| HS2 13:06 - Oct 4 with 11323 views | loftboy |
Effectively cancelled north of Birmingham, nothing mentioned about the poor buggers who had their homes compulsory purchased. |  |
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| HS2 on 15:55 - Oct 4 with 2673 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| HS2 on 15:41 - Oct 4 by RBlock |
I'd love to see Labour revive it after the GE, however there is now reports that the Tories are selling off land on the cheap, that was expensively CPO'd and planned for HS2 2nd leg. This would really hamstring any Labour plans to resurrect it, no?
Also, a lot of aspersions being cast that one of the reasons the project costs escalated was the tunnelling through the home counties to avoid upsetting Tory voting constituencies in the home counties. Sounds like a bit of a stretch to me. |
If so, I'd like to know who to? |  |
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| HS2 on 15:56 - Oct 4 with 2669 views | NorthantsHoop |
| HS2 on 15:41 - Oct 4 by RBlock |
I'd love to see Labour revive it after the GE, however there is now reports that the Tories are selling off land on the cheap, that was expensively CPO'd and planned for HS2 2nd leg. This would really hamstring any Labour plans to resurrect it, no?
Also, a lot of aspersions being cast that one of the reasons the project costs escalated was the tunnelling through the home counties to avoid upsetting Tory voting constituencies in the home counties. Sounds like a bit of a stretch to me. |
Excellent points, in a bizarre way the alleged £36bn savings from HS2 2nd leg to be re-purposed to transport projects in the north was what was needed when the original HS2 stuff was drawn up and would have made sense while the Birmingham to London bit was built. Sadly it's all a bit of an expensive dogs dinner and the tax payer will be picking up the bill for decades to come. For the railways the country is still suffering from the Beeching cuts of the 1960s when we actually had a railway that on the whole joined up towns, cities and villages. Transport policy in this country is just a mess and is all sticking plaster stuff. |  | | |
| HS2 on 16:05 - Oct 4 with 2627 views | Juzzie |
| HS2 on 15:17 - Oct 4 by NorthantsHoop |
I worked for DfT for many years before early retirement, let's just say HS2 has been a problem child from the day that the government decided to set up HS2 Ltd to deliver the project. I would assume if a Labour government is elected next year the northern leg of HS2 will be back on the agenda again. This political decision by Sunak most likely is about setting traps for an incoming Labour government and anyway the re-development of Euston, alongside re-developing Birmingham centre within the project was always key to the actual aims of a new high speed railway, never felt there was much interest in going up to Leeds or Manchester as this all seemed a bit too hard, but as usual was played along with and has affected/blighted the future of people living in the affected areas sadly. Many of us early doors thought the project would not be able to be delivered for the original budget and within the timeframe. The suggestions by Andy Street and Andy Burnham to engage the private sector in a greater partnership with government and local authorities seem most sensible, be interesting to see how this plays out. [Post edited 4 Oct 2023 15:24]
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Setting future traps is so much more important than the welfare of the country.
Cnts. |  | | |
| HS2 on 16:10 - Oct 4 with 2596 views | Boston |
| HS2 on 14:06 - Oct 4 by bob566 |
Brexit numbskull farage in attendance at tory conference. Is he going to rejoin them. |
He's working there, serving hot tongue and cold shoulder. |  |
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| HS2 on 16:35 - Oct 4 with 2563 views | Logman |
Levelling up, my arse .... | | | |
| HS2 on 16:36 - Oct 4 with 2558 views | QPR_John |
Did not Starmer want it scraped completely a few years ago | | | |
| HS2 on 16:44 - Oct 4 with 2544 views | Paddyhoops |
This is called levelling up . Making the south as piss poor as the North. They’re getting there.!! | | | |
| HS2 on 17:05 - Oct 4 with 2468 views | NorthantsHoop |
| HS2 on 16:05 - Oct 4 by Juzzie |
Setting future traps is so much more important than the welfare of the country.
Cnts. |
When politicians say it is all about the economic case what they actually mean is fxxk that can we get another 5 years on the Westminster gravy train and does the decision appeal to our core vote. HS2 was initially championed by Labour, Cameron with his first coalition government had to throw a bone out to counter his austerity project and deflect calls for a 3rd runway at Heathrow and further air and road expansion by packaging HS2 as a better environment option.Hoping that the economic growth case would somehow add up, it never did and probably never will. [Post edited 4 Oct 2023 17:06]
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| HS2 on 17:14 - Oct 4 with 2439 views | RangersDave |
Whilst the white elephant of hs2 gets "trunkated' (sorry, couldnt resist), no one has remembered that when this was proposed the Chinese tendered for a 10th of todays cost, and would build a world beater high speed line.
