as you say you are a QPR fan, if that does not irritate you Immensely then am afraid that's strange !!! |
Numpty,
When you buy your season ticket it doesn't come with a set list of rules about what you should feel about QPR and what you should think about QPR. It buys you entry for 23 matches at Loftus Road, no more, no less.
He hasn't treated anyone disgracefully. What Liz Truss did was a disgrace, what Michael Beale did was decide that his employer wasn't right for him and change it. All that spiel about 'loyalty' was the club's decision for the most part and aimed at people like you who have elevated QPR far and above the role it should play in your life.
You should have got angry about what Liz Truss did because it affects life. You should be angry at what the politicians did during the Pandemic because it affects life.
Taking 2 hours to get to work because of Transport strikes? That should make you frustrated.
A relationship with your partner breaking down? That should make you sad.
Someone you love being diagnosed with a life threatening illness? That should make you distraught.
Michael Beale taking another job shouldn't make you any of the above and if it does that doesn't make you a QPR fan but someone who needs help. | | | |
| You gotta wonder... on 10:16 - Nov 29 with 761 views | SydneyRs |
Rangers is one thing, he has obvious connections there, but he talked to bloody Stoke when he was barely in the door here. Absolute chancer.
Rangers live in a bubble where half a city supports them and they win nearly all the time because Celtic aside the league is rubbish. So their fans have an arrogance and sense of self entitlement way beyond how good they actually are or are ever likely to be. | | | |
| You gotta wonder... on 10:22 - Nov 29 with 742 views | SydneyRs |
| You gotta wonder... on 18:06 - Nov 28 by JimmyR |
Exactly. A global fan base?!? Not sure about that, world renowned possibly.
From what he’s said I reckon he just wants to be biggest chief mason |
Agree with this. While Rangers certainly have fans around the world, their support is mainly very British based and therefore they compete for global support with the big English teams and the premiership. In places like Asia and Africa you will see Liverpool, Man Utd and more recently Man City and Chelsea shirts everywhere, along with Barca, Juve and others. You won't see too many Rangers shirts around.
Celtic are a different story as almost averyone with an Irish background (real or plastic) has some affinity with them and that is an awful lot of people globally. | | | |
| You gotta wonder... on 10:31 - Nov 29 with 728 views | terryb |
| You gotta wonder... on 09:55 - Nov 29 by HuckerMOTM |
Numpty,
When you buy your season ticket it doesn't come with a set list of rules about what you should feel about QPR and what you should think about QPR. It buys you entry for 23 matches at Loftus Road, no more, no less.
He hasn't treated anyone disgracefully. What Liz Truss did was a disgrace, what Michael Beale did was decide that his employer wasn't right for him and change it. All that spiel about 'loyalty' was the club's decision for the most part and aimed at people like you who have elevated QPR far and above the role it should play in your life.
You should have got angry about what Liz Truss did because it affects life. You should be angry at what the politicians did during the Pandemic because it affects life.
Taking 2 hours to get to work because of Transport strikes? That should make you frustrated.
A relationship with your partner breaking down? That should make you sad.
Someone you love being diagnosed with a life threatening illness? That should make you distraught.
Michael Beale taking another job shouldn't make you any of the above and if it does that doesn't make you a QPR fan but someone who needs help. |
I agree with some of what you have posted, especially the Glasgow club being bigger, but I can't agree with your view that he hasn't behaved disgracefully!
Loyalty & integrity have been the watchwords of Beale since he was appointed at Queens Park Rangers & not the clubs. IF he had accepted the Wolves job I wouldn't have considered him a disgrace, but to utter the statement that he did, knowing there was not one word of truth IS A DISGRACE!
He has lied to us continually, just as Boris Johnson did, but you don't agree that he should be held in the same contempt for doing so! Life is full of contradictions & that is another one to add to the list!
There are multiple reports that Beale not only spoke to Wolves, but did so twice. Also that he was interested in other jobs as early as August. Truth does not appear to be a friend of Mr Beale!
Of couse buying a season ticket only pays for entry to LR, but 65 years of following MY TEAM certainly entitles me to have views & feelings about the club, including the owners/directors, players & management.
