| Is Robbo in trouble? on 14:24 - Feb 12 with 5368 views | smegma |
What a div. A long ban beckons. |  | |  |
| Is Robbo in trouble? on 14:28 - Feb 12 with 5344 views | Harbour |
Looks like Jota caught him in first challenge and no more than a push by Robbo in return and Jota makes a big deal of it let’s hope we hear no more about it | | | |
| Is Robbo in trouble? on 14:30 - Feb 12 with 5332 views | essextaxiboy |
The Wolves bloke, hung his leg back to kick him on the floor. The red mist looks to have descended because he obviously went looking for him . In true Rangers style only our bloke will get punished .. |  | | |
| Is Robbo in trouble? on 14:39 - Feb 12 with 5270 views | Toast_R |
Not sure the footage is really good enough to give a defining verdict one way or the other. |  | | |
| Is Robbo in trouble? on 14:44 - Feb 12 with 5255 views | isawqpratwcity |
You can slow it down to quarter speed to make it easier to view.
It was recorded from a bad angle, JR is behind Jota and you can't see what he is doing, only his arm dropping afterwards as Jota goes down. It's only an assumption that JR struck him, you'd need video from another angle to determine what contact took place.
What I find interesting is the lack of reaction from their goalie when he is in a much better position to see what occured.
Edit: Sorry, our goalie! Ok, so no reaction is not so strange. You'd still need a better view than that clip. [Post edited 12 Feb 2018 14:51]
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| Is Robbo in trouble? on 14:46 - Feb 12 with 5230 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| Is Robbo in trouble? on 14:44 - Feb 12 by isawqpratwcity |
You can slow it down to quarter speed to make it easier to view.
It was recorded from a bad angle, JR is behind Jota and you can't see what he is doing, only his arm dropping afterwards as Jota goes down. It's only an assumption that JR struck him, you'd need video from another angle to determine what contact took place.
What I find interesting is the lack of reaction from their goalie when he is in a much better position to see what occured.
Edit: Sorry, our goalie! Ok, so no reaction is not so strange. You'd still need a better view than that clip. [Post edited 12 Feb 2018 14:51]
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| Is Robbo in trouble? on 14:54 - Feb 12 with 5199 views | WestbourneR |
Nah there is not enough in that. The little s***e Jota goes down to try and make something of it. |  |
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| Is Robbo in trouble? on 15:03 - Feb 12 with 5158 views | RBlock |
| Is Robbo in trouble? on 14:44 - Feb 12 by isawqpratwcity |
You can slow it down to quarter speed to make it easier to view.
It was recorded from a bad angle, JR is behind Jota and you can't see what he is doing, only his arm dropping afterwards as Jota goes down. It's only an assumption that JR struck him, you'd need video from another angle to determine what contact took place.
What I find interesting is the lack of reaction from their goalie when he is in a much better position to see what occured.
Edit: Sorry, our goalie! Ok, so no reaction is not so strange. You'd still need a better view than that clip. [Post edited 12 Feb 2018 14:51]
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Whilst everything you say is right, it would only have to be proven to the civil standard, i.e. what happened on the balance of probabilities? So whilst you would need another angle to determine categorically what happened, what will be assessed is on the basis of the video provided, is it more likely that JR struck Jota than not?
IMO, given the way JR's arm moves up towards Jota, I'd say he will be lucky to escape a ban. |  | | |
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| Is Robbo in trouble? on 15:18 - Feb 12 with 5094 views | isawqpratwcity |
| Is Robbo in trouble? on 15:03 - Feb 12 by RBlock |
Whilst everything you say is right, it would only have to be proven to the civil standard, i.e. what happened on the balance of probabilities? So whilst you would need another angle to determine categorically what happened, what will be assessed is on the basis of the video provided, is it more likely that JR struck Jota than not?