If you've ever travelled on the chinese railways built in the last 15 or so years, boy, they are quick, reliable and clean....... and they learnt all this from the Germans and Japanese.
If we'd have given then the contract, east west, and the northern powerhouse would all be completed and running and at well under 94 billion we've spent so far just to get to 'yam yam' country. |  |
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| HS2 on 18:26 - Oct 4 with 2329 views | stowmarketrange |
| HS2 on 14:46 - Oct 4 by derbyhoop |
I recently went to Lille, via 2 x TGVs, a regional train and Paris metro. 4 trains in each direction, all ran on time. Travelled first class on TGVs for an extra 5€. Whole trip cost 160€.
Now compare that to the train service in UK.
It's an awful decision, despite the escalating costs. Most benefits arise when there is a London, not OOC, to Manchester line. Does anybody seriously expect that the monies will be diverted, in full, to improved E-W services? |
France is over twice as big as the UK and if they didn’t have a high speed train system it would take ages to get anywhere. |  | | |
| HS2 on 18:49 - Oct 4 with 2275 views | CiderwithRsie |
| HS2 on 15:49 - Oct 4 by joe90 |
An artist 'impression' of the Old Oak Common station, beautiful isn't it? Only thing missing is a little football stadium : ) |
I am amazed that no-one has picked up on the obvious point that the sole remaining purpose of HS2 is to make it easier for us and Birmingham City fans to get to any matches with each other. | | | |
| HS2 on 18:57 - Oct 4 with 2255 views | derbyhoop |
| HS2 on 18:26 - Oct 4 by stowmarketrange |
France is over twice as big as the UK and if they didn’t have a high speed train system it would take ages to get anywhere. |
A valid point. I couldn't have driven it in twice the time it took by train.
But look at the cost. It's a fraction of the cost of a similar journey in UK and cheaper than driving as well.
I've also taken the train in other European countries and its quicker, cleaner and cheaper than anything UK can offer. |  |
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| HS2 on 19:01 - Oct 4 with 2243 views | QPR_Jim |
| HS2 on 18:26 - Oct 4 by stowmarketrange |
France is over twice as big as the UK and if they didn’t have a high speed train system it would take ages to get anywhere. |
I think that the fact we're smaller does lend us to having a high speed rail link. Whenever I need to travel to Scotland I fly because the trains are packed and expensive. It shouldn't really be a viable option for internal flights in a country of our size but the state of the rail network makes it viable/preferable.
Paris-Marseille is similar distance as London-Edinburgh, one's about 3.5hrs by train and the others nearly 5hrs and if you decide to go when it's busy you won't necessarily get a seat and you'll get charged a fortune for the pleasure. |  | | |
| HS2 on 10:20 - Oct 5 with 2051 views | Esox_Lucius |
| HS2 on 18:49 - Oct 4 by CiderwithRsie |
I am amazed that no-one has picked up on the obvious point that the sole remaining purpose of HS2 is to make it easier for us and Birmingham City fans to get to any matches with each other. |
With the confirmation that the HSR will now terminate at Euston and not Old Oak, can we revive the building of a new stadium at Old Oak as a discussion topic? |  |
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| HS2 on 10:47 - Oct 5 with 2014 views | Northernr |
| HS2 on 15:49 - Oct 4 by joe90 |
An artist 'impression' of the Old Oak Common station, beautiful isn't it? Only thing missing is a little football stadium : ) |
If it looks like that I'll genuinely pay for it myself. |  | | |
| HS2 on 14:20 - Oct 5 with 1882 views | R_from_afar |
| HS2 on 19:01 - Oct 4 by QPR_Jim |
I think that the fact we're smaller does lend us to having a high speed rail link. Whenever I need to travel to Scotland I fly because the trains are packed and expensive. It shouldn't really be a viable option for internal flights in a country of our size but the state of the rail network makes it viable/preferable.
Paris-Marseille is similar distance as London-Edinburgh, one's about 3.5hrs by train and the others nearly 5hrs and if you decide to go when it's busy you won't necessarily get a seat and you'll get charged a fortune for the pleasure. |
Trains are more expensive than planes because the aviation industry is one of the most undertaxed and overly subsidised sections of the UK economy.