I know longer care about Beale as he has forfeited that right, but have no problem in hoping that he fails in his career. Another contradiction! [Post edited 29 Nov 2022 10:44]
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| You gotta wonder... on 10:46 - Nov 29 with 706 views | slmrstid |
In 2000 Martin O'Neill left Leicester City (then in the Premiership) to go to Celtic.
Would you say managing the gruesome twosome 20 years ago was a bigger gig than it is now? I'd suggest it is, they were definitely more of a force in Europe than they are now and players would transfer from the top flight to them. Definitely not now. |  | | |
| You gotta wonder... on 10:47 - Nov 29 with 705 views | Ranger_1969 |
| You gotta wonder... on 09:55 - Nov 29 by HuckerMOTM |
Numpty,
When you buy your season ticket it doesn't come with a set list of rules about what you should feel about QPR and what you should think about QPR. It buys you entry for 23 matches at Loftus Road, no more, no less.
He hasn't treated anyone disgracefully. What Liz Truss did was a disgrace, what Michael Beale did was decide that his employer wasn't right for him and change it. All that spiel about 'loyalty' was the club's decision for the most part and aimed at people like you who have elevated QPR far and above the role it should play in your life.
You should have got angry about what Liz Truss did because it affects life. You should be angry at what the politicians did during the Pandemic because it affects life.
Taking 2 hours to get to work because of Transport strikes? That should make you frustrated.
A relationship with your partner breaking down? That should make you sad.
Someone you love being diagnosed with a life threatening illness? That should make you distraught.
Michael Beale taking another job shouldn't make you any of the above and if it does that doesn't make you a QPR fan but someone who needs help. |
Hucker
Like you, I'm a long time lurker and now feel I have something to say on this subject.
You make some good points about what should make us angry, frustrated and sad. Indeed, some of those things you mentioned will have made many on this forum feel those things.
However this is a football fan's forum and specifically a QPR fan's forum. Therefore if people wish to vent their spleen over a QPR related subject - this is the place to do it. It doesn't mean that we're not angry about other things.
IMHO what Beale has done is pretty low. He spoke about ambition to become a Premier League manager. (not going to do that in Glasgow) So if he'd taken the Wolves job then fair enough. But it was he who mentioned the words 'loyalty' and 'integrity' and it was he who posed the question 'How would it look if I jumped ship at this stage.'
I do wonder what Beale will do if a Premier League club come sniffing around next summer - will he leave GR after just 6 months in order to satisfy his 'ambition'?
Anyway, apologies for the long first post ramble! And for those of you still waiting for the all important confession......... I do love a nice mature woman, sorry Cheddar!!!
Love and peace to all. | | | |
| You gotta wonder... on 11:05 - Nov 29 with 680 views | stainrods_elbow |
| You gotta wonder... on 09:55 - Nov 29 by HuckerMOTM |
Numpty,
When you buy your season ticket it doesn't come with a set list of rules about what you should feel about QPR and what you should think about QPR. It buys you entry for 23 matches at Loftus Road, no more, no less.
He hasn't treated anyone disgracefully. What Liz Truss did was a disgrace, what Michael Beale did was decide that his employer wasn't right for him and change it. All that spiel about 'loyalty' was the club's decision for the most part and aimed at people like you who have elevated QPR far and above the role it should play in your life.
You should have got angry about what Liz Truss did because it affects life. You should be angry at what the politicians did during the Pandemic because it affects life.
Taking 2 hours to get to work because of Transport strikes? That should make you frustrated.
A relationship with your partner breaking down? That should make you sad.
Someone you love being diagnosed with a life threatening illness? That should make you distraught.
Michael Beale taking another job shouldn't make you any of the above and if it does that doesn't make you a QPR fan but someone who needs help. |
Have you not got the tiniest sliver of self-awareness? You open your silly, self-contradictory post by berating yer man with the claim that anyone can be any kind of fan and all a season ticket qualifies you for is admission to 23 games, then spend the rest of it telling him exactly how he 'should' or shouldn't' feel about QPR according to your own cynical, arbitary and authoritarian standard, bringing Truss, transport and all your other tiresome and irrelevant nonsense into it. Ypou're the numpty, mate. If you can't see that Beale is a turd who's treated our club like the Turd of Turds (albeit aided and abetted by our own hierarchy's incompetence and submissiveness), you need a brain transplant. [Post edited 29 Nov 2022 11:07]
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