| The FA report 14:34 - May 8 with 1824 views | simmo |
http://t.co/bbNVjFQez0
Damning statistics and wholsesale change is needed, agree with a lot of the changes proposed although this B team proposal is dog toffee, absolutely no consideration for the congealed unimportant 'FL72' or those even lower than that.
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| The FA report on 14:42 - May 8 with 1375 views | daveB |
none of it will actually happen.
Prem clubs already have a B team league, utterly pointless [Post edited 8 May 2014 14:44]
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| The FA report on 14:47 - May 8 with 1356 views | queensparkdanger |
Agreed with the grassroots stuff, level 1 coaches are not adequate to develop kids and the availability of playing time in our area for kids is woeful.. |  | | |
| The FA report on 14:54 - May 8 with 1332 views | simmo |
I agree with lots of the problems and solutions highlighted, I even agree that the B teams will have a positive impact on our national teams, but it will be at the severe detriment of our domestic lower leagues. The EPPP has already heavily weighted favour to the biggest teams and this will make it worse. They use Germany as an example and barometer for success, which I found interesting after they are due for the 3rd reform of the system and it's seen as doing more harm than good
http://www.wsc.co.uk/the-archive/923-Europe/598-the-killer-bs
The FA report raises 5 key concerns, none of which mention the impact on lower league teams other than what league they would be in.
Why don't they just ship every team that's not in the Premiership off to Australia or something, let us piss about with our unimportant games while the real football of the premiership can be played without distractions. [Post edited 8 May 2014 14:57]
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| The FA report on 14:58 - May 8 with 1306 views | daveB |
the b team idea is crackers. We have a brilliant football league and non league, load of clubs for these kids to go and learn and we do nothing.
How about the FA develop coaches having tons of them at the highest level of qualification and get them working at clubs at all levels improving players at all levels and developing the next generation of players, managers and coaches.
Oh no far better to just give the prem clubs another tv deal to sell | | | |
| The FA report on 15:03 - May 8 with 1291 views | queensparkdanger |
| The FA report on 14:58 - May 8 by daveB |
the b team idea is crackers. We have a brilliant football league and non league, load of clubs for these kids to go and learn and we do nothing.
How about the FA develop coaches having tons of them at the highest level of qualification and get them working at clubs at all levels improving players at all levels and developing the next generation of players, managers and coaches.
Oh no far better to just give the prem clubs another tv deal to sell |
I passionately agree that we don't have enough qualified coaches coaches, from kids football to senior teams. If we don't have this in place who is going to nurture the future talent?. With the amount of money in the game at the moment this can be overhauled and improved very quickly with investment, but I fear we are aiming for the quickest fix on the bottom line which in my opinion is not where we should be starting.
At least the questions have been asked, the answers are the most important thing now, i.e. what will they actually do!! | | | |
| The FA report on 15:21 - May 8 with 1254 views | DANRANGER |
Just heard Collymore slating the ideas. His belief is we should just go back to the reserve teams and the leagues mirror the 1st team so you go up and down as they do. Young players get to play with experienced players. Not really sure what the answer is but i'm not sold on this B team idea. Our lower leagues are far more competitive than say the Spanish/Italian leagues so it's of no real benefit to anyone other than the top 7 PL teams.
I haven't read into the proposals in depth so apologies if they've covered it but the loan system is an issue for me. My belief is players shouldn't be able to be loaned over the age of 21. It just gives the richer teams more control and they can then buy more players knowing they can loan them out but still have a controlling interest. Also, you shouldn't be able to loan to teams in the same league. |  | | |
| The FA report on 15:21 - May 8 with 1252 views | runningman75 |
They talk about banning non EU players playing outside the Premier League. Who would play left back for us? |  | | |
| The FA report on 15:22 - May 8 with 1249 views | Jamie |
| The FA report on 14:58 - May 8 by daveB |
the b team idea is crackers. We have a brilliant football league and non league, load of clubs for these kids to go and learn and we do nothing.
How about the FA develop coaches having tons of them at the highest level of qualification and get them working at clubs at all levels improving players at all levels and developing the next generation of players, managers and coaches.
Oh no far better to just give the prem clubs another tv deal to sell |
It's mental to fans of the 72 league clubs + non-league clubs.
