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R.I.P. Jack Charlton 85 on 12:13 - Jul 11 by loftboy
Best Memory I have of him was moaning like mad about how can you score 5 goals away from home and not win!! RIP
My wife did some work with Chris Waddle a few years ago so I got her to ask him about the match...
He said Jack was, as expected, absolutely fuming afterwards and Fergies' 'Hairdryer treatment' would have appeared like your granny telling you off for getting chocolate biscuits around your mouth when you were a baby by comparison . He swore, a lot, offered players out but afterwards pulled Waddle aside and complemented him on scoring a hat trick on a much derided and ridiculed pitch.
Off on a tangent, funny how we, rightfully, remember that day really fondly but it was 2nd consecutive week we had conceded 5 goals and we would famously concede 6 just 3 weeks later.
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R.I.P. Jack Charlton 85 on 12:41 - Jul 11 with 1323 views
R.I.P. Jack Charlton 85 on 11:40 - Jul 11 by St_Pollock
The only right way to play football is to play winning football. It's a competive sport, not an entertainment and he got the best out of those players by choosing tactics which utilised their collective abilities. Johan Cruyff, for example, predicted Ireland to win Italia 90 so effective were the tactics.
He was also very clever and ahead of the game (pardon the pun) by utilising the Irish diaspora to the benefit of the National side. Whether people like it or not FIFA allows selection based upon grandparent heritage and the Irish state deems anyone born to an Irish parent or with an Irish grandparent as an Irish citizen so they were as Irish as someone called Seamus o'Finnegan born in the Liberties.
As you say, those selected gave their all to the team and country and gave us some wonderful memories.
RIP Jack.
It reminds me of old joke "If you walked an Irish wolfhound down Kilburn high road, you would get a game for Ireland" I have no problem with the grandparent rule . I was born in this country, left at four years of age, returned as an immigrant eighteen years later. If my Daughters wanted to play for Ireland, they're would no prouder parent. If they wanted to play for England I would be just as Happy! On the subject of chasing players like Nathan Redmond and bam bam bamford. F**k that. They have no interest in playing for the shirt. If you're approached by the FAI , they're should be no hesitation!! On a final point, the Duke of Wellington famously said of being born in Dublin "just because a pig is born in a stable, it doesn't make him a horse". Make of that what you will!!
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R.I.P. Jack Charlton 85 on 12:41 - Jul 11 with 1322 views
R.I.P. Jack Charlton 85 on 12:41 - Jul 11 by Paddyhoops
It reminds me of old joke "If you walked an Irish wolfhound down Kilburn high road, you would get a game for Ireland" I have no problem with the grandparent rule . I was born in this country, left at four years of age, returned as an immigrant eighteen years later. If my Daughters wanted to play for Ireland, they're would no prouder parent. If they wanted to play for England I would be just as Happy! On the subject of chasing players like Nathan Redmond and bam bam bamford. F**k that. They have no interest in playing for the shirt. If you're approached by the FAI , they're should be no hesitation!! On a final point, the Duke of Wellington famously said of being born in Dublin "just because a pig is born in a stable, it doesn't make him a horse". Make of that what you will!!
Jesus was born in a stable but you couldn't get 5/1 on him at Doncaster.
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R.I.P. Jack Charlton 85 on 12:46 - Jul 11 with 1303 views
R.I.P. Jack Charlton 85 on 12:37 - Jul 11 by St_Pollock
My wife did some work with Chris Waddle a few years ago so I got her to ask him about the match...
He said Jack was, as expected, absolutely fuming afterwards and Fergies' 'Hairdryer treatment' would have appeared like your granny telling you off for getting chocolate biscuits around your mouth when you were a baby by comparison . He swore, a lot, offered players out but afterwards pulled Waddle aside and complemented him on scoring a hat trick on a much derided and ridiculed pitch.
Off on a tangent, funny how we, rightfully, remember that day really fondly but it was 2nd consecutive week we had conceded 5 goals and we would famously concede 6 just 3 weeks later.
