| Andy Burnham 09:46 - Jul 20 with 18046 views | SaintNick |
Nice guy, everyone says that, but he seems to be called that because he tells people what they want to hear all the time.
Can he make big decisions ? But more to the point, here we are an hour before he is going to be Prime minister and we don't actually know what he is going to do when he takes charge, will he continue with the Labour party manifesto that got them elected or will he change course, in which case many say he should go to the polls.
If that happens I don't think any of the other parties are in any better condition.
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| Andy Burnham on 10:02 - Jul 20 with 11348 views | dirk_doone |
It would be great if we had someone who didn't have preconceived ideas, but acted pragmatically. Let's hope Andy Burnham is indeed that man. |  |
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| Andy Burnham on 10:09 - Jul 20 with 11331 views | SaintNick |
| Andy Burnham on 10:02 - Jul 20 by dirk_doone |
It would be great if we had someone who didn't have preconceived ideas, but acted pragmatically. Let's hope Andy Burnham is indeed that man. |
Yes perhaps Andy Burnham could be that man, but not having pre conceived ideas is not what politics is about, political parties and MP's have to be voted in and they have to tell people why they should vote for them, so decisions can be made on who is best to vote for.
As the popular joke doing the rounds at the moment says:
A Blairite, A Corbynite & a Marxist walk into the House of Commons bar, "What are you having Andy" says the barman | |
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| Andy Burnham on 10:17 - Jul 20 with 11314 views | dirk_doone |
Pragmatic: Solving problems in a sensible way that suits the conditions that really exist now, rather than obeying fixed theories or ideas.
As you say, politicians aren't usually like that, which is why they rarely come up with sensible solutions to real problems. They are too hampered by dogma and ideology. Hopefully, Andy Burnham is different. [Post edited 20 Jul 10:21]
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| Andy Burnham on 10:36 - Jul 20 with 11235 views | Southamptonfan |
He is saying all the right things. Politics doesn't work for the majority - I agree with that. We need some hope - I agree with that. Scrapping ID cards and using our oil.in the North Sea - I agree with that.
But what is he going to do to make politics work better? Not a clue. He is either just saying all the right things for his own needs and to get into power or he has a genuine interest in helping this country. It could go either way for me. Either a real breath of fresh air or a catastrophe. Not sure yet, although a lot of what he is saying and his charasmatic style is a good sign. [Post edited 20 Jul 10:38]
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| Andy Burnham on 11:20 - Jul 20 with 11142 views | SaintNick |
| Andy Burnham on 10:17 - Jul 20 by dirk_doone |
Pragmatic: Solving problems in a sensible way that suits the conditions that really exist now, rather than obeying fixed theories or ideas.
As you say, politicians aren't usually like that, which is why they rarely come up with sensible solutions to real problems. They are too hampered by dogma and ideology. Hopefully, Andy Burnham is different. [Post edited 20 Jul 10:21]
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I think we are both singing off slightly different hymnsheets here.
the pre conceived ideas I am saying that he should have are referring to having spent the last year with others plotting this moment, he should know exactly what he is going to do now.
He should have studied the problems in that time in a sensible way and know what he is going to do.
He has been gerymandered into number 10 with his by election in a safe seat, with his own party being whipped into line not to oppose him in the Labour party leadership election therefore a free pass.
All of this without anyone knowing what he is going to stand for and do differently than his predecessors or indeed what he actually stands for. | |
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| Andy Burnham on 11:28 - Jul 20 with 11121 views | Ifonly |
Burnham will make things worse. His big speech said that he wanted to return to the economic policies of the 1970s: more government, more taxes, more public spending, more nationalisation. The 1970s were an economic disaster for the UK. In the end we had to be bailed out by the IMF. The same basic rules of economics still apply. Kill the private sector and you kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.
Starmer and Reeves promised policies that would deliver economic growth and talked about its importance. But the policies they actually implemented were the opposite, because they had to work with the approval of the majority of Labour MPs, who are very left wing. Burnham will now pander to those MPs and make things worse. | | | |
| Andy Burnham on 11:50 - Jul 20 with 11067 views | City_boy |
I can't see how he will be able to make things better, without borrowing significantly or raising taxes.