IMO, given the way JR's arm moves up towards Jota, I'd say he will be lucky to escape a ban. |
I'd agree that it is quite likely that he did strike him, but you can't rule out a reasonable risk that Jota is overreacting to little or no contact just to gain advantage. If a referee doesn't see sufficient contact between a defender and a striker when the striker goes down, must he always give the benefit of uncertainty to the striker? How is a tribunal any different? | |
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| Is Robbo in trouble? on 15:38 - Feb 12 with 4999 views | RANGERS4EVER |
Youtube headline says hit in the face hahaha don't know what they think they saw but it is clear he lightly taps him on the shoulder in a bit of handbags and in he goes down like he has been shot. Handbags happen in football. You see stuff like that happen from every corner kick. Nothing in it. Will probably get a ban anyway though
Even their own fans disagree https://www.molineuxmix.co.uk/index.php?threads/201473/ [Post edited 12 Feb 2018 15:57]
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| Is Robbo in trouble? on 15:43 - Feb 12 with 4966 views | LunarJetman |
So its trial by fan mobile phone footage now is it? |  | | |
| Is Robbo in trouble? on 15:48 - Feb 12 with 4946 views | RBlock |
| Is Robbo in trouble? on 15:18 - Feb 12 by isawqpratwcity |
I'd agree that it is quite likely that he did strike him, but you can't rule out a reasonable risk that Jota is overreacting to little or no contact just to gain advantage. If a referee doesn't see sufficient contact between a defender and a striker when the striker goes down, must he always give the benefit of uncertainty to the striker? How is a tribunal any different? |
Because it is judged on probabilities, not reasonable doubt. Same way Captain Leader Racist got found Not Guilty at Court of a racially aggravated public order offence, because it couldn't be proven beyond reasonable doubt, whilst he was found more likely to have said the words than not, at the FA's tribunal and was subsequently banned. They don't have to be certain. | | | |
| Is Robbo in trouble? on 15:53 - Feb 12 with 4903 views | loftboy |
Would have been a penalty if seen by officials, not a patch on Fenwick elbow into Ardiles throat at White Hart Lane just after Ardiles had goaded Mark Dennis into a red card. |  |
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| Is Robbo in trouble? on 15:54 - Feb 12 with 4901 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| Is Robbo in trouble? on 15:38 - Feb 12 by RANGERS4EVER |
Youtube headline says hit in the face hahaha don't know what they think they saw but it is clear he lightly taps him on the shoulder in a bit of handbags and in he goes down like he has been shot. Handbags happen in football. You see stuff like that happen from every corner kick. Nothing in it. Will probably get a ban anyway though
Even their own fans disagree https://www.molineuxmix.co.uk/index.php?threads/201473/ [Post edited 12 Feb 2018 15:57]
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slowed down to 1/4 it looks like a tap on the shoulder to me. | |
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| Is Robbo in trouble? on 15:56 - Feb 12 with 4894 views | Harbour |
| Is Robbo in trouble? on 15:18 - Feb 12 by isawqpratwcity |
I'd agree that it is quite likely that he did strike him, but you can't rule out a reasonable risk that Jota is overreacting to little or no contact just to gain advantage. If a referee doesn't see sufficient contact between a defender and a striker when the striker goes down, must he always give the benefit of uncertainty to the striker? How is a tribunal any different? |
IF they look at Robbo elbow they will have to look at the first challenge as well, should be no further action but knowing our luck he will get a ban... | | | |
| Is Robbo in trouble? on 16:17 - Feb 12 with 4818 views | isawqpratwcity |
| Is Robbo in trouble? on 15:48 - Feb 12 by RBlock |
Because it is judged on probabilities, not reasonable doubt. Same way Captain Leader Racist got found Not Guilty at Court of a racially aggravated public order offence, because it couldn't be proven beyond reasonable doubt, whilst he was found more likely to have said the words than not, at the FA's tribunal and was subsequently banned. They don't have to be certain. |
But with Terry's case didn't they have the independent complaint of a copper, ie a credible witness, who heard it?.
