| Loveliest Town in England Match Thread 12:26 - Nov 26 with 37834 views | colinallcars |
No takers yet ? I'd better have another go in the hope of alcohol duty being scrapped in the Budget.
A 1-1 draw I reckon. |  | | |  |
| Loveliest Town in England Match Thread on 09:28 - Nov 27 with 1432 views | TheChef |
| Loveliest Town in England Match Thread on 22:02 - Nov 26 by Ned_Kennedys |
Well he’s stepped in again and done a very decent job to keep them out. Great cross for Smyth’s volley as well. Not sure what else you wanted him to do really. |
Indeed.
Amazing how for all his limitations he always does a good job, wherever he's asked to play.
Some people... |  |
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| Loveliest Town in England Match Thread on 09:30 - Nov 27 with 1409 views | loftus77 |
| Loveliest Town in England Match Thread on 22:33 - Nov 26 by MrSheen |
What’s happened to Vale? Have I missed something? |
Rock bottom of League One last time I looked. Stoke fan told me. |  | | |
| Loveliest Town in England Match Thread on 09:32 - Nov 27 with 1385 views | TheChef |
| Loveliest Town in England Match Thread on 22:04 - Nov 26 by essextaxiboy |
Really not sure about Kone . he looks overweight and not very fit . I was really excited when he came and I know he has been playing in a withdrawn role but as been mentioned he is so slow and has a heavy touch IMO . Gave the ball away for Hulls first goal and tonight we are trying to see the game out and he gives the ball away two or three times .
Hopefully he is adjusting to this level and we see more of the striker we thought we had after Charlton in time .. |
Yeah Kone is an odd one. Clearly he's not naturally slim or quick, but he does seem to have got slower and heavier in the last month or two. Is it a conditioning thing? Maybe Ben Williams can tell us 
Anyway I'm still hopeful he'll come good again. | |
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| Loveliest Town in England Match Thread on 09:35 - Nov 27 with 1339 views | Gloucs_R |
| Loveliest Town in England Match Thread on 22:23 - Nov 26 by BrianMcCarthy |
My worry with them, and with all of our central midfilelders, is that we have to play them so deep.
They only do okay if we play a deep back four and play our central midfielders deep as well.
That's six lads behind our part of the centre circle.
Even at home.
If we signed good midfielders, if we coached good midfielders, if we said as a club that we believe in midfielders, then we would actually play midfielders. In midfield.
To destroy.
To control.
To create.
To dominate.
That's midfield.
That's the job.
But we can't ask them to do that.
Because they can't.
That's our fault. |
Yes Brian, exactly this. I want our central midfielders to be the beating heart of the team.
That why I get so annoyed with Madsden and then get a backlash when I mention anything negative. Its not his fault he's the player he is, but he's not the player I want in the middle of the park. Varane, Hayden, Field all can do a holding job but I wish for someone more dominant who can orchestrate it all, lead the team, get stuck in, score a few, wind them up and get in the Ref's ear.
Anyone got a spare £50m? [Post edited 27 Nov 9:36]
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| Loveliest Town in England Match Thread on 09:56 - Nov 27 with 1192 views | themodfather |
firstly i hope Hamer is ok , then well i had us down for a 2 or 3-0 loss , this was the team talk that motivated them and it worked well, lol.
rovers were poor overall, but we played well and even if nardi made a top save at 0-0, point blank, full stretch he did his job well.
smyth took his goal very well and nearly volleyed a 2nd , their goalie knew nothing as it hit him to safety. a 1-0 away win , great. well done those 500 or so hardy souls who ventured to the barren northlands , the journey home was likely sweet .
WE ARE ON A ROLL, 2 unbeaten , the broken canaries next , oh the hope gets me every time! | | | |
| Loveliest Town in England Match Thread on 10:24 - Nov 27 with 1083 views | Boston |
| Loveliest Town in England Match Thread on 09:32 - Nov 27 by TheChef |
Yeah Kone is an odd one. Clearly he's not naturally slim or quick, but he does seem to have got slower and heavier in the last month or two. Is it a conditioning thing? Maybe Ben Williams can tell us
Anyway I'm still hopeful he'll come good again. |
Majority decision in the pub pre match was - ain't what he was cracked up to be. On yer bike. | |
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| Loveliest Town in England Match Thread on 10:42 - Nov 27 with 990 views | TheChef |
| Loveliest Town in England Match Thread on 10:24 - Nov 27 by Boston |
Majority decision in the pub pre match was - ain't what he was cracked up to be. On yer bike. |
An understanding, forgiving bunch eh? | |
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| Loveliest Town in England Match Thread on 11:40 - Nov 27 with 813 views | BrizR |
| Loveliest Town in England Match Thread on 09:35 - Nov 27 by Gloucs_R |
Yes Brian, exactly this. I want our central midfielders to be the beating heart of the team.
