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Thought it deserved it’s own. Predictions?
Especially keen to hear from Rs not based here and outside the bubble. [Post edited 4 Dec 2022 15:31]
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how are they shackled? They've scored 6 in one game and 3 in 2 others so far. He could have gone with a far more defensive midfield but hasn't so far.
I get what you mean about the final, although apart from a good 10 minutes from Italy after half time I didn't think there was much in it |
Fair point
You can only beat what's in front of you I suppose.
Let's see how we set up and play against top seeded nations |  |
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I know it sounds mad but these are my feelings which I know were cast from the foundary walking 8 miles home in the pissing rain after the Euro Final
I was a fairly regular attendee at England games home and now and then away.
He's been great but I just feel the chewing gum is losing it's flavour |
Have you tried not leaving your chewing gum on your bedpost overnight? |  | | |
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Yes I do.
Tough qualifiers for Euro's after this due to our poor performances in the build up to this tournament - NL etc.
Win the big one and the argument is there but I just think it's time for a freshen up. |
Fair enough but in a hypothetical scenario where we’ve beaten France, Spain and Argentina to win the World Cup, I doubt we’d be too worried about our qualifying group for the Euros!
Not that I can recall us losing many qualifiers (or tournament games for that matter) under Southgate anyway so it seems like a bit of a red herring.
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Yes I do.
Tough qualifiers for Euro's after this due to our poor performances in the build up to this tournament - NL etc.
Win the big one and the argument is there but I just think it's time for a freshen up. |
Freshen up after winning the World Cup and with a squad of young exciting players such as Bellingham, Saka, Foden etc?
John Lyall….. West Ham manager for 15 years from the mid 70’s. Oversaw a team that yo-you’d from FA Cup winners to Cup Winners Cup finalists to relegation then promotion then team rebuilding and so on.
In today’s environment he would have “had to go” the moment they got relegated.
The club stood by him whilst he rebuilt.
As always in this situation, people demand a new manager and for things to change without suggesting who should come and what they should do differently.
So, who and how? |  | | |
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how are they shackled? They've scored 6 in one game and 3 in 2 others so far. He could have gone with a far more defensive midfield but hasn't so far.
I get what you mean about the final, although apart from a good 10 minutes from Italy after half time I didn't think there was much in it |
That final hurt because we know we lost at home to a bang average team and tossed a great chance to win a tournament away.
The team is now a bit older and more experienced. The addition of Bellingham is a huge plus and Foden is a better player now than then. I don't think there's any denying that we're still improving as a tournament team.
The Senegal performance reminded me of some of the good German sides of the past. We have pace, power and multiple goal threats. Beating France is definitely possible. |  | | |
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That final hurt because we know we lost at home to a bang average team and tossed a great chance to win a tournament away.
The team is now a bit older and more experienced. The addition of Bellingham is a huge plus and Foden is a better player now than then. I don't think there's any denying that we're still improving as a tournament team.
The Senegal performance reminded me of some of the good German sides of the past. We have pace, power and multiple goal threats. Beating France is definitely possible. |
Italy were far from bang average, they were really good last summer, beat Belgium and Spain to get to the final and the final there was nothing in it really, nether side did enough to win it. Foden getting injured in training and missing the final was a big blow, think we'd have won it if he came off the bench that night |  | | |
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Italy were far from bang average, they were really good last summer, beat Belgium and Spain to get to the final and the final there was nothing in it really, nether side did enough to win it. Foden getting injured in training and missing the final was a big blow, think we'd have won it if he came off the bench that night |
Were‘t they unbeaten in 50 or something when we played them? | | | |
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Were‘t they unbeaten in 50 or something when we played them? |
35 I think and I do remember that in the group stages many people (pundits, fans etc) were all saying that Italy were looking good. Good enough to go all the way. | | | |
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35 I think and I do remember that in the group stages many people (pundits, fans etc) were all saying that Italy were looking good. Good enough to go all the way. |
Yep longest unbeaten run
https://www.uefa.com/uefanationsleague/news/026d-132c3f1155e7-e4c679188d16-1000-
Its utter madness that people are seeing issues with Southgate. Honestly think he could beat Brazil 5-0 in the final and people would still say its not as good as 1990 and we just don't have anyone like Gazza anymore. This England team are united, they are good and they are achieving really good things. Why would anyone wan't to change that?? |  |
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Yep longest unbeaten run
https://www.uefa.com/uefanationsleague/news/026d-132c3f1155e7-e4c679188d16-1000-
Its utter madness that people are seeing issues with Southgate. Honestly think he could beat Brazil 5-0 in the final and people would still say its not as good as 1990 and we just don't have anyone like Gazza anymore. This England team are united, they are good and they are achieving really good things. Why would anyone wan't to change that?? |
One reason- to say that they were right and the majority of us were wrong. | | | |
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You only have to look at the Spain game tonight to see how good our result against Senegal (African champions) was |  |
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The calls for him to go will be big if we don't win it. Really we have to produce 3 of our best ever tournament results to win this. France are very good then probably an excellent Portugal side then Brazil or Argentina. You could make the same argument for France as well if they go onto win it, thats a tough run. It's not impossible but I can't see England winning this which will probably be seen as a failure. | | | |
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Even if we lose on Sat, for me he's got one more tourno in him.
