| How do we arrest the current slump? 21:19 - Feb 9 with 3016 views | bosh67 |
Problem is we hugely exceeded expectations first half of the season with a young inexperienced team that played with freedom and without fear. If they scored 2 we scored 3. It felt easy. We always had the achilles heal of leaking goals but a team that loves to attack, enjoys their football scores goals.
Then you start losing a few and the heads go down. The young players can't keep up the intensity. Worse still some of the senior team members and the top scorer go mid season. Then younger players hear high numbers banded around about their value and who wants them in the Prem or from teams looking like they are on the way up. Their heads are turned. Not completely but enough to switch off a bit. Those on loan start thinking where they will be next season. With another loan club or finally at their parent club.
Suddenly, a young inexperienced team starts losing focus and on top of that, the club and management are hamstrung to bring in real options, or enough options to plug the gap. The mistakes grow bigger, more infectious and the doubts rise as to how and who can stem it. From a team that played with more ease than mistakes, with more confidence than doubt it has started to turn on its head.
The natural thing to do would be to panic but the reality is that the management and the board have to sit down with the squad and somehow galvanise them over the final third of the season. Re-learn how to play without fear again, start games better, dig in more earlier and work out ways to get the team enjoying their football again.
For me it is down to getting the team's focus back and also making strategic changes in the game quickly if the shape or play is wrong, rather than reacting to things going wrong, which for me is MW's only real weakness. That and just trying to get our defenders and holding midfielders to communicate better and keep their shape more often.
And perhaps most importantly remind the players that results generally come when you relax and enjoy playing, which is what we did so well earlier in the season. |  |
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| How do we arrest the current slump? on 21:45 - Feb 10 with 782 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| How do we arrest the current slump? on 17:39 - Feb 10 by Ned_Kennedys |
Well unless we play three at the back we can only pick two CBs and the best two at the moment would be Barbet and Masterson IMO as Leistner has gone. So we would also need to change the captaincy.
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‘But what about the first team squad Captain I hear you cry? That’ll be the chap who’s more than likely out the door in May, been off sick most of the season (again) and from the last few games I’ve seen has racked the cue’
Hardly a mild critique is it. It’s both incorrect and scapegoating, seeing as he’s played 16 games in a row or something and has conceded at the same rate as any other defensive pairing or three. |  | | |
| How do we arrest the current slump? on 21:58 - Feb 10 with 752 views | Lblock |
Oh Bazza.... should I feel bullied and scapegoated?
Okay - slight hyperbole on the injury front for the last 16 games but Grant being injured doesn't shock you does it?
As for scapegoating him. Nope. Calling it as I see it.
Absolutely loved the geezer in the past and hes had two great games last 2 months. That simply aint good enough for someone to wear the armband of my club.
It simply looks to me like he knows he's out the door and is going through the motions. I'm calling that and it may shock you but I'm putting that on a QPR fans messageboard.
Sorry but I don't have any gant charts, statistical scatter graphs or quotes from sages of the past to back me up. Just my opinion.
I will love it, absolutely love it I tell ya, if Grant Hall sticks out his chest, rallies the troops and inspires us to an unbeaten run from hereon in. I'll eat my words as a starter to my hat that I'll be eating when Warren Farm finishes gladly!!!
Sadly I feel he'll be talked through games by Conor Masterson who is keen as Colman's to get on and sweat for this club (and his own career)
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| How do we arrest the current slump? on 23:06 - Feb 10 with 707 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| How do we arrest the current slump? on 21:58 - Feb 10 by Lblock |
Oh Bazza.... should I feel bullied and scapegoated?
Okay - slight hyperbole on the injury front for the last 16 games but Grant being injured doesn't shock you does it?
As for scapegoating him. Nope. Calling it as I see it.
Absolutely loved the geezer in the past and hes had two great games last 2 months. That simply aint good enough for someone to wear the armband of my club.
It simply looks to me like he knows he's out the door and is going through the motions. I'm calling that and it may shock you but I'm putting that on a QPR fans messageboard.
Sorry but I don't have any gant charts, statistical scatter graphs or quotes from sages of the past to back me up. Just my opinion.
I will love it, absolutely love it I tell ya, if Grant Hall sticks out his chest, rallies the troops and inspires us to an unbeaten run from hereon in. I'll eat my words as a starter to my hat that I'll be eating when Warren Farm finishes gladly!!!
Sadly I feel he'll be talked through games by Conor Masterson who is keen as Colman's to get on and sweat for this club (and his own career)
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I think we get up each other's nose unnecessarily brother. No one is calling for censorship here.
Perhaps i'm wrong but it feels like you are getting off on his poor form and the fortunes of the club in general. I probably need to be less self righteous and ignore it.
Hall is out of form, but I challenge you to find anyone who isn't. That's why it feels like scapegoating to me. [Post edited 10 Feb 2020 23:12]
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| How do we arrest the current slump? on 23:21 - Feb 10 with 690 views | PunteR |
| How do we arrest the current slump? on 23:06 - Feb 10 by BazzaInTheLoft |
I think we get up each other's nose unnecessarily brother. No one is calling for censorship here.
Perhaps i'm wrong but it feels like you are getting off on his poor form and the fortunes of the club in general. I probably need to be less self righteous and ignore it.
Hall is out of form, but I challenge you to find anyone who isn't. That's why it feels like scapegoating to me. [Post edited 10 Feb 2020 23:12]
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Possibly because we expected so much of Hall earlier in his QPR career but unfortunately hasn't really made the step up and has possibly regressed if anything for whatever reason.
