| Chair…since he’s come back 22:46 - Nov 5 with 7127 views | HammersmithR |
We have gone back to old habits. Slowing the play down. Such little end product. Manager doing everything to get him in the side. We are a weaker side with him in the side. The manager needs to be brave and revert to what we were doing earlier in the season. We have been found out big time. Another season of being woeful at home. Ipswich hadn’t won away all season. Southampton had won 4 games in over 60 matches. We have the 2nd worst defensive record in the league. We are an utter shambles at the moment. The manager makes so many changes every game. The back 4 can’t build up any solidity together. The midfield and striker is an absolute lottery who plays. Just pick your best side for FFS. This tinkering every game is clearly not working. On our good run we had a pretty settled side. Now we will go to Sheffield and be another defeat. This manager is not learning. Simply repeating his mistakes. |  | | |  |
| Chair…since he’s come back on 07:05 - Nov 7 with 1732 views | HammersmithR |
Chair would never come into any conversation compared to Tarabat. Tarabat was on another planet compared to Chair. Chair is very much a one tricky pony. He literally cuts inside every time with that roll over of the ball. How rarely does he actually score with that move? I sit in the Upper Loft and have probably caught the ball more times than his goals? He’s essentially an attacking midfielder. Watch him closely and you will rarely see him break the lines to support our strikers or get beyond them. He spends the majority of games in that area between the D and the centre circle. For someone in his position and our ‘number 10’ is goal return is very, very poor. He’s never reached 10 goals in a season. He’s 28 now. If we could get some money for him I would take it. But the way he plays you basically have to build a team around him, but for me he’s not good enough to build a team around to take us to the next level. Now with Tarabat you would definitely build a team around. No club would build a team around Chair and I’m afraid to say given the length of his contract we are essentially stuck with him because the guy is not going to get any better. His football career has peaked. | | | |
| Chair…since he’s come back on 09:28 - Nov 7 with 1596 views | TheChef |
| Chair…since he’s come back on 07:05 - Nov 7 by HammersmithR |
Chair would never come into any conversation compared to Tarabat. Tarabat was on another planet compared to Chair. Chair is very much a one tricky pony. He literally cuts inside every time with that roll over of the ball. How rarely does he actually score with that move? I sit in the Upper Loft and have probably caught the ball more times than his goals? He’s essentially an attacking midfielder. Watch him closely and you will rarely see him break the lines to support our strikers or get beyond them. He spends the majority of games in that area between the D and the centre circle. For someone in his position and our ‘number 10’ is goal return is very, very poor. He’s never reached 10 goals in a season. He’s 28 now. If we could get some money for him I would take it. But the way he plays you basically have to build a team around him, but for me he’s not good enough to build a team around to take us to the next level. Now with Tarabat you would definitely build a team around. No club would build a team around Chair and I’m afraid to say given the length of his contract we are essentially stuck with him because the guy is not going to get any better. His football career has peaked. |
We all want him (and the team!) to do well but the stats suggest otherwise sadly. |  |
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| Chair…since he’s come back on 10:06 - Nov 7 with 1554 views | Mole_Senior |
The Chair situation is a bit like picking the best England 11. No one's doubting his unbelievable talent, but at the moment, he's not right for the team or style we're playing, therefore he shouldn't start just because of who is and was. |  | | |
| Chair…since he’s come back on 12:05 - Nov 7 with 1431 views | DANRANGER |
Not posted for sometime, but this one caught my eye. Big fan of chair and no questioning his ability, but I do think there is something in this subject especially when we play him as a 10. He is not a 10, he drifts left and vacates the area too often and then we lack numbers in the box.
Not all his fault, but with madsen and varane predominantly behind the ball we are too easy to play against. If Stephan wants to let chair drop deep or wide, then we must get other players forward so maybe Morgan comes into discussion.
Interesting those that say chair was a better performer, but is that to the detriment of the team.. rather the team play well than any individual.
Keep the faith though and we will probably go and win on Saturday. |  | | |
| Chair…since he’s come back on 12:18 - Nov 7 with 1399 views | nick_hammersmith |
I like Illy, but please keep him away from the dead balls for a bit.
All those corners in the week and nothing really created?? |  | | |
| Chair…since he’s come back on 12:31 - Nov 7 with 1350 views | daveB |
| Chair…since he’s come back on 12:18 - Nov 7 by nick_hammersmith |
I like Illy, but please keep him away from the dead balls for a bit.
