| Alarm bells ringing after another Barnsley humbling - Report on 17:53 - Oct 28 with 2684 views | Antti_Heinola |
Thanks Clive, can't have been pleasant to write.
To my shame (I have never left a game early), I slammed the laptop shut 0.2 seconds after the second went in and did something else more enjoyable - slicing my cheek into wafer thin pieces and then frying them up to feed to my cat. Watching us lose that badly is awful if you're there, but it's worse on a fn screen.
I thought the Dickie challenge was especially irritating because Dieng might have got there. It annoyed me that time Green did it v Forest years back and this annoyed me too. Giving away a penalty is so much worse than just accepting what's happening. 1-0, but we're in charge with 11 men. Or maybe Dieng saves it.
To be honest, glad it was only three. But we need something and fast. |  |
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| Alarm bells ringing after another Barnsley humbling - Report on 18:44 - Oct 28 with 2488 views | LongsufferingR |
"Walton N/A"
Nuff said |  | | |
| Alarm bells ringing after another Barnsley humbling - Report on 19:15 - Oct 28 with 2385 views | daveB |
I thought the rules had changed over penalties so if you are last man and give one away it's a yellow card now as they still have a goalscoring opportunity. Thats what happened in the Liverpool game last night anyway |  | | |
| Alarm bells ringing after another Barnsley humbling - Report on 19:17 - Oct 28 with 2379 views | Northernr |
| Alarm bells ringing after another Barnsley humbling - Report on 19:15 - Oct 28 by daveB |
I thought the rules had changed over penalties so if you are last man and give one away it's a yellow card now as they still have a goalscoring opportunity. Thats what happened in the Liverpool game last night anyway |
You have to be making a genuine attempt to play at the ball. If you just grab hold of somebody and pull them back it’s still a red. |  | | |
| Alarm bells ringing after another Barnsley humbling - Report on 19:53 - Oct 28 with 2269 views | T_Block |
Clive cannot agree-if I were you i would give it a rest.
Come up with some positive suggestions. |  | | |
| Alarm bells ringing after another Barnsley humbling - Report on 19:56 - Oct 28 with 2255 views | daveB |
| Alarm bells ringing after another Barnsley humbling - Report on 19:17 - Oct 28 by Northernr |
You have to be making a genuine attempt to play at the ball. If you just grab hold of somebody and pull them back it’s still a red. |
that makes sense, I did wonder why no one seemed to be arguing his case last night so assumed the rule was different | | | |
| Alarm bells ringing after another Barnsley humbling - Report on 20:49 - Oct 28 with 2080 views | jtuck |
Most of last season Warburton seemed to prefer one up front, especially after a rather unsuccessful experiment with Wells and Hugill as a duo. So, why the stubborn insistence on Bonne and Dykes even to the point of persisting with it when down to 10 men? You gave Chair who only had 31 minutes a rating of 6 which seems fair and that was more than Ball and LTC who got to stay on. Also thought 2 for Barbet more than fair with your point about balletic sliding and diving in well made. Kakay not great but thought his effort was still there.
Think Bonne needs time out of the team. Would go 5 at back for Cardiff with Kakay moving inside alongside Masterson and Barbet, and Kane and the Finn as wing backs. Cameron back in. One up front and play solid Schteeve backs-to-the-wall ball. Expect to hear a lot about 'physicality' of Cardiff team and praise for 'Neil' as their manager from Warbs in the build-up to the game. | |
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| Alarm bells ringing after another Barnsley humbling - Report on 21:41 - Oct 28 with 1948 views | Myke |
| Alarm bells ringing after another Barnsley humbling - Report on 20:49 - Oct 28 by jtuck |
Most of last season Warburton seemed to prefer one up front, especially after a rather unsuccessful experiment with Wells and Hugill as a duo. So, why the stubborn insistence on Bonne and Dykes even to the point of persisting with it when down to 10 men? You gave Chair who only had 31 minutes a rating of 6 which seems fair and that was more than Ball and LTC who got to stay on. Also thought 2 for Barbet more than fair with your point about balletic sliding and diving in well made. Kakay not great but thought his effort was still there.