I will wait and see what he does, but not heard anything yet of what his plans are.
The only thing I hope is that he strings Miliband up on one of his windmills in the North Sea. if he gets the Chancellor job, the Bond market will go mental, and increase rates at which the Government borrows, which is probably why Mahmoud (who has absolutely no financial/economic experience or qualifications) is favourite. [Post edited 20 Jul 11:53]
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| Andy Burnham on 12:00 - Jul 20 with 11044 views | 1885_SFC |
Meet the new boss - same as the old boss. |  |
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| Andy Burnham on 12:01 - Jul 20 with 11042 views | 1teeminants |
I’m certainly no Labour fan but for me listening to Burnhams speech the other day he certainly came across very well . Starmer was just too nicey nicey. It will be interesting to see what happens in the next few months. |  |
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| Andy Burnham on 12:09 - Jul 20 with 11003 views | Heisenberg |
Andy Burnham ran Greater Manchester working in partnership with both the public and private sectors. I don’t feel business has anything to fear from him but whether he can tackle the huge issues around housing, the NHS, soaring costs of benefits, immigration, social care for the elderly and defence costs are another matter. These need a cross party consensus with agreements in place and an understanding they are long term issues which may take years to be addressed. Our tribal politics won’t allow that of course. |  |
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| Andy Burnham on 12:52 - Jul 20 with 10945 views | Ifonly |
| Andy Burnham on 12:09 - Jul 20 by Heisenberg |
Andy Burnham ran Greater Manchester working in partnership with both the public and private sectors. I don’t feel business has anything to fear from him but whether he can tackle the huge issues around housing, the NHS, soaring costs of benefits, immigration, social care for the elderly and defence costs are another matter. These need a cross party consensus with agreements in place and an understanding they are long term issues which may take years to be addressed. Our tribal politics won’t allow that of course. |
What the private sector has to fear is that he raises both taxes and borrowing to pay for the issues you mention, plus all of his pet projects. He didn't have the authority to do that as a Mayor.
The tax burden is already at its highest since WWII and we already pay significantly higher interest rates than others such as France, Germany and the US. The risks around this already mean that businesses are afraid to invest in the UK. In contrast, investment in the US is going gangbusters. | | | |
| Andy Burnham on 13:20 - Jul 20 with 10877 views | kingslandstand1 |
| Andy Burnham on 12:09 - Jul 20 by Heisenberg |
Andy Burnham ran Greater Manchester working in partnership with both the public and private sectors. I don’t feel business has anything to fear from him but whether he can tackle the huge issues around housing, the NHS, soaring costs of benefits, immigration, social care for the elderly and defence costs are another matter. These need a cross party consensus with agreements in place and an understanding they are long term issues which may take years to be addressed. Our tribal politics won’t allow that of course. |
He's started off by saying a couple of right things totally against Starmer with oil drilling and ID cards etc, but they're not the quick fix we need
As he doesn't appear to have a mandate that we know of rather than press gossip, depending on what papers you read, let's see where we are in 12 months time and where all this money he'll be spending comes
from
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| Andy Burnham on 13:26 - Jul 20 with 10864 views | Chesham_Saint |
This just sums up why people now despise politicians generally.
When the Tories did it, quite understandably Labour called foul and demanded an election. Now Labour does the same and it’s all ok. Hypocrites the lot of them. All topped off by the utter sanctimony of 400 odd MPs in the Commons giving Starmer a standing ovation when they pretty much all just stabbed him in the back.
I know we don’t have a presidential system here, but really, what a bunch of two-faced, second rate fecktards we’ve had governing us over the past several years.
And the new guy seems just the same. Not to mention the fact that he supports Everton (as I still haven't forgiven them for 1984!). |  |
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| Andy Burnham on 13:54 - Jul 20 with 10824 views | 1885_SFC |
"Andy Burnham, the King of the North". That's all I keep reading.
Next I'll be reading he's gone on a crusade to King's Landing to slay Queen Rhaenyra Targaryen and take the Iron Throne.
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| Andy Burnham on 16:06 - Jul 20 with 10704 views | City_boy |
new cabinet announcements starting.
I do have to laugh at Starmer and Reeves parting message that the country is in a better place.