That why I get so annoyed with Madsden and then get a backlash when I mention anything negative. Its not his fault he's the player he is, but he's not the player I want in the middle of the park. Varane, Hayden, Field all can do a holding job but I wish for someone more dominant who can orchestrate it all, lead the team, get stuck in, score a few, wind them up and get in the Ref's ear.
Anyone got a spare £50m? [Post edited 27 Nov 9:36]
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The thing is Madsen at this point does play that dominant role. He's everywhere and involved in everything. Look at the stats from last night and compare Madsen and Varane: https://www.sofascore.com/football/match/blackburn-rovers-queens-park-rangers/bs
Madsen's doing more both attacking and defending, and look how much of the pitch he covers on the heat map. Beyond the stats just watch him on the pitch - from a player who used to be very quiet and withdrawn he's now talking all the time. I agree some of his passing didn't come off last night, but he almost always tries to move the ball forwards which is going to carry that risk.
I think he's really not helped by being so bloody tall and a bit languid; he never looks like he's working that hard, but from the stats he must be. I would like more goal involvements out of him, but some of that is explained by playing very deep and he's often putting in the pass that gets us up the pitch before one of the attacking players makes the actual assist. And he's only 25, plenty of time to develop yet.
One supplementary thought: the bloke's played in every one of our league games this season and averaged 80 minutes on the pitch. There's always lots of discussion about fitness and availability in key positions, who's being rotated in 3 game weeks etc. Madsen leads the team in league appearances and plays most or all of the games he's in. | | | |
| Loveliest Town in England Match Thread on 11:54 - Nov 27 with 739 views | TheChef |
| Loveliest Town in England Match Thread on 11:40 - Nov 27 by BrizR |
The thing is Madsen at this point does play that dominant role. He's everywhere and involved in everything. Look at the stats from last night and compare Madsen and Varane: https://www.sofascore.com/football/match/blackburn-rovers-queens-park-rangers/bs
Madsen's doing more both attacking and defending, and look how much of the pitch he covers on the heat map. Beyond the stats just watch him on the pitch - from a player who used to be very quiet and withdrawn he's now talking all the time. I agree some of his passing didn't come off last night, but he almost always tries to move the ball forwards which is going to carry that risk.
I think he's really not helped by being so bloody tall and a bit languid; he never looks like he's working that hard, but from the stats he must be. I would like more goal involvements out of him, but some of that is explained by playing very deep and he's often putting in the pass that gets us up the pitch before one of the attacking players makes the actual assist. And he's only 25, plenty of time to develop yet.
One supplementary thought: the bloke's played in every one of our league games this season and averaged 80 minutes on the pitch. There's always lots of discussion about fitness and availability in key positions, who's being rotated in 3 game weeks etc. Madsen leads the team in league appearances and plays most or all of the games he's in. |
Yes it did cross my mind that Madsen has started pretty much every game this season, which is great to see.
One thing we could improve is one of those midfielders getting into the box more often. Madsen did a little, Varane not so much. Hayden has shown he can with that assist he got from the by-line at Swansea. | |
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| Loveliest Town in England Match Thread on 11:54 - Nov 27 with 735 views | Gloucs_R |
| Loveliest Town in England Match Thread on 11:40 - Nov 27 by BrizR |
The thing is Madsen at this point does play that dominant role. He's everywhere and involved in everything. Look at the stats from last night and compare Madsen and Varane: https://www.sofascore.com/football/match/blackburn-rovers-queens-park-rangers/bs
Madsen's doing more both attacking and defending, and look how much of the pitch he covers on the heat map. Beyond the stats just watch him on the pitch - from a player who used to be very quiet and withdrawn he's now talking all the time. I agree some of his passing didn't come off last night, but he almost always tries to move the ball forwards which is going to carry that risk.