You can kind of expect dips in form of such young and inexperienced players such as BOS, Eze, Chair, Masterson etc but you kind of want the more senior pros to step it up. |  |
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| How do we arrest the current slump? on 23:52 - Feb 10 with 664 views | timcocking |
Dead right with the reasoning.
It would help if we didn't let in so many terrible goals, but once the 'keepers have lost confidence even the most simple save becomes difficult.
How about stop passing in our own area for starters? |  | | |
| How do we arrest the current slump? on 13:23 - Feb 11 with 572 views | derbyhoop |
| How do we arrest the current slump? on 17:27 - Feb 10 by themodfather |
any team needs a leader, someone to rally the team, inspire and keep them going, have we had one in ages? a successful team has 2 or 3 and they give energy to the others. stats show we can have more possession, shots but also leak goals, also any mistake by us is costing us, bad luck? we need to find the belief and strength to get the 12-13 pts needed to stay up. |
Sounds about right.
Really good teams have 3 or 4 captains on the field, not necessarily the one with the armband. We are far too quiet and accepting.
When you have players talking to each other there are less mistakes and more dynamism.
Hall was my MOM against Leeds and he's supposed to be guiding a young player into the professional game, as well as captaining the side. I think you see the difference when Cameron is in the side, from a leadership point of view. There's definitely a case for using the experienced players, more, in an effort to turn the current flat mood. |  |
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| How do we arrest the current slump? on 13:42 - Feb 11 with 549 views | R_from_afar |
| How do we arrest the current slump? on 07:50 - Feb 10 by jonno |
The players, having seen what happened in the transfer window, have decided that if the club is prepared to weaken the squad to save money then why should they bother? `they have packed it in for the season - arses need kicking. |
You touch on something I have been thinking about. I think our current policy as a club is to see how likely promotion or survival is as we reach the winter transfer window, then adjust the squad accordingly. If we had been in the top six, I think the club would've strengthened - or at least not weakened - the squad. As we looked like we would neither go up nor go down, they seized the opportunity to cut costs.
It must be apparent to the players this season that we are limiting our ambitions to staying up. That must be quite demotivating for them.
I can see this pattern repeating endlessly. I hate to say it, but I really can. We just have to hope that one season, we eventually get to December in contention for promotion, then our owners might invest in a serious promotion push. First, though, we need to make sure we stay up this season. |  |
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| How do we arrest the current slump? on 14:22 - Feb 11 with 510 views | Northernr |
| How do we arrest the current slump? on 07:50 - Feb 10 by jonno |
The players, having seen what happened in the transfer window, have decided that if the club is prepared to weaken the squad to save money then why should they bother? `they have packed it in for the season - arses need kicking. |
Bluntly put but interesting point. I've mentioned this with the loans, that as the end of the season approaches they're inevitably looking to the summer, thinking about what's next, not focused or committed, trying to avoid injury. Not sure why it would be that much different for the likes of Eze or BOS who will be eyeing moves. The drawback of this "use us as a stepping stone" is players might do exactly that. |  | | |
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| How do we arrest the current slump? on 14:45 - Feb 11 with 478 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| How do we arrest the current slump? on 14:22 - Feb 11 by Northernr |
Bluntly put but interesting point. I've mentioned this with the loans, that as the end of the season approaches they're inevitably looking to the summer, thinking about what's next, not focused or committed, trying to avoid injury. Not sure why it would be that much different for the likes of Eze or BOS who will be eyeing moves. The drawback of this "use us as a stepping stone" is players might do exactly that. |
The other issue is that as performances and results drop then so does the potential value of our saleable assets like Eze and BOS who will not look as good to potential suitors. What's the point in saving money on Leistner's and Scowen's wages if this value comes off potential transfer income in the summer? |  | | |
| How do we arrest the current slump? on 14:58 - Feb 11 with 455 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| How do we arrest the current slump? on 07:50 - Feb 10 by jonno |
The players, having seen what happened in the transfer window, have decided that if the club is prepared to weaken the squad to save money then why should they bother? `they have packed it in for the season - arses need kicking. |
Like the Blackstock / Leigertwood situation in the Four Year Plan. | | | |
| How do we arrest the current slump? on 15:15 - Feb 11 with 435 views | connell10 |
| How do we arrest the current slump? on 13:42 - Feb 11 by R_from_afar |
You touch on something I have been thinking about. I think our current policy as a club is to see how likely promotion or survival is as we reach the winter transfer window, then adjust the squad accordingly. If we had been in the top six, I think the club would've strengthened - or at least not weakened - the squad. As we looked like we would neither go up nor go down, they seized the opportunity to cut costs.
It must be apparent to the players this season that we are limiting our ambitions to staying up. That must be quite demotivating for them.
I can see this pattern repeating endlessly. I hate to say it, but I really can. We just have to hope that one season, we eventually get to December in contention for promotion, then our owners might invest in a serious promotion push. First, though, we need to make sure we stay up this season. |
Agree mate , I dont think I can stand this year after year just hoping we stay up with no light at the end of the tunnel! [Post edited 11 Feb 2020 15:21]
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| How do we arrest the current slump? on 15:16 - Feb 11 with 435 views | NorthantsHoop |
By muddling through, which we have proved very good at for a number of years and hope we can deliver at least 4 wins and a couple of draws to the end of the season. The team are capable of this with the ability of Chair, Eze and BOS. The problem lies for me on our set up at home, far too negative recently, putting Eze on the left and one up front. We look more dangerous with two up front and Eze and Chair filling free roles behind. Not sure we can do much with the defence, although I live in hope that Barbet coming back may help. |  | | |
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