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Back Him Or Sack Him. 09:12 - Dec 27 with 4785 views

Have to do some business in January. Please don't shout we've got no money. We have and some needs to be found because this squad is taking us down, and there can't be a worse time to drop to division 1. Les's salary would free up a few quid for starters. The team as played well for short periods in most games before falling away after not scoring. A new manager would definitely get a few pounds to spend and so will warburton if he's allowed to stay. So sack him or back him because some of this squad are little better than Sunday league. And Klopp would fail with our lot.

Back Him Or Sack Him. on 15:40 - Dec 27 with 1534 views

joolsyp

I’m coming around to the idea of Pearson as a stop gap (contract to the end of season) - might suit both him and us. I just want us to stay up this season and go from there and, let’s face it, things are not looking good under Warbs, especially if we get nothing v Norwich and Luton.

Yes Pearson is not everyone’s cup of tea but he did an amazing job getting Watford clear of the relegation zone last season with two games to go (before Watford did what they do) and he’ll shore up our defence, especially with one or two loans in Jan. We know he doesn’t suffer fools gladly and he’ll probably do a bit more shouting and less mollycoddling (which I think this team needs).

I do think we should give Warbs Norwich and Luton though. He has in the past shown the ability to halt a losing run and I’ve enjoyed watching us under him (it would be less pretty under Pearson to be sure). I actually thought we played quite well against Swansea, apart from the two silly goals it would have been hard to tell who was 2nd and 19th in the table.

Back Him Or Sack Him. on 17:06 - Dec 27 with 1401 views

TGRRRSSS

I think Pearson would get us a bit more organised, but some of the players brought in, I suspect on Warburtons watch as much as anything will still be here.

We need to stop looking to Scotland which he seems keen on, didn't Florest do similar on his watch which wasn't popular and they weren't good enough?

Back Him Or Sack Him. on 17:29 - Dec 27 with 1345 views

Hayesender

Well I cant see them sacking him now, with Norwich in little over 48 hours. So unless there's a complete disaster at carrow Rd, they may as well give him Luton and Wycombe

Poll:

Shamima Beghum

Back Him Or Sack Him. on 17:47 - Dec 27 with 1287 views

francisbowles

What's going on with Luke Freeman at Forest? One 17 minute sub appearance since the 4th November and not even in the match squad for the last nine fixtures.

I Know his wages are a problem for us but if Sheffield recall him, could we get a cut price deal?

Back Him Or Sack Him. on 18:08 - Dec 27 with 1249 views

TGRRRSSS

Back Him Or Sack Him. on 17:29 - Dec 27 by Hayesender
Well I cant see them sacking him now, with Norwich in little over 48 hours. So unless there's a complete disaster at carrow Rd, they may as well give him Luton and Wycombe

I think I agree but wonder if it'll come tomorrow, and give Eustace the reins for Norwich.

Luton and Wycombe we need new manager bounce wins - thugh I can rarely remember this bounce ever working for QPR, add in some dire players in our squad...

Back Him Or Sack Him. on 18:16 - Dec 27 with 1230 views

actonman

Back Him Or Sack Him. on 18:08 - Dec 27 by TGRRRSSS
I think I agree but wonder if it'll come tomorrow, and give Eustace the reins for Norwich. Luton and Wycombe we need new manager bounce wins - thugh I can rarely remember this bounce ever working for QPR, add in some dire players in our squad...

I would just default the Norwich game , let them have the points and save us the trip and the pain of watching it !

Back Him Or Sack Him. on 18:25 - Dec 27 with 1203 views

TGRRRSSS

Not a terrible idea., even if it was an automatic 3-0 defeat that might not be as bad as what happens if we turned up.

Back Him Or Sack Him. on 18:34 - Dec 27 with 1185 views

baz_qpr

Back Him Or Sack Him. on 13:42 - Dec 27 by Northernr
Whether it's Warburton or somebody else we need some January additions. I don't think this team stays up as it is.

I think this is the bottom line, back in the day we would have had some short term loans in to bolster where required with a view to signing in January.

So IMHO its loans we will need now, the problem being is that the schedule and now the 5 subs leaves less available than would have been before.