There’s no VAT on plane tickets, and there’s no tax on aviation fuel.
Meanwhile...
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| HS2 on 15:06 - Oct 5 with 1813 views | TheChef |
| HS2 on 14:20 - Oct 5 by R_from_afar |
Trains are more expensive than planes because the aviation industry is one of the most undertaxed and overly subsidised sections of the UK economy.
There’s no VAT on plane tickets, and there’s no tax on aviation fuel.
Meanwhile...
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Equally hilarious and depressing. |  |
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| HS2 on 15:33 - Oct 5 with 1758 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| HS2 on 19:01 - Oct 4 by QPR_Jim |
I think that the fact we're smaller does lend us to having a high speed rail link. Whenever I need to travel to Scotland I fly because the trains are packed and expensive. It shouldn't really be a viable option for internal flights in a country of our size but the state of the rail network makes it viable/preferable.
Paris-Marseille is similar distance as London-Edinburgh, one's about 3.5hrs by train and the others nearly 5hrs and if you decide to go when it's busy you won't necessarily get a seat and you'll get charged a fortune for the pleasure. |
France has banned internal flights too. |  | | |
| HS2 on 15:37 - Oct 5 with 1752 views | Paddyhoops |
| HS2 on 15:06 - Oct 5 by TheChef |
Equally hilarious and depressing. |
My work colleague pays 196 quid to travel from Clacton to London every week.
My last 3 flights to Ireland cost less.
Kinda of says it all. | | | |
| HS2 on 16:28 - Oct 5 with 1681 views | paulparker |
| HS2 on 14:24 - Oct 4 by Juzzie |
People will still carry on voting for them as the mindset is so entrenched. We've seen it on here so many times. Not saying anyone else is better (before anyone starts that train, unintentional pun, of thought). |
We don’t have a viable alternative that’s the problem
This country is screaming for a 3rd party that will put the British public first
As for HS2 what a clusterfunk , most of Harefield etc ripped to shreds for fcuk all |  |
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| HS2 on 17:29 - Oct 5 with 1601 views | QPR_Jim |
| HS2 on 16:28 - Oct 5 by paulparker |
We don’t have a viable alternative that’s the problem
This country is screaming for a 3rd party that will put the British public first
As for HS2 what a clusterfunk , most of Harefield etc ripped to shreds for fcuk all |
I think your right, we do need a 3rd party but regardless of how good the alternative is, I think when it comes to voting people would end up sticking to Labour and Conservatives to avoid "wasting their vote". My personal view is there'd be nothing worse for this country than another conservative government and I'm sure there are others who feel equally as opposed to a labour government, so regardless of how good the 3rd option is to either camp I would guess that the votes would be cast with whoever has the better chance of getting in.
The only way out of it I can see is proportional representation but there doesn't seem to be much apatite for it generally. I think it's time to get the politicians working together rather than letting them divide society along the lines they create but they'd never push for it as it would reduce their power. | | | |
| HS2 on 17:39 - Oct 5 with 1576 views | Juzzie |
No idea why but Kier Starmer was in our cafe area at lunchtime today (getting a healthy salad) and he's smaller than I was expecting.
No, I didn't go up to him and ask him about HS2 or anything else for that matter. I was too busy trying to get my fish & chips before they ran out. | | | |
| HS2 on 18:01 - Oct 5 with 1542 views | BostonR |
It’s a disgraceful decision, but I doubt we have heard the last of HS2. Like the covid £BNs this government think they can just walk away, but that is not possible.
There are binding agreements in place and I doubt the plethora of main contractors will fold so expect an army of lawyers and legals -we are talking £BNs. Payment terms for main contractors/sub contractors and consultants were very aggressive (in some cases over 180-250 days). That will need to be settled.
Ploughing back on the masses of land already compulsory purchased- an enormous task to unravel.
And now the news of a new delivery vehicle for Euston. This means they are looking for private investment to the tune of £6BN plus. There will be a lengthy queue of investors but what’s in it for them? Can’t wait to see that offering, as I suspect a large parcel of London land will be given away free. They will try to do this deal before a GE and then leave an incoming government with a huge mess to clear up.
Don’t be surprised to hear Labour call this out and state a reversal if they win. That will spook the investors and they will wait and see. Either way it’s an enormous and unnecessary mess and all at the behest of an unelected PM. This country has truly lost the plot. |  | | |
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