Think Bonne needs time out of the team. Would go 5 at back for Cardiff with Kakay moving inside alongside Masterson and Barbet, and Kane and the Finn as wing backs. Cameron back in. One up front and play solid Schteeve backs-to-the-wall ball. Expect to hear a lot about 'physicality' of Cardiff team and praise for 'Neil' as their manager from Warbs in the build-up to the game. |
Dickie suspended jtuck so unlikely to be 5 at the back. Looking forward to Masterson getting a game though | | | |
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| Alarm bells ringing after another Barnsley humbling - Report on 22:34 - Oct 28 with 1815 views | CLAREMAN1995 |
That is brilliant writing and despite the humor it gives those of us who missed it a great inside look at the disaster that has become QPR.Its been a pathetic week and as someone mentioned meeting Cardiff right now is horrible timing .
Not scoring goals at any level is a killer but here with games coming thick and fast a losing streak without goals can destroy a club fast.
Lets hope we can grab a win Saturday the entire QPR universe needs one |  | | |
| Alarm bells ringing after another Barnsley humbling - Report on 00:00 - Oct 29 with 1694 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Thanks Clive.
Not sure how you made that enjoyable, but you did. |  |
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| Alarm bells ringing after another Barnsley humbling - Report on 00:16 - Oct 29 with 1671 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Alarm bells ringing after another Barnsley humbling - Report on 22:34 - Oct 28 by CLAREMAN1995 |
That is brilliant writing and despite the humor it gives those of us who missed it a great inside look at the disaster that has become QPR.Its been a pathetic week and as someone mentioned meeting Cardiff right now is horrible timing .
Not scoring goals at any level is a killer but here with games coming thick and fast a losing streak without goals can destroy a club fast.
Lets hope we can grab a win Saturday the entire QPR universe needs one |
I wouldn't worry too much about Cardiff though we will miss Dickie in the air.
I worry far more about teams that swamp our midfield. | |
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| Alarm bells ringing after another Barnsley humbling - Report on 10:33 - Oct 29 with 1359 views | PinnerPaul |
| Alarm bells ringing after another Barnsley humbling - Report on 19:17 - Oct 28 by Northernr |
You have to be making a genuine attempt to play at the ball. If you just grab hold of somebody and pull them back it’s still a red. |
Yep - also if serious foul play or violent conduct - that's still a pen as well.
Given what's happened this season and last (when law change came in) ANY attempt for the ball with feet/legs has almost always been given as a yellow card, so all in all a pretty stupid challenge.
However, as can be seen from the reaction of the players they don't know the laws more often than not.
Happens in games all the time that players are asking for/objecting to something that is contrary to law. | | | |
| Alarm bells ringing after another Barnsley humbling - Report on 10:34 - Oct 29 with 1357 views | Northernr |
| Alarm bells ringing after another Barnsley humbling - Report on 10:33 - Oct 29 by PinnerPaul |
Yep - also if serious foul play or violent conduct - that's still a pen as well.
Given what's happened this season and last (when law change came in) ANY attempt for the ball with feet/legs has almost always been given as a yellow card, so all in all a pretty stupid challenge.
However, as can be seen from the reaction of the players they don't know the laws more often than not.
Happens in games all the time that players are asking for/objecting to something that is contrary to law. |
Their objection seemed to be more that the ball had already run through to Dieng, though that would only make the pull back even more stupid. | | | |
| Alarm bells ringing after another Barnsley humbling - Report on 10:34 - Oct 29 with 1355 views | PinnerPaul |
| Alarm bells ringing after another Barnsley humbling - Report on 19:56 - Oct 28 by daveB |
that makes sense, I did wonder why no one seemed to be arguing his case last night so assumed the rule was different |
I thought lots WERE arguing his case - pretty pointlessly as I've just said. | | | |
| Alarm bells ringing after another Barnsley humbling - Report on 11:18 - Oct 29 with 1306 views | francisbowles |
| Alarm bells ringing after another Barnsley humbling - Report on 10:34 - Oct 29 by PinnerPaul |
I thought lots WERE arguing his case - pretty pointlessly as I've just said. |
The challenge was stupid. The problem I think, is that it is almost an automatic reaction from Dickie. A habit which is going to be difficult for him to break. Clive has identified two previous occasions and I am pretty sure there have been others.