There's a good discussion on the 5-5 on RetroQPR on fb.
I heard or read many years later that Charlton threw Waddle against a wall after the game. Could be complete nonsense but it makes me smile to think of blaming the forward when a team concedes five! There's an age-old tradition in Gaelic Games of taking off the corner forward as a scapegoat when you're conceding scores to beat the band, and it reminds me of that!
"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
R.I.P. Jack Charlton 85 on 12:41 - Jul 11 by Paddyhoops
It reminds me of old joke "If you walked an Irish wolfhound down Kilburn high road, you would get a game for Ireland" I have no problem with the grandparent rule . I was born in this country, left at four years of age, returned as an immigrant eighteen years later. If my Daughters wanted to play for Ireland, they're would no prouder parent. If they wanted to play for England I would be just as Happy! On the subject of chasing players like Nathan Redmond and bam bam bamford. F**k that. They have no interest in playing for the shirt. If you're approached by the FAI , they're should be no hesitation!! On a final point, the Duke of Wellington famously said of being born in Dublin "just because a pig is born in a stable, it doesn't make him a horse". Make of that what you will!!
My Brother and I were born in London. I made no secret of it but it always bothered him and was the only way he could be wound up. if he was really under pressure and shipping damage he always used that Wellington line!
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"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
R.I.P. Jack Charlton 85 on 12:49 - Jul 11 by BrianMcCarthy
My Brother and I were born in London. I made no secret of it but it always bothered him and was the only way he could be wound up. if he was really under pressure and shipping damage he always used that Wellington line!
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Yes Brian. I mentioned that I was born in Chiswick to my English colleagues. Bad idea. I've been crucified ever since!!🤦â€â™‚ï¸ðŸ¤¦â€â™‚ï¸ðŸ¤¦â€â™‚ï¸
Got to admit, I am having a chuckle at some of the Twitter accounts singing his praises just above angry Tweets about Sadiq Khan, statues, and Tommy Robinson.
Flo was attacked by one earlier.
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R.I.P. Jack Charlton 85 on 14:22 - Jul 11 with 1156 views
First of all RIP to Jack. Regarding his input to the Republic team, it's a strange one. Without question, he brought smiles to hundreds of thousands - probably millions if you include ex pats all over the world - of Irish people in what was a very grim time economically. I would agree with Mr Sheen also that thousands of kids started playing soccer that previously didn't ag Gaelic and Hurling would have been the number one sports, in fact I would go so far as to say it made soccer acceptable as a mainstream sport here for the first time. However, he inherited some incredible players, playing at the peak of their careers for top English clubs. He could afford to play legendary centre-half Paul McGrath in mid-field or at right back and not play David O'Leary at al. We had four top, top CB's at the time if you add in Kevin Moran and Mark Lawrenson, and yet he found a place for his more rudimentary clone, Mick McCarthy, who to be fair rose to the challenge well. We had Ronnie Whelan one of the greatest and under-rated midfielders ever - who could forget that goal against Russia - and Sheedy on one side of him and Houghton on the other. All we lacked was a younger Frank stapleton or an older Robbie Keane because Quinn, nor Cascarino, nor Aldridge were prolific. The biggest criticism I would lay against Jack, and as Brian says this is not the day for it, would be he didn't fully trust the incredible talent he had at his disposal and he kept the shackles firmly on. A country of Ireland's size was never going to win the World Cup, but the European Championship was a different matter. Denmark (the size of Leinster) had just won it and Greece won it a few years later. I feel, for all the good times he gave us, that Germany '88 was a missed opportunity, an opportunity which we may never have again. Certainly not for the forseeable future anyway, based on current talent at our disposal.
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R.I.P. Jack Charlton 85 on 14:22 - Jul 11 with 1155 views
R.I.P. Jack Charlton 85 on 14:14 - Jul 11 by BazzaInTheLoft
Got to admit, I am having a chuckle at some of the Twitter accounts singing his praises just above angry Tweets about Sadiq Khan, statues, and Tommy Robinson.
Flo was attacked by one earlier.