I think he's really not helped by being so bloody tall and a bit languid; he never looks like he's working that hard, but from the stats he must be. I would like more goal involvements out of him, but some of that is explained by playing very deep and he's often putting in the pass that gets us up the pitch before one of the attacking players makes the actual assist. And he's only 25, plenty of time to develop yet.
One supplementary thought: the bloke's played in every one of our league games this season and averaged 80 minutes on the pitch. There's always lots of discussion about fitness and availability in key positions, who's being rotated in 3 game weeks etc. Madsen leads the team in league appearances and plays most or all of the games he's in. |
All of which I can accept and fair play to you for going out of your way to explain your view.
But I have in my head what I would like a CM to be and he's not it. Thats not to say he isnt effective at what he is being asked to do, he just doesnt do it for me. | |
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| Loveliest Town in England Match Thread on 12:14 - Nov 27 with 672 views | Hunterhoop |
| Loveliest Town in England Match Thread on 11:40 - Nov 27 by BrizR |
The thing is Madsen at this point does play that dominant role. He's everywhere and involved in everything. Look at the stats from last night and compare Madsen and Varane: https://www.sofascore.com/football/match/blackburn-rovers-queens-park-rangers/bs
Madsen's doing more both attacking and defending, and look how much of the pitch he covers on the heat map. Beyond the stats just watch him on the pitch - from a player who used to be very quiet and withdrawn he's now talking all the time. I agree some of his passing didn't come off last night, but he almost always tries to move the ball forwards which is going to carry that risk.
I think he's really not helped by being so bloody tall and a bit languid; he never looks like he's working that hard, but from the stats he must be. I would like more goal involvements out of him, but some of that is explained by playing very deep and he's often putting in the pass that gets us up the pitch before one of the attacking players makes the actual assist. And he's only 25, plenty of time to develop yet.
One supplementary thought: the bloke's played in every one of our league games this season and averaged 80 minutes on the pitch. There's always lots of discussion about fitness and availability in key positions, who's being rotated in 3 game weeks etc. Madsen leads the team in league appearances and plays most or all of the games he's in. |
Very good points. I think that’s fair. And those stats back up my thoughts from yesterday. Varane far less involved last night than Madsen but Madsen’s pass completion not his best. I think Madsen is carrying Varane atm.
There’s no doubting Madsen is having a good season, a world away from last year’s no show. I am surprised he’s not being rested here or there. If he picks up an injury, it would be reasonable to blame the club for potentially overloading him. If Vale is fit, I’d have Vale as his understudy in that role. And Field as Varane’s, who I think should be dropped to the bench for a couple of games. |  | | |
| Loveliest Town in England Match Thread on 12:29 - Nov 27 with 607 views | BrizR |
| Loveliest Town in England Match Thread on 12:14 - Nov 27 by Hunterhoop |
Very good points. I think that’s fair. And those stats back up my thoughts from yesterday. Varane far less involved last night than Madsen but Madsen’s pass completion not his best. I think Madsen is carrying Varane atm.
There’s no doubting Madsen is having a good season, a world away from last year’s no show. I am surprised he’s not being rested here or there. If he picks up an injury, it would be reasonable to blame the club for potentially overloading him. If Vale is fit, I’d have Vale as his understudy in that role. And Field as Varane’s, who I think should be dropped to the bench for a couple of games. |
Varane is frustrating because he seems to have regressed a bit from last season. He keeps showing flashes of the player he could be, it just never seems to come together across a full game.
I think Madsen at the moment is basically undroppable both because he's personally in good form but also because we don't have another equivalent player. We've tried combinations of Field/Hayden/Varane a couple of times and it immediately kills our ability to get the ball out of defence. In one game when Madsen was subbed off in the second half Chair ended up playing there, and while he's got a lot of good attributes for it the guy isn't a central midfielder and is a bit wasted there. I agree on Vale, or possibly Morgan, as the players best-suited to understudy, but Stephan doesn't seem to agree. My guess would be that he thinks it's too risky to try one of them with Varane at the moment if he's off the boil, but he also doesn't want to change both midfielders at once when the partnership is basically working. I'd like to see either Hayden or Field in for Varane and see if that works and whether it's robust enough for Madsen to have a break, but there's also something to be said for a player in good form getting to play as much as possible. | | | |
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