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On the train back with today’s ref - any questions for him? on 19:37 - Aug 14 with 4638 viewsBoston

Why didn't he change clothes for the trip home?

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On the train back with today’s ref - any questions for him? on 19:41 - Aug 14 with 4603 viewsTripleR

Be nice to him, buy him a beer, it may pay dividends in the future...
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On the train back with today’s ref - any questions for him? on 19:45 - Aug 14 with 4574 viewsqpr_1968

favourite cheese

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On the train back with today’s ref - any questions for him? on 19:46 - Aug 14 with 4550 viewsnix

Is he ever slightly influenced by:
The crowd
Players whinging at him
How a decision might play out in the press.
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On the train back with today’s ref - any questions for him? on 19:55 - Aug 14 with 4476 viewsNorthernr

Good today but owes you a beer for Brentford away last year.
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On the train back with today’s ref - any questions for him? on 20:37 - Aug 14 with 4267 viewssmuttsontour

On the train back with today’s ref - any questions for him? on 19:55 - Aug 14 by Northernr

Good today but owes you a beer for Brentford away last year.


He said you owe him a beer for today.
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On the train back with today’s ref - any questions for him? on 21:29 - Aug 14 with 4015 viewsstainrods_elbow

Thanks for sending off Moncur - saw it again, and it was over the top and could have done real damage. (Still can't understand why he got all those slaps on the back from Rs players as he left the pitch.)

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On the train back with today’s ref - any questions for him? on 21:36 - Aug 14 with 3973 viewsderbyhoop

It was a red card all the way. It may not have been deliberate but it was reckless.

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On the train back with today’s ref - any questions for him? on 21:36 - Aug 14 with 3971 viewsLogman

I thought that was strange myself. But the game seems to have moved on since taking the knee, handshakes all round, kicking the ball out when players are injured etc etc. Not getting worked up seems to be part of the modus operandi. I'd be interested to know who directs that at the club.
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On the train back with today’s ref - any questions for him? on 21:45 - Aug 14 with 3903 viewsGloryHunter

Were you both in First Class?
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On the train back with today’s ref - any questions for him? on 22:12 - Aug 14 with 3814 viewsBoston

On the train back with today’s ref - any questions for him? on 21:45 - Aug 14 by GloryHunter

Were you both in First Class?


Did you not read the smutsontour bit?


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On the train back with today’s ref - any questions for him? on 22:47 - Aug 14 with 3717 viewssmuttsontour

On the train back with today’s ref - any questions for him? on 21:45 - Aug 14 by GloryHunter

Were you both in First Class?


Guilty - reveal yourself !!!
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On the train back with today’s ref - any questions for him? on 23:05 - Aug 14 with 3654 viewscolinallcars

On the train back with today’s ref - any questions for him? on 21:45 - Aug 14 by GloryHunter

Were you both in First Class?


For a large part of the 20th century there was no second class on the railways. Carriages were marked 1st class and 3rd class.
Later, 3rd class was abolished and became 2nd class, later standard.
Notta lotta people know that.
Well, I've 'ad a drink.
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On the train back with today’s ref - any questions for him? on 23:22 - Aug 14 with 3582 viewsLazyFan

On the train back with today’s ref - any questions for him? on 23:05 - Aug 14 by colinallcars

For a large part of the 20th century there was no second class on the railways. Carriages were marked 1st class and 3rd class.
Later, 3rd class was abolished and became 2nd class, later standard.
Notta lotta people know that.
Well, I've 'ad a drink.


Was this when the Railways were under private control and was so abysmal that during WW2 the government had to take full control as the efficiency of private industry was unable to support the war effort and had to be run by the so-called inefficient state to win the war?

Would it be that railway system?

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On the train back with today’s ref - any questions for him? on 13:44 - Aug 15 with 2940 viewsPinnerPaul

On the train back with today’s ref - any questions for him? on 21:36 - Aug 14 by derbyhoop

It was a red card all the way. It may not have been deliberate but it was reckless.


Have to say it, if it was just reckless that's a yellow.

"Endangered safety of an opponent"? Yep, that's a red.

Think it what the players would call an 'honest' challenge, he overran the ball and then lunged at Ball.

As you say, didn't set out to injure him, but that's not the criteria for a red card.
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On the train back with today’s ref - any questions for him? on 13:54 - Aug 15 with 2920 viewsNorthernr

On the train back with today’s ref - any questions for him? on 21:29 - Aug 14 by stainrods_elbow

Thanks for sending off Moncur - saw it again, and it was over the top and could have done real damage. (Still can't understand why he got all those slaps on the back from Rs players as he left the pitch.)


I think it was because he'd gone back to apologise and make sure Ball was ok, rather than being a dick about it. To start with they were all going apesht about it.
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On the train back with today’s ref - any questions for him? on 13:56 - Aug 15 with 2908 viewsfrancisbowles

On the train back with today’s ref - any questions for him? on 13:44 - Aug 15 by PinnerPaul

Have to say it, if it was just reckless that's a yellow.

"Endangered safety of an opponent"? Yep, that's a red.

Think it what the players would call an 'honest' challenge, he overran the ball and then lunged at Ball.

As you say, didn't set out to injure him, but that's not the criteria for a red card.


I think many of us struggle with the difference between reckless and dangerous. I would have thought that someone who is acting recklessly is posing a danger.