All those corners in the week and nothing really created?? |
his first few corners were good, Morrison almost scored with a header from one and Madsen had a chance from one |  | | |
| Chair…since he’s come back on 12:36 - Nov 7 with 1319 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
There is an argument that he looks better in a weaker team as he's the big fish in a small pond. Now we have more attacking options, he is no longer the main man having to drive us forward when we've got nothing else up there.
I suppose it comes back to whether Stephan has the expertise to find the perfect blend. At the moment, the jury is very much out. | | | |
| Chair…since he’s come back on 12:57 - Nov 7 with 1292 views | Burnleyhoop |
| Chair…since he’s come back on 07:05 - Nov 7 by HammersmithR |
Chair would never come into any conversation compared to Tarabat. Tarabat was on another planet compared to Chair. Chair is very much a one tricky pony. He literally cuts inside every time with that roll over of the ball. How rarely does he actually score with that move? I sit in the Upper Loft and have probably caught the ball more times than his goals? He’s essentially an attacking midfielder. Watch him closely and you will rarely see him break the lines to support our strikers or get beyond them. He spends the majority of games in that area between the D and the centre circle. For someone in his position and our ‘number 10’ is goal return is very, very poor. He’s never reached 10 goals in a season. He’s 28 now. If we could get some money for him I would take it. But the way he plays you basically have to build a team around him, but for me he’s not good enough to build a team around to take us to the next level. Now with Tarabat you would definitely build a team around. No club would build a team around Chair and I’m afraid to say given the length of his contract we are essentially stuck with him because the guy is not going to get any better. His football career has peaked. |
Show me one player in this QPR team who you can build a team around. Burrell the best of a mediocre bunch and he cannot control a ball to save his life. Kone, slow as a cart horse with two powder puff DCM’s behind him. Saito, Smyth and Dembele all blow fairly warm and cold with little or no end product either.
Chair has is issues, but most revolve around having mediocrity around him. When Eze and Bright Samuel were here, the interlink play was superb. 3 great players on the same wavelength and capable of short, sharp intricate passes and movement.
Tell you who else cuts inside every time, Grealish. If you have no left foot, that’s what you do. It’s not a fu#king crime to do so, you can cross, shoot or lay the ball off. Just how many goals have we scored lately from slinging balls into the box? Zilch. We are useless at corners and set pieces and never get on the end of anything. Thinking Chair needs to get to the byline and attempt a left footed cross is pointless and is a lame argument
As for being the number 10, just how many times has he played in that position?
How often do our actual strikers hit 10 goals a season?
Chair is one of the few left in that team with any sort of pedigree. Cook is another but he is in the twilight of his career. The rest are hopeful punts from lower leagues and foreign lands that have done nothing yet but show a bit of promise…..occasionally. | | | |
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| Chair…since he’s come back on 13:28 - Nov 7 with 1239 views | KensalT |
| Chair…since he’s come back on 07:05 - Nov 7 by HammersmithR |
Chair would never come into any conversation compared to Tarabat. Tarabat was on another planet compared to Chair. Chair is very much a one tricky pony. He literally cuts inside every time with that roll over of the ball. How rarely does he actually score with that move? I sit in the Upper Loft and have probably caught the ball more times than his goals? He’s essentially an attacking midfielder. Watch him closely and you will rarely see him break the lines to support our strikers or get beyond them. He spends the majority of games in that area between the D and the centre circle. For someone in his position and our ‘number 10’ is goal return is very, very poor. He’s never reached 10 goals in a season. He’s 28 now. If we could get some money for him I would take it. But the way he plays you basically have to build a team around him, but for me he’s not good enough to build a team around to take us to the next level. Now with Tarabat you would definitely build a team around. No club would build a team around Chair and I’m afraid to say given the length of his contract we are essentially stuck with him because the guy is not going to get any better. His football career has peaked. |
In principle I agree with you that Taarabt was (or ought to have been) on a completely different level to anything Chair could ever aspire to.
But if you look at Taarabt's career as a whole over half his goals were scored for us and the bulk of those were in that one promotion winning season:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adel_Taarabt
Apart from a couple of productive years in Dubai Neal Warnock is the only manager ever to get a tune out of Adel.
Chair might not be the same calibre of player but he has been the attacking linchpin of our side for several years and under a string of different managers.
Only Gareth Ainsworth failed to get anything out of Chair.