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She doesn't help herself to be honest.
Not condoning idiots or idiotic behaviour but she needs to step back and have a think about her online presence and how she uses it.
Very antagonistic and it's inevitable that a drunk idiot will target her at a match sooner rather than later.
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R.I.P. Jack Charlton 85 on 14:30 - Jul 11 with 1141 views
First of all RIP to Jack. Regarding his input to the Republic team, it's a strange one. Without question, he brought smiles to hundreds of thousands - probably millions if you include ex pats all over the world - of Irish people in what was a very grim time economically. I would agree with Mr Sheen also that thousands of kids started playing soccer that previously didn't ag Gaelic and Hurling would have been the number one sports, in fact I would go so far as to say it made soccer acceptable as a mainstream sport here for the first time. However, he inherited some incredible players, playing at the peak of their careers for top English clubs. He could afford to play legendary centre-half Paul McGrath in mid-field or at right back and not play David O'Leary at al. We had four top, top CB's at the time if you add in Kevin Moran and Mark Lawrenson, and yet he found a place for his more rudimentary clone, Mick McCarthy, who to be fair rose to the challenge well. We had Ronnie Whelan one of the greatest and under-rated midfielders ever - who could forget that goal against Russia - and Sheedy on one side of him and Houghton on the other. All we lacked was a younger Frank stapleton or an older Robbie Keane because Quinn, nor Cascarino, nor Aldridge were prolific. The biggest criticism I would lay against Jack, and as Brian says this is not the day for it, would be he didn't fully trust the incredible talent he had at his disposal and he kept the shackles firmly on. A country of Ireland's size was never going to win the World Cup, but the European Championship was a different matter. Denmark (the size of Leinster) had just won it and Greece won it a few years later. I feel, for all the good times he gave us, that Germany '88 was a missed opportunity, an opportunity which we may never have again. Certainly not for the forseeable future anyway, based on current talent at our disposal.
Completely disagree with your assessment that Euro. 88 was a wasted opportunity.
It was an 8 team tournament and Ireland were in a group with England, a very underrated USSR and one of the greatest teams in history, Holland. In fact, to emphasise how good the USSR were they went into the final against Holland as favourites!
Also, you mention Denmark and Greece as small nations winning the European Championships but both played to their strengths especially Greece who played Cattenaccio throughout the entire tournament and stifled the life out of all matches. Not pretty to watch but perfect for the players at their disposal.
Ireland only had the success they had BECAUSE of the way they played. If they had changed that to a more aesthetic they would have won more plaudits but less matches.
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R.I.P. Jack Charlton 85 on 14:33 - Jul 11 with 1135 views
R.I.P. Jack Charlton 85 on 12:37 - Jul 11 by St_Pollock
My wife did some work with Chris Waddle a few years ago so I got her to ask him about the match...
He said Jack was, as expected, absolutely fuming afterwards and Fergies' 'Hairdryer treatment' would have appeared like your granny telling you off for getting chocolate biscuits around your mouth when you were a baby by comparison . He swore, a lot, offered players out but afterwards pulled Waddle aside and complemented him on scoring a hat trick on a much derided and ridiculed pitch.
Off on a tangent, funny how we, rightfully, remember that day really fondly but it was 2nd consecutive week we had conceded 5 goals and we would famously concede 6 just 3 weeks later.
I think you mean scored 6 mate v Partizan Belgrade at Highbury (and then conceded 4 :-( ) and 4 again at fckn Leicester on 1/12/84 Muller y grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr in fairness he mullered our team
I liked Jack Charlton, a proper bloke RIP
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R.I.P. Jack Charlton 85 on 14:36 - Jul 11 with 1127 views
R.I.P. Jack Charlton 85 on 14:33 - Jul 11 by BrixtonR
I think you mean scored 6 mate v Partizan Belgrade at Highbury (and then conceded 4 :-( ) and 4 again at fckn Leicester on 1/12/84 Muller y grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr in fairness he mullered our team
I liked Jack Charlton, a proper bloke RIP
Yes, sorry my mistake!