It either needs to be players to suit Warburton's style of play, or a new manager with the right players to support the changes they make.

I'm quite happy with the style of play and its important for us to establish and maintain a football identity so I dont see an Ainsworth or an up and at them type of manager being the right choice for the club long term but we do need to add more steel and leadership

Back Him Or Sack Him. on 18:49 - Dec 27 with 1151 views

Hastings_Hoops

It’s important not to be reactionary in all of this, although as I’ve posted this week, Warbs is making it very difficult to support his position with every game that passes. My thoughts for what it’s worth:

1) We cannot disrupt the ‘project’ which is currently in full swing - lots of hard graft put in by the Club and not least the supporters over the last 18 months.
2) We must avoid relegation, as this would cost the club millions financially and more emotionally/politically.

If FFP has been relaxed, our owners should look to use their wealth to bring in some
loan signings in order to;
a) prop up our squad and manager during this transition period / season.
b) avoid tethering new purchases / higher salaries to the club longer term, which would hinder
player development and break the pay structure for when FFP returns.
c) protect their investment and project from being financially and politically de-railed by
relegation.

The key point is that if ever there was a season for some hefty loans, this is it - we need to avoid big signings and big salaries, but we need a short term fix to get us over the bump in the road and we have the luxury of a FFP holiday.

Back Him Or Sack Him. on 18:57 - Dec 27 with 1128 views

MickS

Back Him Or Sack Him. on 18:16 - Dec 27 by actonman
I would just default the Norwich game , let them have the points and save us the trip and the pain of watching it !

Anyone watch them v Watford yesterday? They were shockingly bad. Cost me £160 on my treble and the manager has more haircuts going on than Michael Bolton at his peak.

Back Him Or Sack Him. on 19:06 - Dec 27 with 1101 views

knocker

Back Him Or Sack Him. on 18:57 - Dec 27 by MickS
Anyone watch them v Watford yesterday? They were shockingly bad. Cost me £160 on my treble and the manager has more haircuts going on than Michael Bolton at his peak.

Problem is their shockingly bad as you saw it would probably almost certainly good enough to see our lot off.

Back Him Or Sack Him. on 19:11 - Dec 27 with 1079 views

Watford_Ranger

Back Him Or Sack Him. on 18:57 - Dec 27 by MickS
Anyone watch them v Watford yesterday? They were shockingly bad. Cost me £160 on my treble and the manager has more haircuts going on than Michael Bolton at his peak.

Without having watched the match, I’m guessing that was more to do with this Watford team sucking the joy out of any football match.

Back Him Or Sack Him. on 19:16 - Dec 27 with 1060 views

knocker

I think if warburton stays, and it's a big if, one of our loan signings will be Parrot from Spurs. Recalled from Millwall and would certainly suit our style of play rather than millwall's.

Back Him Or Sack Him. on 19:17 - Dec 27 with 1055 views

CiderwithRsie

Feels like we need someone who can lift the team by getting everyone else to play better, a Derry, Hill or Dunne (not necessarily in those positions, more personality-wise, though honestly they'd probably be top of the list for most of us)

Back Him Or Sack Him. on 20:00 - Dec 27 with 978 views

Watford_Ranger

Get Danny Cullip in. He’s still quicker than Cameron.

Back Him Or Sack Him. on 20:02 - Dec 27 with 975 views

swisscottage

I would give him to Wycombe. 5 or 6 points from the next three matches will probably buy him time.

There were some green shoots in the first 20 minutes v Swansea, with a lot more crosses into the box and simpler pattern of play. I think it was an attempt to go back to basics a bit as its evident many of these players aren't ready to step into a team playing warbsball.

A bit better anticipation from Bonne and a but for another couple of fine interceptions from defenders and we could have been 2 up instead of 1 down. You could tell they'd worked on on this in training, unlike the last two months of treading water.

However it all went to pot as we predictably conceded just before half time and the second half was the typical shit show from a side low on confidence and lacking energy and ideas.

He really has very few options to change it up on the bench. Adoma after a bright few cameos in his first few subs appearances seems to have gone backwards. The same with Willock and Hamaleinen.