That video really doesn't show anything except Jota going down as Robinson's arm is dropping. There is nothing to indicate that any contact took place at all, so again I ask, why does Jota get, in the absence of additional video, the benefit of the very considerable doubt?
If you thought that it was 55% likely that JR decked him and 45% that Jota dived after insignificant or no contact, would that attract sanction for Robinson? I don't think so.
Edit: I'm not arguing this because he's our player. Because of the angle of that video, I don't see this as sufficiently conclusive, even at a lower standard of proof. [Post edited 12 Feb 2018 16:32]
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| Is Robbo in trouble? on 16:24 - Feb 12 with 4785 views | CliveWilsonSaid |
It doesn't look much to me. Would have been a harsh red if the ref had seen it in the match. Probably a yellow card for being stupid. Jota clearly makes a meal of it. Robinson should get a warning at worse. |  |
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| Is Robbo in trouble? on 16:39 - Feb 12 with 4720 views | colinallcars |
Unless there is further footage from a better angle he should be OK. They surely can't punish him on the film we've seen. |  | | |
| Is Robbo in trouble? on 16:39 - Feb 12 with 4718 views | bosh67 |
| Is Robbo in trouble? on 16:24 - Feb 12 by CliveWilsonSaid |
It doesn't look much to me. Would have been a harsh red if the ref had seen it in the match. Probably a yellow card for being stupid. Jota clearly makes a meal of it. Robinson should get a warning at worse. |
Remember this is the FA. We'll probably get relegated and have Loftus Road turned into a supermarket! |  |
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| Is Robbo in trouble? on 16:42 - Feb 12 with 4708 views | bosh67 |
Look at the footage again. Jota puts his hand up to Robinson first. Only a fraction of a second before but it is his arm raised that Robinson reacts to and pushes away, sending Jota to the ground. A whole lot of nothing to be honest. | |
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| Is Robbo in trouble? on 16:56 - Feb 12 with 4663 views | RBlock |
| Is Robbo in trouble? on 16:17 - Feb 12 by isawqpratwcity |
But with Terry's case didn't they have the independent complaint of a copper, ie a credible witness, who heard it?.
That video really doesn't show anything except Jota going down as Robinson's arm is dropping. There is nothing to indicate that any contact took place at all, so again I ask, why does Jota get, in the absence of additional video, the benefit of the very considerable doubt?
If you thought that it was 55% likely that JR decked him and 45% that Jota dived after insignificant or no contact, would that attract sanction for Robinson? I don't think so.
Edit: I'm not arguing this because he's our player. Because of the angle of that video, I don't see this as sufficiently conclusive, even at a lower standard of proof. [Post edited 12 Feb 2018 16:32]
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I couldn't remember there being a independent witness statement from a copper. I've had a brief look back at the articles but couldn't see any mention of that, but I may be wrong. There was the video however.
As per the civil standard of proof, they will consider the two accounts and decide which was more likely. If they consider it more likely that JR engaged in violent conduct, than Jota diving under insignificant contact, then they would have to find JR guilty of violent conduct and ban him. Thems the rules (as I understand them to be). | | | |
| Is Robbo in trouble? on 17:01 - Feb 12 with 4626 views | simmo |
Absolutely fck all in that. |  |
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| Is Robbo in trouble? on 17:26 - Feb 12 with 4530 views | johncharles |
Didn't know anything about until it came on Sky a few minutes ago. The general opinion in the pub here is ..
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| Is Robbo in trouble? on 17:49 - Feb 12 with 4464 views | johncharles |
I hope Jota gets done for this. It would be good for the game. Minimal contact and tries to get another player banned. Little Sh1t I hope it all blows up in his face | |
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| Is Robbo in trouble? on 19:48 - Feb 12 with 4197 views | Jigsore |
Jota falls like someone who's already decided they're going down a few seconds ago |  |
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