What's been so impressive is the club-like atmosphere he's built - players who get on and look like they actually enjoy playing for England. Don't think we've really had that since Sir Bobby & Venables. |  |
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Even if we lose on Sat, for me he's got one more tourno in him.
What's been so impressive is the club-like atmosphere he's built - players who get on and look like they actually enjoy playing for England. Don't think we've really had that since Sir Bobby & Venables. |
This. Rio Ferdinand has commented a few times about club rivalries that existed during his time with England and also certain players not wanting to be there and faking injuries to avoid being called up. The current situation under Southgate is a world away from that. | | | |
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Much as I find the Southgate brand of football frustrating at times, overall he has done a great job for England.
As usual in these situations, who would you get in to replace him who would do as good or better job? |  |
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Italy were far from bang average, they were really good last summer, beat Belgium and Spain to get to the final and the final there was nothing in it really, nether side did enough to win it. Foden getting injured in training and missing the final was a big blow, think we'd have won it if he came off the bench that night |
Not buying it, they failed to qualify for the last two world cups. We tossed away a fantastic opportunity. | | | |
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The calls for him to go will be big if we don't win it. Really we have to produce 3 of our best ever tournament results to win this. France are very good then probably an excellent Portugal side then Brazil or Argentina. You could make the same argument for France as well if they go onto win it, thats a tough run. It's not impossible but I can't see England winning this which will probably be seen as a failure. |
That's the problem, people see anything other than winning as a failure. It's not. | | | |
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Not buying it, they failed to qualify for the last two world cups. We tossed away a fantastic opportunity. |
Not denying it was a fantastic opportunity but I didn't thinK England did much wrong in the final. Was a very close game, they had a good spell after half time when they got level but after that England were more than a match for them. penalties could have gone either way | | | |
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That's the problem, people see anything other than winning as a failure. It's not. |
B I N G O
Successful recent nations like France and Spain went through huge cultural changes over two decades to win silverware. It didn’t happen by accident or because they lucked out on a single individual.
It was long term cultural and infrastructure change and lots of investment.
England have been doing that for a while now starting with St Georges and changes to youth coaching. Look at England success over decades not ten years.
QPR dare I say it trying to do the same and we should back it as a method. [Post edited 7 Dec 2022 13:17]
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Quality, mindset and history. The England v French game on Saturday, pretty even odds for me. This game does not have the same hyperbole connected to it as with playing Germany and Italy, especially against Germany in World Cup and Euros, where the background and expectation is wrapped up in more than just football and it takes on a media frenzy all of its own, which has tended to work against us. This game against France think we are much more evenly matched, we have a superb range of midfield players and attacking force, the French will be wary of. France are a brilliant team but England are as well major semi and final in last 2 tournaments. Hope Mr Southgate has prepared us for penalties. If we get through and meet Portugal they look on fire. The irony of all this is played and beat both France and Portugal on our way to victory in 66. [Post edited 7 Dec 2022 15:43]
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Quality, mindset and history. The England v French game on Saturday, pretty even odds for me. This game does not have the same hyperbole connected to it as with playing Germany and Italy, especially against Germany in World Cup and Euros, where the background and expectation is wrapped up in more than just football and it takes on a media frenzy all of its own, which has tended to work against us. This game against France think we are much more evenly matched, we have a superb range of midfield players and attacking force, the French will be wary of. France are a brilliant team but England are as well major semi and final in last 2 tournaments. Hope Mr Southgate has prepared us for penalties. If we get through and meet Portugal they look on fire. The irony of all this is played and beat both France and Portugal on our way to victory in 66. [Post edited 7 Dec 2022 15:43]
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This.