The only people who would agree with this are those on benefits and who have 3 kids.
I doubt the many businesses who are suffering would agree. | | | |
| Andy Burnham on 16:42 - Jul 20 with 10657 views | cocklebreath |
| Andy Burnham on 16:06 - Jul 20 by City_boy |
new cabinet announcements starting.
I do have to laugh at Starmer and Reeves parting message that the country is in a better place.
The only people who would agree with this are those on benefits and who have 3 kids.
I doubt the many businesses who are suffering would agree. |
The NHS is in a better place |  |
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| Andy Burnham on 16:48 - Jul 20 with 10629 views | kernow |
Hé needs to enter into accession talks with Europe asap. | | | |
| Andy Burnham on 16:59 - Jul 20 with 10621 views | Chesham_Saint |
| Andy Burnham on 16:48 - Jul 20 by kernow |
Hé needs to enter into accession talks with Europe asap. |
I didn't think you were still in the 6th form Kerns? | |
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| Andy Burnham on 17:09 - Jul 20 with 10600 views | City_boy |
| Andy Burnham on 16:42 - Jul 20 by cocklebreath |
The NHS is in a better place |
Not convinced
Waiting lists still at record levels - 7.4m
Still a big dependency on expensive agency staff.
Virtually impossible to see a doctor in person
A&E targets not being met.
Staff shortages and low moral
Clinical negligence claims increased
Cancer survival rates still below our European neighbours.
I accept, it wasn't brilliant under the tories, but Starmer is in fantasy land if he thinks life for average working people has improved under his watch. [Post edited 20 Jul 17:17]
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| Andy Burnham on 17:15 - Jul 20 with 10588 views | DorsetIan |
If he doesn't call an early general election (unlikely) he's got 2/3 yers to make an impact.
That's not long and I think it will mean that he will forced to be radical in what he does.
For me, the electorate are looking first and foremost for someone to shake things up a bit. Starmer and Reeves were one long borefest.
Burham has a massive majority. I don't think it will take too much for him to get another term if he is decisive and makes choices/changes that people actually notice and like. |  |
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| Andy Burnham on 17:18 - Jul 20 with 10572 views | Ifonly |
Today, Burnham says he's "bringing forward the biggest changes in the last 40 years: a new political model and a new economic model.”
It's one thing to have an unelected PM if the new guy's just carrying on what the old guy was doing. But to promise the biggest changes in 40 years with no mandate from the people to do that, is ridiculous. That's an abuse of our democratic system.
Fvck off, no one voted for you. | | | |
| Andy Burnham on 18:08 - Jul 20 with 10501 views | Heisenberg |
| Andy Burnham on 17:18 - Jul 20 by Ifonly |
Today, Burnham says he's "bringing forward the biggest changes in the last 40 years: a new political model and a new economic model.”
It's one thing to have an unelected PM if the new guy's just carrying on what the old guy was doing. But to promise the biggest changes in 40 years with no mandate from the people to do that, is ridiculous. That's an abuse of our democratic system.
Fvck off, no one voted for you. |
Bring back the lettuce and her true blue budget. Or Rishi ? I think we know where you stand. | |
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| Andy Burnham on 18:12 - Jul 20 with 10498 views | cocklebreath |
| Andy Burnham on 18:08 - Jul 20 by Heisenberg |
Bring back the lettuce and her true blue budget. Or Rishi ? I think we know where you stand. |
Or Boris the bullsh!tter | |
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| Andy Burnham on 18:14 - Jul 20 with 10479 views | kernow |
Yep I remember Chesh. Just like then, no referendum required. [Post edited 20 Jul 18:15]
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| Andy Burnham on 18:43 - Jul 20 with 10440 views | Ifonly |
| Andy Burnham on 18:08 - Jul 20 by Heisenberg |
Bring back the lettuce and her true blue budget. Or Rishi ? I think we know where you stand. |
Truss was the same as Burnham: promising radical change with no mandate. She deserved to go. If Burnham means what he says about radical change, then he deserves to go for the same reason.
If he called a general election, told us what he was going to do and was elected after a robust debate, then fair enough and good luck to him. If he doesn't do that then he has no legitimacy. | | | |
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