Fans of the 20 PL clubs & the PL itself couldn't give two shits about them though. | | | |
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| The FA report on 15:25 - May 8 with 1238 views | toboboly |
FA are incompetant. With only Gradi on the panel to champion the lower leagues all of us outside the PL don't stand a chance. |  |
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| The FA report on 15:35 - May 8 with 1205 views | aston_hoop |
No restrictions on Premiership teams picking up lower league youngsters and leaving them to rot? |  |
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| The FA report on 15:47 - May 8 with 1171 views | daveB |
| The FA report on 15:35 - May 8 by aston_hoop |
No restrictions on Premiership teams picking up lower league youngsters and leaving them to rot? |
of course not, instead create a league to encourage that | | | |
| The FA report on 16:07 - May 8 with 1111 views | simmo |
| The FA report on 15:47 - May 8 by daveB |
of course not, instead create a league to encourage that |
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| The FA report on 17:16 - May 8 with 1041 views | stansleftfoot |
Greg Dyke is a nightmare! I haven't read the report but I've always thought:
No Football Pitch's the right size for Kids to play on, coach and play with a smaller ball under 15 years old, improve coaching standards at school and county level.
Return to Combination League Football ( reserve teams ) at three or four levels with a Cup Competition.
Make Football Players pay for their own Agents and contracts, and let the Football League charge the Clubs for running the " Combination" using this money, or some of it. It's not a lot but £120 million a year would make a difference.
Football Clubs must have more home bred players on their books. | | | |
| The FA report on 17:21 - May 8 with 1030 views | paulparker |
so all that's gonna happen is a load of promising kids play in a B League , which is about league 3 standard, and that's going to win us the World Cup
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| The FA report on 17:34 - May 8 with 1011 views | Jigsore |
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| The FA report on 17:41 - May 8 with 1002 views | Northernr |
Is one of the biggest problems England wise at the moment not the hoarding of any British teenager who looks half decent by the big clubs who then put them under a glass ceiling on top of which sits all their £35m Brazilian and Spanish midfield players? You see it at Tottenham and Chelsea all the time, hoovering up talent they have little intention of ever using, simply to prevent a rival club having it. You see players like Scott Sinclair who should have gone on to be an England regular never playing a game, except when he goes out on loan somewhere.
How on earth is giving the Premier League clubs a whole new dumping ground for said hoarded talent going to address that? Anybody who ever looks like they might be a player at QPR, Charlton, Brentford etc is going to be hoovered up and slung into a team with all the other promising boys and waste years of their career bullying the likes of Bury and Luton.
It's just Premier League, Premier League, Premier League. What about clubs like Orient , Yoevil, Rotherham and Fleetwood who are building steadily and rising up through the lower leagues organically, suddenly losing points and league places to Manchester United B? "The B Teams will not be able to be promoted higher than League One" - so league One and Two don't matter then? What happens if Liverpool, Chelsea, Man Utd, Arsenal and Spurs B finish as the top five in League One? Does six and seven get promoted and we have a play off between 8,9, 10 and 11?
How about a rule that says no English player under 21 can move from a Football League Club to a Premier League club until he's played 50 first team matches? How about that? How about we get some of these players playing some fcking proper football?
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| The FA report on 17:42 - May 8 with 997 views | Esgaroth |
Im pretty sure Greg Dyke was referring to us when he said on the wembley pitch that teams from the championship may be punished like Manc Cithe have been with regard to fair play rules. [Post edited 8 May 2014 17:43]
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| The FA report on 17:59 - May 8 with 964 views | QPR_John |
| The FA report on 17:41 - May 8 by Northernr |
Is one of the biggest problems England wise at the moment not the hoarding of any British teenager who looks half decent by the big clubs who then put them under a glass ceiling on top of which sits all their £35m Brazilian and Spanish midfield players? You see it at Tottenham and Chelsea all the time, hoovering up talent they have little intention of ever using, simply to prevent a rival club having it. You see players like Scott Sinclair who should have gone on to be an England regular never playing a game, except when he goes out on loan somewhere.
How on earth is giving the Premier League clubs a whole new dumping ground for said hoarded talent going to address that? Anybody who ever looks like they might be a player at QPR, Charlton, Brentford etc is going to be hoovered up and slung into a team with all the other promising boys and waste years of their career bullying the likes of Bury and Luton.