3 weeks later we famously conceded 4!
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R.I.P. Jack Charlton 85 on 14:37 - Jul 11 with 1127 views
R.I.P. Jack Charlton 85 on 14:30 - Jul 11 by St_Pollock
Completely disagree with your assessment that Euro. 88 was a wasted opportunity.
It was an 8 team tournament and Ireland were in a group with England, a very underrated USSR and one of the greatest teams in history, Holland. In fact, to emphasise how good the USSR were they went into the final against Holland as favourites!
Also, you mention Denmark and Greece as small nations winning the European Championships but both played to their strengths especially Greece who played Cattenaccio throughout the entire tournament and stifled the life out of all matches. Not pretty to watch but perfect for the players at their disposal.
Ireland only had the success they had BECAUSE of the way they played. If they had changed that to a more aesthetic they would have won more plaudits but less matches.
...and Ireland were 10 minutes from the semi finals at the expense of the eventual champions when they were beaten by a huge deflection off a Wim Kieft long-shot.
My mistake, not a long shot but a header to deflect a mishit shot that Bonner couldn’t get across to stop. Saw it now for the first time since the day!
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R.I.P. Jack Charlton 85 on 14:44 - Jul 11 with 1106 views
R.I.P. Jack Charlton 85 on 14:37 - Jul 11 by MrSheen
...and Ireland were 10 minutes from the semi finals at the expense of the eventual champions when they were beaten by a huge deflection off a Wim Kieft long-shot.
My mistake, not a long shot but a header to deflect a mishit shot that Bonner couldn’t get across to stop. Saw it now for the first time since the day!
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Remember it well 😬
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R.I.P. Jack Charlton 85 on 14:49 - Jul 11 with 1092 views
R.I.P. Jack Charlton 85 on 14:30 - Jul 11 by St_Pollock
Completely disagree with your assessment that Euro. 88 was a wasted opportunity.
It was an 8 team tournament and Ireland were in a group with England, a very underrated USSR and one of the greatest teams in history, Holland. In fact, to emphasise how good the USSR were they went into the final against Holland as favourites!
Also, you mention Denmark and Greece as small nations winning the European Championships but both played to their strengths especially Greece who played Cattenaccio throughout the entire tournament and stifled the life out of all matches. Not pretty to watch but perfect for the players at their disposal.
Ireland only had the success they had BECAUSE of the way they played. If they had changed that to a more aesthetic they would have won more plaudits but less matches.
To be fair to Charlton, Ireland had a fine team before he arrived and were unlucky/cheated out of qualifying on a few occasions but Charlton got us over the line three times. Sure, he had better players and better squad depth, but his tactics, while deplorable, were a huge part of our success as they were hard to counter at International level.
By '94 we had ball players and we were playing in savage heat in the US and should have played more football but from 86-90 the long ball suited us and did well for us.
"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
R.I.P. Jack Charlton 85 on 14:54 - Jul 11 by BrianMcCarthy
To be fair to Charlton, Ireland had a fine team before he arrived and were unlucky/cheated out of qualifying on a few occasions but Charlton got us over the line three times. Sure, he had better players and better squad depth, but his tactics, while deplorable, were a huge part of our success as they were hard to counter at International level.
By '94 we had ball players and we were playing in savage heat in the US and should have played more football but from 86-90 the long ball suited us and did well for us.
The thing is that few other international teams played like them so other sides had few reference points of how to deal with them.
An obvious comparison to make but they were the Wimbledon of International football and The Dons achieved what they did by playing to their strengths and playing a type of football seldom seen.
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R.I.P. Jack Charlton 85 on 15:42 - Jul 11 with 1019 views
R.I.P. Jack Charlton 85 on 15:01 - Jul 11 by St_Pollock
The thing is that few other international teams played like them so other sides had few reference points of how to deal with them.
An obvious comparison to make but they were the Wimbledon of International football and The Dons achieved what they did by playing to their strengths and playing a type of football seldom seen.
Norway at the same time were similar, but even harder to watch.
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