The start of the real change in approach to youth coaching was in 2010 - I was lucky enough to take part in the first 'youth module' coaching course when it was rolled out in 2010. The irony wasn't lost on us when one day we were allowed to leave the course an hour early...to go & watch us humbled by Germany in the SA World Cup.
Summer 2010: Foden was 10, Saka was not quite 9, Bellingham just turning 7...this is the generation where we will hopefully reap the benefits of our change in coaching culture....when this lot are at their mid-20s peak, and the 20 year olds coming through have been schooled the same way...and are all Champs League regulars too. | |
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B I N G O
Successful recent nations like France and Spain went through huge cultural changes over two decades to win silverware. It didn’t happen by accident or because they lucked out on a single individual.
It was long term cultural and infrastructure change and lots of investment.
England have been doing that for a while now starting with St Georges and changes to youth coaching. Look at England success over decades not ten years.
QPR dare I say it trying to do the same and we should back it as a method. [Post edited 7 Dec 2022 13:17]
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Nice one.
St Georges Park was done in 2012 I think... so just another decade to go then.
Sorry but this modern day British approach of "it's okay not to win" is bollox.
Even more so when you are in a Final, in your own backyard, with a partisan crowd, playing against an aging and creaking backline when you are blessed with pace and attacking riches yet send your team out to "contain".
Petty, small minded and blinkered you may think I am but that performance and result will forever be a stain on the multitude of good things Southgate has done.
All that aside.... C'mon Ing-er-lund | |
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Nice one.
St Georges Park was done in 2012 I think... so just another decade to go then.
Sorry but this modern day British approach of "it's okay not to win" is bollox.
Even more so when you are in a Final, in your own backyard, with a partisan crowd, playing against an aging and creaking backline when you are blessed with pace and attacking riches yet send your team out to "contain".
Petty, small minded and blinkered you may think I am but that performance and result will forever be a stain on the multitude of good things Southgate has done.
All that aside.... C'mon Ing-er-lund |
It’s maths you are arguing with mate (and French and Spanish World Cup wins)
If you was a 12 year old when St George’s opened you’d only be 22. It’s no coincidence that Bellingham, Foden, and Saka are arguably our best players and have already won World Cups and European Championships.
Piss and vinegar and pints of wine might make you feel good because they remind you of the good old days but it delivered fck all for 50 years.
You got to walk out of a final for the first time since ‘66 and it’s a shame you are angry at the reason you got there. [Post edited 7 Dec 2022 22:15]
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It’s maths you are arguing with mate (and French and Spanish World Cup wins)
If you was a 12 year old when St George’s opened you’d only be 22. It’s no coincidence that Bellingham, Foden, and Saka are arguably our best players and have already won World Cups and European Championships.
Piss and vinegar and pints of wine might make you feel good because they remind you of the good old days but it delivered fck all for 50 years.
You got to walk out of a final for the first time since ‘66 and it’s a shame you are angry at the reason you got there. [Post edited 7 Dec 2022 22:15]
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I'll be 32 when I win a major tournament though!!
Not looking for an argument and I totally get the welcome change in modern day coaching has been brilliant. I was no fan of the "put it in the mixer" and "four four fckin two" approach. However I think it's a stretch to say St Georges is a fulcrum for this -- it's surely a sea change across the world??? We all looked at Spain and France in wonderment but all they really did was encourage ball players, pace and aggressive running to close other teams down. That's the football we all want to see but with a bit of a mix up now and then. that cross the board change has been main factor in some diamonds emerging for us IMHO
We'll see on Saturday how our Gareth plays it and please God all those three lads you mention play plus maybe Rashford (who I've loved as a player since he was 17 and backed totally even in his dip -- he is a real game changer when on it).
BTW .... the anger long since faded... the disappointment and disengagement does live on though (I know how my wife feels about our marriage now) | |
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