It's just Premier League, Premier League, Premier League. What about clubs like Orient , Yoevil, Rotherham and Fleetwood who are building steadily and rising up through the lower leagues organically, suddenly losing points and league places to Manchester United B? "The B Teams will not be able to be promoted higher than League One" - so league One and Two don't matter then? What happens if Liverpool, Chelsea, Man Utd, Arsenal and Spurs B finish as the top five in League One? Does six and seven get promoted and we have a play off between 8,9, 10 and 11?
How about a rule that says no English player under 21 can move from a Football League Club to a Premier League club until he's played 50 first team matches? How about that? How about we get some of these players playing some fcking proper football?
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Excellent. Doubt it will make much difference but please send this to the FA | | | |
| The FA report on 18:10 - May 8 with 946 views | Juzzie |
The FA got into bed with Sky/PL some 20+ years ago and are now condeming the current state of football? (that we could all see coming back then)
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| The FA report on 18:35 - May 8 with 915 views | Match82 |
It's time the FA realized that they can't have it both ways.
By making the Premier League the "best league in the world" (arguable, but whatever) they are creating a situation where in order to be competitive, clubs have to have the best players. Obviously the swathes of money from Sky etc make this even more of an issue.
In fact, to have a chance of winning the title, you need a team of elite players. There are perhaps 5-6 elite English players in the world, therefore you're not going to win a league with a predominantly English team.
And that's before we start on the inflated fees for English players. And putting a minimum quota on these players is just going to inflate the prices, as well as encourage the big clubs to hoover this up more talent at an early age - both of which are amongst the biggest problems we have currently.
Before anybody mentions Spain as an example, there's a big difference there in that Barcelona and Real have been in a different league to the other teams for many years (yes, I realize Athletico are competing this year, but that's an exception rather than the norm) and so it is possible for just one club (Barca) to have a world class team which is composed primarily of Spanish players.
Not to mention that there are multiple times more "elite" Spanish players than there are English players.
We're a relatively small country, and football is one of many sports we attempt to be world class in. If we truly want to give the England national team the best chance of success, enforcing quotas on foreign players will help. But that's going to have a massively detrimental effect on the quality of football in the Premier League, which is not a compromise that anyone is going to be willing to make. |  | | |
| The FA report on 18:51 - May 8 with 895 views | Juzzie |
| The FA report on 18:35 - May 8 by Match82 |
It's time the FA realized that they can't have it both ways.
By making the Premier League the "best league in the world" (arguable, but whatever) they are creating a situation where in order to be competitive, clubs have to have the best players. Obviously the swathes of money from Sky etc make this even more of an issue.
In fact, to have a chance of winning the title, you need a team of elite players. There are perhaps 5-6 elite English players in the world, therefore you're not going to win a league with a predominantly English team.
And that's before we start on the inflated fees for English players. And putting a minimum quota on these players is just going to inflate the prices, as well as encourage the big clubs to hoover this up more talent at an early age - both of which are amongst the biggest problems we have currently.
Before anybody mentions Spain as an example, there's a big difference there in that Barcelona and Real have been in a different league to the other teams for many years (yes, I realize Athletico are competing this year, but that's an exception rather than the norm) and so it is possible for just one club (Barca) to have a world class team which is composed primarily of Spanish players.
Not to mention that there are multiple times more "elite" Spanish players than there are English players.
We're a relatively small country, and football is one of many sports we attempt to be world class in. If we truly want to give the England national team the best chance of success, enforcing quotas on foreign players will help. But that's going to have a massively detrimental effect on the quality of football in the Premier League, which is not a compromise that anyone is going to be willing to make. |
Yup.
Upon the creation of the Premiership (as it was then called) the FA said back in 1992 that it "would improve the National team."
To this day I still wonder who they were trying to kid, unless what they meant was improving the national teams of every other country as their players would be playing in the PL. | | | |
| The FA report on 18:55 - May 8 with 888 views | simmo |
| The FA report on 17:41 - May 8 by Northernr |
Is one of the biggest problems England wise at the moment not the hoarding of any British teenager who looks half decent by the big clubs who then put them under a glass ceiling on top of which sits all their £35m Brazilian and Spanish midfield players? You see it at Tottenham and Chelsea all the time, hoovering up talent they have little intention of ever using, simply to prevent a rival club having it. You see players like Scott Sinclair who should have gone on to be an England regular never playing a game, except when he goes out on loan somewhere.
