| HS2 13:06 - Oct 4 with 11271 views | loftboy |
Effectively cancelled north of Birmingham, nothing mentioned about the poor buggers who had their homes compulsory purchased. |  |
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| HS2 on 18:05 - Oct 5 with 1736 views | LimehouseR |
| HS2 on 17:29 - Oct 5 by QPR_Jim |
I think your right, we do need a 3rd party but regardless of how good the alternative is, I think when it comes to voting people would end up sticking to Labour and Conservatives to avoid "wasting their vote". My personal view is there'd be nothing worse for this country than another conservative government and I'm sure there are others who feel equally as opposed to a labour government, so regardless of how good the 3rd option is to either camp I would guess that the votes would be cast with whoever has the better chance of getting in.
The only way out of it I can see is proportional representation but there doesn't seem to be much apatite for it generally. I think it's time to get the politicians working together rather than letting them divide society along the lines they create but they'd never push for it as it would reduce their power. |
That's the problem. Until the first past the post system is scrapped the Tories will forever have power even when they don't get the majority of the country voting for them. It will never change because they won't give up on their power. My fear is that we will get a hung parliament because the vote will be spread across, Labour just don't seem to be very convincing in a time when it would be pretty easy to offer a much better alternative. And so with first past the post parties like the Greens and Lib Dems will never really get the representation their parties now deserve. But I'm no expert so what do I know.
As for HS2. The Victorians weren't afraid to push their funding, it paid off in the end. Spending billions and getting nowhere (well, Birmingham) is criminal. The Tories continue to line the pockets of the very rich at the expense of the tax payer. Until they are accountable for their criminal activities and lies it will carry on for as long as they are in power. It seems they push the boundaries again and again and find that the boundary is fairly non-existent... |  | | |
| HS2 on 18:08 - Oct 5 with 1729 views | QPR_John |
| HS2 on 18:01 - Oct 5 by BostonR |
It’s a disgraceful decision, but I doubt we have heard the last of HS2. Like the covid £BNs this government think they can just walk away, but that is not possible.
There are binding agreements in place and I doubt the plethora of main contractors will fold so expect an army of lawyers and legals -we are talking £BNs. Payment terms for main contractors/sub contractors and consultants were very aggressive (in some cases over 180-250 days). That will need to be settled.
Ploughing back on the masses of land already compulsory purchased- an enormous task to unravel.
And now the news of a new delivery vehicle for Euston. This means they are looking for private investment to the tune of £6BN plus. There will be a lengthy queue of investors but what’s in it for them? Can’t wait to see that offering, as I suspect a large parcel of London land will be given away free. They will try to do this deal before a GE and then leave an incoming government with a huge mess to clear up.
Don’t be surprised to hear Labour call this out and state a reversal if they win. That will spook the investors and they will wait and see. Either way it’s an enormous and unnecessary mess and all at the behest of an unelected PM. This country has truly lost the plot. |
“ Don’t be surprised to hear Labour call this out and state a reversal if they win.”
But we will then have a PM who is on record wanting it to cancelled.
“ unelected PM”
You’re in favour of a directly elected PM then I assume. [Post edited 5 Oct 2023 18:12]
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| HS2 on 19:14 - Oct 5 with 1633 views | loftupper |
| HS2 on 18:08 - Oct 5 by QPR_John |
“ Don’t be surprised to hear Labour call this out and state a reversal if they win.”
But we will then have a PM who is on record wanting it to cancelled.
“ unelected PM”
You’re in favour of a directly elected PM then I assume. [Post edited 5 Oct 2023 18:12]
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Wasn't even elected by the parties own members. Stunning endorsement there! | | | |
| HS2 on 21:20 - Oct 5 with 1551 views | QPR_John |
| HS2 on 19:14 - Oct 5 by loftupper |
Wasn't even elected by the parties own members. Stunning endorsement there! |
Must be the first time that has happened | | | |
| HS2 on 21:35 - Oct 5 with 1533 views | LazyFan |
| HS2 on 21:20 - Oct 5 by QPR_John |
Must be the first time that has happened |
No, the Tories, I think, did this with Howard as well. |  |
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| HS2 on 21:46 - Oct 5 with 1510 views | 100percent |
All eyes on who the CPO'd land gets sold off to cheaply.
The cynic in me would say that land will be sold off cheap and need to be repurchased again.
I wonder who would do that type of deal.. ???? |  | | |
| HS2 on 22:01 - Oct 5 with 1497 views | loftupper |
| HS2 on 21:20 - Oct 5 by QPR_John |
Must be the first time that has happened |
Whats that got to do with it?
You were trying to be a smart arse by suggesting that someone was advocating electing prime ministers directly. I simply responded by saying he was not even elected by his own party. | | | |
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| HS2 on 22:05 - Oct 5 with 1494 views | derbyhoop |
It looks like much of the promised £36bn will be committed to many projects that are already in the pipeline or, in some cases, completed. Not all are in the North and it looks like a scattergun approach.
Even if deliverable, when will it happen?