Having said all of that I'm not sure our new more direct style suits Chair's game and maybe it is time to think about life after little Illy! | | | |
| Chair…since he’s come back on 13:50 - Nov 7 with 1193 views | Loyalitat |
| Chair…since he’s come back on 12:31 - Nov 7 by daveB |
his first few corners were good, Morrison almost scored with a header from one and Madsen had a chance from one |
The way some go on here, it's as if we're talking about sunday morning football. Defenders and defensive structures at this high level, will largely negate most corners and free-kicks. The fact that a few of Chair's corners led to potential scoring opportunities is in line with the level of football, where chances are at a premium.
As for benching him because we are now more direct, again, that's hardly working now as sides have worked out how to render this very basic ploy largely ineffective. Without players who are able to offer some guile and vision at this level, then we're kidding ourselves if we think that the direct approach, on its own, will petrify any team at this level.
Chair offers that much needed point of difference and I'd back him to deliver more often, in terms of chances created and goals scored, than any of Saito, Madsen, Vale, Dembele, Poku, Smyth etc.
Spolier alert: the majority of our best moments in the game against Southampton involved none other than Chair. [Post edited 7 Nov 22:57]
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| Chair…since he’s come back on 17:43 - Nov 7 with 1060 views | Esox_Lucius |
This, and a number of other related threads on similar subjects lead me to believe that we have a lot of fans who do not like flair players and throws a lot of light on the decision to make Kenny POTY over Adel. |  |
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| Chair…since he’s come back on 17:55 - Nov 7 with 1029 views | KensalT |
| Chair…since he’s come back on 17:43 - Nov 7 by Esox_Lucius |
This, and a number of other related threads on similar subjects lead me to believe that we have a lot of fans who do not like flair players and throws a lot of light on the decision to make Kenny POTY over Adel. |
Got to love Adel for what he did for us that season and he would have been a worthy POTY (although Kenny's 23 clean sheets was no small achievement).
The only disappointment with Adel is that he didn't kick on and get to the very top. | | | |
| Chair…since he’s come back on 18:40 - Nov 7 with 979 views | Esox_Lucius |
| Chair…since he’s come back on 17:55 - Nov 7 by KensalT |
Got to love Adel for what he did for us that season and he would have been a worthy POTY (although Kenny's 23 clean sheets was no small achievement).
The only disappointment with Adel is that he didn't kick on and get to the very top. |
I think that was down to a combination of a solid defence and opposition that were wary of committing forwards due to Ale in midfield and Adel in front of him. | |
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| Chair…since he’s come back on 18:50 - Nov 7 with 952 views | HoopinEssex |
I guess it's unpopular. I just don't rate him. A player that looks good but produces very little. | | | |
| Chair…since he’s come back on 20:14 - Nov 7 with 809 views | QPRJill |
Chair is slowing the game down when he returns to old and bad habits which basically are:
1) Playing and running with his eyes wide shut or refusing to pass to a better placed team mate.
2) Taking all the corners and free kicks.
For large spells in the first half he released the ball when he should and in that way kept the flow in our play alive.
Ps: I hope he will find to the form he showed when Willock here. If not I think we should cash in on him if possible in January already. | | | |
| Chair…since he’s come back on 20:54 - Nov 7 with 753 views | numptydumpty |
A lot of this criticism of Ilias is harking back to the past. He always held onto the ball too long, tried to do everything himself, often shot, when he could have looked for a player in space. In the past, he was our only creative player on and for a short time when Willock was producing, one of only two.
This season, before Chair rejoined us on the pitch, there have many different contributors on the pitch and we have shown some very decent passages of play.
Was at Swansea and thought Chair played differently and adapted to the style of the team and the new players also. The last two games, he has reverted to type. There has been some good moments but a lot of familiar failings. Admittedly, most players have been poor, but i dont wish to watch Chair holding onto the ball too long, taking too many shots, never looking for the front men or playing the ball to them.
The Swansea cameo showed signs he could adapt to the team play and add elements to his play that enable others to play also.
Obviously the goals conceded, have no real link to how Chair has played, but the last couple of games, for me the quick ball or the looking for the runs of others and not stopping so often trying to unlock the key in a pretty predictable way has been frustrating as opposed to poor.
He was interviewed in pre season and said JS was enabling him to see different ways of playing and his cameo at Swansea was very encouraging, as his way of playing was unlike Ilias of old and seemed to show elements of a new maturity.
i hope this can be replicated. we will see. I might be inclined crrently for him to come on most games at 60 minutes. He is only a few games in though, so lets give this time.