The only players in that team at the moment worth the shirt are Dieng, Ball, Dickie and Chair.

I don't see many managers being able to do much better. I think the idea was to just scrape through this season with the intention that coaching will improve some of these players in time.

Back Him Or Sack Him. on 22:37 - Dec 27 with 842 views

Myke

Back Him Or Sack Him. on 14:00 - Dec 27 by Northernr
We're going to need to try and find a couple of loans. You know me, I'm usually the one prwaching less change, signings don't solve everything, etc, but looking at that team yesterday it's just not good enough.

We need a Hugill type on loan until the end of the season - some frozen out proven premier league striker who is ready to work hard and will bag or assist 10 goals in the second half of the season. Shane Long?
We need to bring back Smyth and possibly Shodipo to help provide thesupport/ ammo for whatever striker we bring in.
We need to sell BOS immediately and use his comp to fund said striker.
We need to loan out either Dykes or Bonne to get more game time experience not at our expense.
We need to scrap plans to loan in a CB and loan out Masterson, instead play him as part of a three.
I believe (despite yesterday) that Ball/Carroll/Chair are championship standard centre/midfield if there was a more cutting edge in front of them (Smyth off Long or whoever)
We probably need a left back but not a priority in a five.

Back Him Or Sack Him. on 23:21 - Dec 27 with 768 views

Hunterhoop

Make the change now.

We play Luton, Wycombe and Derby in Jan. We need points.

Cook and Pearson are better options. I’d be very surprised if neither improved results.

For all the whys and wherefores I’ve posted before, the biggest issue for me is the dressing room has a big issue. I’m sure of it. You need a new manager to change the dynamic. There are clues everywhere: goal celebrations, the knee, body language at subs, lack of voices on the pitch, no moaning at the ref, no one checking up on certain players when on the end of a tough tackle, some players seeming reluctant to pass/cross to others, the last post match interview beginning with a question on the topic of morale, our record after going behind....

Each on their own is very little, add them all up...

I’m convinced the dressing room is not united, not working for each other, with many disgruntled.

When that happens you are better acting quickly than losing more time and the situation getting worse.

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Back Him Or Sack Him. on 23:21 - Dec 27 with 766 views

ozexile

Back Him Or Sack Him. on 18:49 - Dec 27 by Hastings_Hoops

Good post and agree with the majority of it except disrupting the project. It's not working.
We're not signing good enough players to develop and sell and we're not developing our own youngsters. That's what the project is built upon. So we certainly need to have an inquest into at least.

Back Him Or Sack Him. on 23:23 - Dec 27 with 764 views

daveB

Back Him Or Sack Him. on 23:21 - Dec 27 by Hunterhoop

[Post edited 27 Dec 2020 23:25]

I'd go along with that but as he wasn't sacked today imagine he will get the Norwich game.

Back Him Or Sack Him. on 23:52 - Dec 27 with 712 views

DannytheR

Back Him Or Sack Him. on 23:21 - Dec 27 by Hunterhoop

[Post edited 27 Dec 2020 23:25]

It's only one problem among many, but the team doesn't seem to get any leadership from Cameron during games at all. The job doesn't have to involve captain-leader-legend grandstanding, but Cameron does *nothing*. No organisation being run through him, no communication with the younger players, no dialogue with the referee. Nada. Nish.

I'd love to know what the point of him is because it's clearly not his football anymore. (You can see the shoulders slumping around him every time he punts a 10 yard pass into touch, the same way they do every time a half-decent attack ends up dying a death with Bonne or Dykes.)

I'd be wary about Cook. He had a purple patch with Wigan after their boardroom problems put a rocket under the team, but that same team looked dreadful when we turned them over at LR a few months before. I had a look on a Wigan messageboard to see what the natives made of him (I know, I need a new hobby) and the consensus pre-lockdown was that he'd reached his level getting them up from League One. It was also *uncanny* how much they made him sound like a longball Warburton - loads of complaints that he was a tactical broken record playing 4-2-3-1 with the same staring eleven every game and refusing to ever try anything different no matter how dodgy the performances were.

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