As for the players arguing for him, you have to try! My thoughts were, and I can't bring myself view it again, that it was going to run through to Dieng. It was a while before the commentary team realised that he had been sent off. I wasn't sure whether it was red or yellow on my stream as from the angle he showed it we only really saw the edge of the card.
Many on here are always saying our players are too nice and need to get in the ear of the ref, like other teams do. So, obviously I don't expect you to agree Pinner, we can can hardly complain when they do try to influence the ref. There are enough faults already to hammer them for. | | | |
| Alarm bells ringing after another Barnsley humbling - Report on 11:58 - Oct 29 with 1249 views | Myke |
| Alarm bells ringing after another Barnsley humbling - Report on 11:18 - Oct 29 by francisbowles |
The challenge was stupid. The problem I think, is that it is almost an automatic reaction from Dickie. A habit which is going to be difficult for him to break. Clive has identified two previous occasions and I am pretty sure there have been others.
As for the players arguing for him, you have to try! My thoughts were, and I can't bring myself view it again, that it was going to run through to Dieng. It was a while before the commentary team realised that he had been sent off. I wasn't sure whether it was red or yellow on my stream as from the angle he showed it we only really saw the edge of the card.
Many on here are always saying our players are too nice and need to get in the ear of the ref, like other teams do. So, obviously I don't expect you to agree Pinner, we can can hardly complain when they do try to influence the ref. There are enough faults already to hammer them for. |
A top GAA player was once asked about the futility of arguing with the ref because they never reverse their decision .'I know' he said, 'but you might get the next one in your favour'. We are deffo too nice and have been since Derry left | | | |
| Alarm bells ringing after another Barnsley humbling - Report on 12:25 - Oct 29 with 1179 views | Northernr |
If they're through on goal and it's a clear and obvious goalscoring chance outside the area then I think you still get a red card regardless of whether you were playing at the ball or not. For penalties you get to stay on with a yellow card if it's a genuine attempt at the ball because it's figured that the penalty is punishment enough. | | | |
| Alarm bells ringing after another Barnsley humbling - Report on 12:31 - Oct 29 with 1157 views | PinnerPaul |
| Alarm bells ringing after another Barnsley humbling - Report on 10:34 - Oct 29 by Northernr |
Their objection seemed to be more that the ball had already run through to Dieng, though that would only make the pull back even more stupid. |
Well yes it had ...........................but only because the Barnsley player had been hauled to the floor! 
Its like when players moan about not allowing the advantage, the advantage is often only there because the other team have stopped on the whistle! | | | |
| Alarm bells ringing after another Barnsley humbling - Report on 12:32 - Oct 29 with 1154 views | daveB |
| Alarm bells ringing after another Barnsley humbling - Report on 10:34 - Oct 29 by PinnerPaul |
I thought lots WERE arguing his case - pretty pointlessly as I've just said. |
meant more on here rather than the players but I didn't know that was how the rule worked so can see why now. | | | |
| Alarm bells ringing after another Barnsley humbling - Report on 12:34 - Oct 29 with 1147 views | PinnerPaul |
| Alarm bells ringing after another Barnsley humbling - Report on 11:18 - Oct 29 by francisbowles |
The challenge was stupid. The problem I think, is that it is almost an automatic reaction from Dickie. A habit which is going to be difficult for him to break. Clive has identified two previous occasions and I am pretty sure there have been others.
As for the players arguing for him, you have to try! My thoughts were, and I can't bring myself view it again, that it was going to run through to Dieng. It was a while before the commentary team realised that he had been sent off. I wasn't sure whether it was red or yellow on my stream as from the angle he showed it we only really saw the edge of the card.
Many on here are always saying our players are too nice and need to get in the ear of the ref, like other teams do. So, obviously I don't expect you to agree Pinner, we can can hardly complain when they do try to influence the ref. There are enough faults already to hammer them for. |
No I don't blame them - you have to expect some moaning at a red card/penalty decision.