Another half a dozen games down the line, then we can properly judge this old chestnut !!! [Post edited 7 Nov 23:09]
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| Chair…since he’s come back on 22:43 - Nov 7 with 705 views | 7374Ranger |
| Chair…since he’s come back on 11:35 - Nov 6 by WadR |
Chair feels like a bizarre person to single out. He didn't play against Millwall, was good in his cameo against Swansea, played only half an hour against Derby and I think is one of the few players who played ok in the last 2 games.
He moved the ball quickly to play Burrell in for the chance he had early in the second half. He put in several good corners. He works really hard out of possession.
Feels like correlation and not causation. I don't think you can blame him for Esquerdinha's errors on the weekend or Mbengue/Morrison being at fault last night. |
Not to mention that the only shot on target at Derby was from Chair after he came on as a sub and Burrell scored against Ipswich following up the former's shot.
The defeats have come about because if individual goalkeeand defensive errors and poor shooting and finishing from the attacking players.
The poor quality from set pieces (or lack of practice on the training ground) don’t help neither do the stupid nonsense short goalkicks.
As pointed out he didn't play against Millwall and was a sub at Derby. The Ipswich and Southampton defeats were down to defensive errors , as were the other two games, Chair was not to blame.
As stated, people overlook the work rate Chair puts in, he wouldn't have allowed the Southampton player to go on that run and shoot without a challenge as Dembele did. When he came on to replace Smyth I said it was a mistake because he wouldn't be tracking back and getting tackles in.
Stephan needs to find a solution and I hope he does it soon. | | | |
| Chair…since he’s come back on 11:26 - Nov 8 with 547 views | Burnleyhoop |
| Chair…since he’s come back on 20:54 - Nov 7 by numptydumpty |
A lot of this criticism of Ilias is harking back to the past. He always held onto the ball too long, tried to do everything himself, often shot, when he could have looked for a player in space. In the past, he was our only creative player on and for a short time when Willock was producing, one of only two.
This season, before Chair rejoined us on the pitch, there have many different contributors on the pitch and we have shown some very decent passages of play.
Was at Swansea and thought Chair played differently and adapted to the style of the team and the new players also. The last two games, he has reverted to type. There has been some good moments but a lot of familiar failings. Admittedly, most players have been poor, but i dont wish to watch Chair holding onto the ball too long, taking too many shots, never looking for the front men or playing the ball to them.
The Swansea cameo showed signs he could adapt to the team play and add elements to his play that enable others to play also.
Obviously the goals conceded, have no real link to how Chair has played, but the last couple of games, for me the quick ball or the looking for the runs of others and not stopping so often trying to unlock the key in a pretty predictable way has been frustrating as opposed to poor.
He was interviewed in pre season and said JS was enabling him to see different ways of playing and his cameo at Swansea was very encouraging, as his way of playing was unlike Ilias of old and seemed to show elements of a new maturity.
i hope this can be replicated. we will see. I might be inclined crrently for him to come on most games at 60 minutes. He is only a few games in though, so lets give this time.
Another half a dozen games down the line, then we can properly judge this old chestnut !!! [Post edited 7 Nov 23:09]
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I think that’s fair Numpty. He has more than enough ability to make this team tick in a way that utilises our new players and their strength. He needs to nail the n10 spot down and provide the ammunition for them to perform.
For me, he is the player we build the team around, but he does need to adapt his approach and style to become the playmaker, in conjunction with Madsen playing behind him. We do need an enforcer in there with them, probably one of Field or Hayden. Still not sure what type of midfielder Varane is supposed to be, because he isn’t providing enough in defence or attack to justify his place in the team. | | | |
| Chair…since he’s come back on 11:49 - Nov 8 with 520 views | R_from_afar |
| Chair…since he’s come back on 11:35 - Nov 6 by WadR |
Chair feels like a bizarre person to single out. He didn't play against Millwall, was good in his cameo against Swansea, played only half an hour against Derby and I think is one of the few players who played ok in the last 2 games.
He moved the ball quickly to play Burrell in for the chance he had early in the second half. He put in several good corners. He works really hard out of possession.
Feels like correlation and not causation. I don't think you can blame him for Esquerdinha's errors on the weekend or Mbengue/Morrison being at fault last night. |
"Feels like correlation and not causation."
Spot on. In a game in which there are 11 players a side, it's pretty rare that one person is at the root of all the problems, but many people love a single scapegoat these days.
Let's be honest, with the exception of Burrell, no one else is on top form. I think that's the issue, and it's a big concern  . |  |
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