Surely we wouldn't have politicians being economical with the truth? |  |
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| HS2 on 22:09 - Oct 5 with 1474 views | QPunkR |
| HS2 on 22:05 - Oct 5 by derbyhoop |
It looks like much of the promised £36bn will be committed to many projects that are already in the pipeline or, in some cases, completed. Not all are in the North and it looks like a scattergun approach.
Even if deliverable, when will it happen?
Surely we wouldn't have politicians being economical with the truth? |
Good of 'em to be economical with something |  |
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| HS2 on 22:46 - Oct 5 with 1429 views | QPR_John |
| HS2 on 22:01 - Oct 5 by loftupper |
Whats that got to do with it?
You were trying to be a smart arse by suggesting that someone was advocating electing prime ministers directly. I simply responded by saying he was not even elected by his own party. |
So what does unelected Prime Minister mean | | | |
| HS2 on 23:39 - Oct 5 with 1407 views | wombat |
| HS2 on 18:01 - Oct 5 by BostonR |
It’s a disgraceful decision, but I doubt we have heard the last of HS2. Like the covid £BNs this government think they can just walk away, but that is not possible.
There are binding agreements in place and I doubt the plethora of main contractors will fold so expect an army of lawyers and legals -we are talking £BNs. Payment terms for main contractors/sub contractors and consultants were very aggressive (in some cases over 180-250 days). That will need to be settled.
Ploughing back on the masses of land already compulsory purchased- an enormous task to unravel.
And now the news of a new delivery vehicle for Euston. This means they are looking for private investment to the tune of £6BN plus. There will be a lengthy queue of investors but what’s in it for them? Can’t wait to see that offering, as I suspect a large parcel of London land will be given away free. They will try to do this deal before a GE and then leave an incoming government with a huge mess to clear up.
Don’t be surprised to hear Labour call this out and state a reversal if they win. That will spook the investors and they will wait and see. Either way it’s an enormous and unnecessary mess and all at the behest of an unelected PM. This country has truly lost the plot. |
This will take a large number of civil company’s down with it as well , all have gone out and bought the equipment needed and it’s now worthless , not useful for any other projects either as specialised for hs2 , biggest waste of money this country will ever have , I live in Harefield and the destruction in ours and all surrounding areas just isn’t worth it . |  |
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| HS2 on 04:37 - Oct 6 with 1368 views | loftupper |
| HS2 on 22:46 - Oct 5 by QPR_John |
So what does unelected Prime Minister mean |
It can mean many different things dependant on the context of the question.
Sunak lost the only election he participated in to lead the party. | | | |
| HS2 on 07:58 - Oct 6 with 1294 views | Ranger_Things |
Reports this morning that Seven bins Sunak will indeed sell off the land to his donors and cronies. This will also ensure that no following government will be able to resurrect the project and the north will effectively never be able to have high speed high speed rail.
Long term decisions for a brighter future. |  | | |
| HS2 on 10:31 - Oct 6 with 1215 views | MedwayR |
| HS2 on 07:58 - Oct 6 by Ranger_Things |
Reports this morning that Seven bins Sunak will indeed sell off the land to his donors and cronies. This will also ensure that no following government will be able to resurrect the project and the north will effectively never be able to have high speed high speed rail.
Long term decisions for a brighter future. |
Something needs to be done about this, it's so blatantly corrupt. |  |
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| HS2 (n/t) on 11:19 - Oct 6 with 1163 views | QPR_John |
| HS2 on 04:37 - Oct 6 by loftupper |
It can mean many different things dependant on the context of the question.
Sunak lost the only election he participated in to lead the party. |
It is a meaningless phrase whatever the context it is used in. There never has been an elected PM and under the current electoral rules unless they change there never will be. Of course if you are advocating for a general election should a sitting PM leave office for whatever reason then you have a valid argument. An MP is elected and a PM is an MP who can command the house as I’m sure you know. All parties are happy with situation so it’s not a political issue so why the suggestion that a PM is unelected is used to score political points is beyond me. [Post edited 6 Oct 2023 11:33]
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| HS2 (n/t) on 14:18 - Oct 6 with 1041 views | loftupper |
| HS2 (n/t) on 11:19 - Oct 6 by QPR_John |
It is a meaningless phrase whatever the context it is used in. There never has been an elected PM and under the current electoral rules unless they change there never will be. Of course if you are advocating for a general election should a sitting PM leave office for whatever reason then you have a valid argument. An MP is elected and a PM is an MP who can command the house as I’m sure you know. All parties are happy with situation so it’s not a political issue so why the suggestion that a PM is unelected is used to score political points is beyond me. [Post edited 6 Oct 2023 11:33]
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Well, to echo your comments this is not the first time a situation such as this has been used to score political points. But I am sure given what you have said you would never have inferred the same on Gordon Brown.
I am not advocating anything, just stating that Sunak lost the only leadership election in which he stood.
Lastly, I would also add that unfortunately the personality of the party leader does influence voting behaviour, it did so negatively for Corbyn and positively for Johnson. | | | |
| HS2 on 14:26 - Oct 6 with 1014 views | Juzzie |
..... and let's stop it there. |  | | |
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