How on earth is giving the Premier League clubs a whole new dumping ground for said hoarded talent going to address that? Anybody who ever looks like they might be a player at QPR, Charlton, Brentford etc is going to be hoovered up and slung into a team with all the other promising boys and waste years of their career bullying the likes of Bury and Luton.
It's just Premier League, Premier League, Premier League. What about clubs like Orient , Yoevil, Rotherham and Fleetwood who are building steadily and rising up through the lower leagues organically, suddenly losing points and league places to Manchester United B? "The B Teams will not be able to be promoted higher than League One" - so league One and Two don't matter then? What happens if Liverpool, Chelsea, Man Utd, Arsenal and Spurs B finish as the top five in League One? Does six and seven get promoted and we have a play off between 8,9, 10 and 11?
How about a rule that says no English player under 21 can move from a Football League Club to a Premier League club until he's played 50 first team matches? How about that? How about we get some of these players playing some fcking proper football?
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I think Yeovil have closed their academy, essentially realising that it costs them 2m to run and now with EPPP any chance of recouping that investment by selling to Man U etc is gone, as they can come in and get them for about 25k.
They actually spoke in the report about B teams occupying more than 2-3 of the play off places and essentially said 'it's never happened in the other countries excpet once' so they will review the system in 4 years time.... | |
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| The FA report on 19:20 - May 8 with 851 views | 1BobbyHazell |
If taken up this undoubtedly sounds the death knell for football as we know it here. Straight off from the slimy PR advised marketing bullshite of it as 'improving the national team' to the handing over of control of English football to the richest clubs.
On top of totally destroying the genuine competitive element of leagues 1 and 2, this part - "the Commission recommends a new strategic loan partnership system that would allow clubs to loan up to eight players to a single Football League side and retain more control over them.", even ends a truly competitive Championship. A big Premiership side can just choose whichever Championship club agrees to kiss the most arse and hand over the most control to it by rewarding it with 8 (8ffs) of the high level youngsters (and older players) that they currently so wastefully hoover up.
The Premiership big boys have been looking at how they can further their grip on all of domestic football for a while, the increase in many foreign owners who have absolutely no ties to the community has just sped up the efficency and callousness of the operation. The destruction of small, local community based clubs around the country that is the bedrock of our game is a complete irrelevance to them and their global market aspirations.
This is NOTHING to do with improving the national team (and even if it was, f**k off, it's not worth ruining the beautiful structure and nature of OUR, the people's, football just in some vain hope that we will win a world cup one day) It's all about Big Clubs control and cash. Nothing more.
In fact I note that Hodgson was on the panel, well here's a cracking idea for improving our chances at a major tournament, sack Roy and find a coach who's heyday, geographically and cronologically, wasn't quite so akin to ABBA's. |  | | |
| The FA report on 20:14 - May 8 with 787 views | WatfordR |
All a load of nonsense IMO, which stems from the incorrect assumption that English national performances are declning. The technical capabilities (I refrain from describing them as "qualities" for the vast majority) of England's internatonals haven't declined, it's simply that the supposedly inferior continental teams have improved to the extent that don't roll over and die any more. England have largely never been capable of performing internationally at the same level as the true international heavyweghts, and the idea that they would be capable of winnng a World Cup by beating any three from Brazil, Argie, Germany, Italy, France, Spain, Holland or Portugal in the same tourney is and always has been ludicrous. |  | | |
| The FA report on 21:14 - May 8 with 744 views | daveB |
Clive summed it up better than I can but I find it amusing that the whole plan is built around the worry that these kids can't get a game, Dyke, Hoddle and co all saying the prem club have all this talent and nowhere for them to play. The simple answer is put them in your own first team if you care so much about developing them.
If they are not good enough for your first team sell them to one of the other 91 clubs where they can play every week.
Simple really.
The real issues about clubs stock piling players and the lack of qualified coaches has been completely ignored | | | |
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