Personally it gets my goat when players/fans get excited about a throw in the 'wrong' way on halfway or something equally as trivial. | | | |
| Alarm bells ringing after another Barnsley humbling - Report on 12:37 - Oct 29 with 1135 views | PinnerPaul |
| Alarm bells ringing after another Barnsley humbling - Report on 12:25 - Oct 29 by Northernr |
If they're through on goal and it's a clear and obvious goalscoring chance outside the area then I think you still get a red card regardless of whether you were playing at the ball or not. For penalties you get to stay on with a yellow card if it's a genuine attempt at the ball because it's figured that the penalty is punishment enough. |
Spot on Clive.
As it makes a refreshing change from all the other discussion on here, just thought I would mention that I think the pull on Willock was a foul and would possibly have been a red card BUT I think he was offside. Think I saw the referee give a thumbs up to AR - as ball was GK he played the advantage.
On your other point, I genuinely don't remember the pull back on Kane - annoying 'Arsene Wenger' defence I know - sorry about that!  | | | |
| Alarm bells ringing after another Barnsley humbling - Report on 12:38 - Oct 29 with 1130 views | PinnerPaul |
| Alarm bells ringing after another Barnsley humbling - Report on 12:32 - Oct 29 by daveB |
meant more on here rather than the players but I didn't know that was how the rule worked so can see why now. |
Sorry Dave - yep see what you mean now. | | | |
| Alarm bells ringing after another Barnsley humbling - Report on 12:45 - Oct 29 with 1106 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Alarm bells ringing after another Barnsley humbling - Report on 12:34 - Oct 29 by PinnerPaul |
No I don't blame them - you have to expect some moaning at a red card/penalty decision.
Personally it gets my goat when players/fans get excited about a throw in the 'wrong' way on halfway or something equally as trivial. |
Hmm...
Dispassionately, I completely agree.
But as a fan, comments like that only serve the argument that too many refs don't 'get' the game. If you're chasing a game and are applying pressure and desperate for an equaliser, a wrong decision even as trivial as a throw in is intensely frustrating. If you, or other refs, can't see that, or understand it, even if you disagree with it, I worry a bit! | |
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| Alarm bells ringing after another Barnsley humbling - Report on 13:20 - Oct 29 with 1045 views | Myke |
| Alarm bells ringing after another Barnsley humbling - Report on 12:45 - Oct 29 by Antti_Heinola |
Hmm...
Dispassionately, I completely agree.
But as a fan, comments like that only serve the argument that too many refs don't 'get' the game. If you're chasing a game and are applying pressure and desperate for an equaliser, a wrong decision even as trivial as a throw in is intensely frustrating. If you, or other refs, can't see that, or understand it, even if you disagree with it, I worry a bit! |
To add to Annti's comment, my own view would be that if they (officials) get 'trivial' matters clearly wrong ( and you can argue that ceding possession due to a wrong call isn't trivial in the first place) then how can they be trusted on the major decisions?
Of course refs are human Paul, and mistakes by players officials and management are part and parcel of the game, but I think it's important that refs understand the potential significance of every call they make - 'trivial' or otherwise | | | |
| Alarm bells ringing after another Barnsley humbling - Report on 13:23 - Oct 29 with 804 views | PinnerPaul |
| Alarm bells ringing after another Barnsley humbling - Report on 12:45 - Oct 29 by Antti_Heinola |
Hmm...
Dispassionately, I completely agree.
But as a fan, comments like that only serve the argument that too many refs don't 'get' the game. If you're chasing a game and are applying pressure and desperate for an equaliser, a wrong decision even as trivial as a throw in is intensely frustrating. If you, or other refs, can't see that, or understand it, even if you disagree with it, I worry a bit! |
OK I understand it in your VERY SPECIFIC example, think you've rather unfairly added a load of caveats to my statement that simply weren't there.
Believe me I've had teams/managers get excited about such decisions when 6-0 up or 7-0 down! [Post edited 29 Oct 2020 13:23]
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