How do you define them Pinner?
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On the train back with today’s ref - any questions for him? on 14:35 - Aug 15 with 2839 viewsPinnerPaul

On the train back with today’s ref - any questions for him? on 13:56 - Aug 15 by francisbowles

I think many of us struggle with the difference between reckless and dangerous. I would have thought that someone who is acting recklessly is posing a danger.

How do you define them Pinner?


Problem is laws of the game language doesn't equate with real life language!

I agree, in everyday language, to do something recklessly, DOES sound like it should be a sending off, but LOTG is

Careless = foul, no card
Reckless = Yellow
Excessive Force and/or endangers safety of an opponent = red
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On the train back with today’s ref - any questions for him? on 14:59 - Aug 15 with 2772 viewsCLAREMAN1995

On the train back with today’s ref - any questions for him? on 13:54 - Aug 15 by Northernr

I think it was because he'd gone back to apologise and make sure Ball was ok, rather than being a dick about it. To start with they were all going apesht about it.


As usual Clive is spot on as I just watched the highlights and saw his regret or accountability after he realized he was studs up and late.Plus thankfully our man was not lying there screaming in agony helped defuse the situation .As red cards go it was the correct decision and lucky no serious injury occured .The Ref was decisive ,the players knew it should be this way always IMO.
Beautiful experience for the loyal QPR fans who pay their hard earned money down to see that victorey after the excitement of the penalty shootout in the cup .
Lets remember this joy when we go on our annual bad run lol
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On the train back with today’s ref - any questions for him? on 15:20 - Aug 15 with 2735 viewsBoston

On the train back with today’s ref - any questions for him? on 23:05 - Aug 14 by colinallcars

For a large part of the 20th century there was no second class on the railways. Carriages were marked 1st class and 3rd class.
Later, 3rd class was abolished and became 2nd class, later standard.
Notta lotta people know that.
Well, I've 'ad a drink.


You're one of those delinquents who used the ladies only compartments, aren't you?

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On the train back with today’s ref - any questions for him? on 15:23 - Aug 15 with 2728 viewsBoston

On the train back with today’s ref - any questions for him? on 23:22 - Aug 14 by LazyFan

Was this when the Railways were under private control and was so abysmal that during WW2 the government had to take full control as the efficiency of private industry was unable to support the war effort and had to be run by the so-called inefficient state to win the war?

Would it be that railway system?


No.

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On the train back with today’s ref - any questions for him? on 15:29 - Aug 15 with 2714 viewsderbyhoop

On the train back with today’s ref - any questions for him? on 14:35 - Aug 15 by PinnerPaul

Problem is laws of the game language doesn't equate with real life language!

I agree, in everyday language, to do something recklessly, DOES sound like it should be a sending off, but LOTG is

Careless = foul, no card
Reckless = Yellow
Excessive Force and/or endangers safety of an opponent = red


Did it endanger an opponent? In my eyes, yes.

As a ref, did you agree?

What happened afterwards was irrelevant but did show the game was played in a decent spirit. The low number of fouls (13, I believe_ and no yellows would support that view.

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On the train back with today’s ref - any questions for him? on 16:21 - Aug 15 with 2645 viewsPinnerPaul

On the train back with today’s ref - any questions for him? on 15:29 - Aug 15 by derbyhoop

Did it endanger an opponent? In my eyes, yes.

As a ref, did you agree?

What happened afterwards was irrelevant but did show the game was played in a decent spirit. The low number of fouls (13, I believe_ and no yellows would support that view.


Yes.

Just to elaborate, a carelsss foul that "breaks up a promising attack" is also a yellow.
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On the train back with today’s ref - any questions for him? on 19:02 - Aug 15 with 2475 viewsCiderwithRsie

On the train back with today’s ref - any questions for him? on 14:35 - Aug 15 by PinnerPaul

Problem is laws of the game language doesn't equate with real life language!

I agree, in everyday language, to do something recklessly, DOES sound like it should be a sending off, but LOTG is

Careless = foul, no card
Reckless = Yellow
Excessive Force and/or endangers safety of an opponent = red


Still not clear as to the difference between "careless" and "reckless".

IIRC in (English) law:
negligent = careless = did not take reasonable precautions when a reasonable person would see there would be a risk of harm to others

reckless = didn't care whether others got hurt or not, knew they might but did it anyway

intentional = knew it would definitely cause damage and did it on purpose

Are we talking something similar for the first two? Or is it more
- didn't want to catch the guy but got (e.g.) the timing or angle wrong = "careless, foul, no card"
- should have known you were likely to catch him = "reckless, yellow"
- likely to injure = red
?
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On the train back with today’s ref - any questions for him? on 12:10 - Aug 16 with 2021 viewsPinnerPaul

On the train back with today’s ref - any questions for him? on 19:02 - Aug 15 by CiderwithRsie

Still not clear as to the difference between "careless" and "reckless".

IIRC in (English) law:
negligent = careless = did not take reasonable precautions when a reasonable person would see there would be a risk of harm to others

reckless = didn't care whether others got hurt or not, knew they might but did it anyway

intentional = knew it would definitely cause damage and did it on purpose

Are we talking something similar for the first two? Or is it more
- didn't want to catch the guy but got (e.g.) the timing or angle wrong = "careless, foul, no card"
- should have known you were likely to catch him = "reckless, yellow"
- likely to injure = red
?


Think those first two definitions work well.

'Intentional' not ,mentioned in the laws, but obviously careless and reckless DO imply some difference in intent.

Moncur's red a classic example of intent not being relevant - sure he didn't mean to hurt Dom Ball but the challenge DID endanger his safety, therefore a red.
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