| Adomah and Ball reach into the fire to grasp unlikely point - Report on 01:12 - Aug 23 with 1950 views | simmo |
What I also think this game showed, along with the Millwall game to a lesser degree, is that our first 11 is top 6 and whilst a few others can deputise with only moderate drop off, anything outside those 12 or 13 first teamers means we will struggle...
The difference between the likes of Dykes to Kelman, Chair to Thomas, Stef to Andre, Dieng to Archer - it's massive. I've said it a few times but we're putting considerable faith/hope in our medical team getting this tight squad through a Champ season and I think our success in doing that will ultimately be the difference between playoffs or not. |  |
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| Adomah and Ball reach into the fire to grasp unlikely point - Report on 02:22 - Aug 23 with 1904 views | nix |
| Adomah and Ball reach into the fire to grasp unlikely point - Report on 01:12 - Aug 23 by simmo |
What I also think this game showed, along with the Millwall game to a lesser degree, is that our first 11 is top 6 and whilst a few others can deputise with only moderate drop off, anything outside those 12 or 13 first teamers means we will struggle...
The difference between the likes of Dykes to Kelman, Chair to Thomas, Stef to Andre, Dieng to Archer - it's massive. I've said it a few times but we're putting considerable faith/hope in our medical team getting this tight squad through a Champ season and I think our success in doing that will ultimately be the difference between playoffs or not. |
I agree but also the number of replacements makes a massive difference. So we could have managed without Wallace possibly if Field had been playing (covering more ground, holding onto the ball better and making more tackles) or Dykes (covering more ground and holding the ball up better) or Odubajo (better passing, better defending, generally more influence on the game than Thomas).
But having several missing makes a collective difference and offers our opponents more weak spots to exploit. |  | | |
| Adomah and Ball reach into the fire to grasp unlikely point - Report on 08:46 - Aug 23 with 1793 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| Adomah and Ball reach into the fire to grasp unlikely point - Report on 20:38 - Aug 22 by Northernr |
Selected out of position, against a good team, in a system that didn't work. What does it achieve, what do any of us get, out of me kicking him with less than 4? |
Feel sorry for him and ultimately it doesn't achieve anything but the way he would turn back the moment he received the ball was excruciating. |  | | |
| Adomah and Ball reach into the fire to grasp unlikely point - Report on 09:14 - Aug 23 with 1765 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Adomah and Ball reach into the fire to grasp unlikely point - Report on 17:16 - Aug 22 by Northernr |
On the 6 second thing specifically, there must surely be some point between 6 second and 30 seconds where it becomes too ridiculous to ignore. I’ll go back through the second half and find the time stamp but we had him at 25 seconds for one of them. |
I was wondering whether there could be a law change when the ref gets fed up and blows his whistle, and if the keeper does not take the kick or put the ball down within 3 seconds, it's a foul and a yellow card.
Agree with you on the Johansen foul as I've said in another thread. To me, that was a triple-threat: stopping an overload overlap; no attempt to play the ball; reckless (because no attempt to play the ball). Pinner will say reckless is yellow not red, but that's not my point - those three things together should add to a red. A bit like that Wales player that got sent off at the Euros - strictly, that wasn't a red, but it was so petulant and nasty, it totally deserved it.
Also agree Chair is a very, very lucky boy. I thought he was going to get a red at the time, and you could see the challenge coming a mile off. Maybe what just saved him was that it wasn't high, and both players were on the ground, but would not have argued with a red there. I'd have just been heartbroken. I hate 'he's not that sort of player' (they almost always are) but Chair doesn't make those challenges, hopefully he'll learn from it and try to control the adrenaline in future. |  |
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| Adomah and Ball reach into the fire to grasp unlikely point - Report on 09:22 - Aug 23 with 1750 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Adomah and Ball reach into the fire to grasp unlikely point - Report on 20:52 - Aug 22 by stainrods_elbow |
The interesting thing about Warburton is that I think I'm not alone here in having felt he might be more your 'risk-averse' type of fiscal and/or football manager, i.e. he's been rightly criticised at times for not being proactive but more reactive in making changes. Yesterday was a superb counterxample of his decisive authority in the former direction, however. As I've said elsewhere, it also made clear that our problems on the day can't be attributed to post-Boro fatigue, but were obviously the outcome of the wrong 11/tactical plan from the start.
I again think I may be at odds with some of the views here, but, if I were a player and had been hooked in the manner of Thomas and Dozzell, I would want to be told exactly how and why I'd under-performed so I could, work on my game going forwards. It's just a bit of glib 'manager-speak' on Warburton's part to tell the media it could have been any one of a number of players who went off - we're not stupid, and obviously, he took those two off specifically because they either couldn't or weren't enabled to do a job for the team and affect the match positively. I still have yet to see what Thomas brings to the party - he seems off the pace both physically and mentally, appears to have injury issues, and doesn't look match fit to me. Dozzell may or may not come good in the right system, but he was a rabbit caught in the Tykes' headlights yesterday. Hopefully, Warburton's being more honest behind closed doors and knows how to get the best of both, even if it seems to be taking a long time with Thomas in particular.
Albert needs to start games at least some of the time at home in my opinion, as he brings so much width, creativity and cleverness in the attacking third, as well as greatly improving the service into Austin and/or Dykes. Every manager has his blind spots, and this for me is Warburton's. Unc loves playing for QPR, fitted in wonderfully well yesterday, and we wouldn't have got that point without him on one wing and an irrepressible Chair on the other. That crossfield ball to the latter for the equaliser was also a thing of beauty. He needs to be on the first team sheet against Coventry, no question.
Though I've been accused of being a 'glass half-empty' merchant elsewhere, I take a glass half-full' attitude to yesterday's classic example of the proverbial game of two halves. Very encouraging that my raging questions about the team's character, desire and competence at half-time were so satisfyingly answered after the coaching team changed the shape. On another day, we could even have won it. We might even go top if we beat Coventry, and that would be a fabulously flying start in anyone's book.
A long, long way to go, and injuries/supensions are likely to affect us, but we have guts, quality and passion aplenty, with clear signs of real expertise on the sidelines. Onwards and hopefully upwards! [Post edited 22 Aug 2021 22:20]
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Your obsession with what Warbs tells the media is inceasingly bizarre.
Do you think he says nothing else to the players? Do you think he says the same thing to the players?
Constantly absolutely flabbergsted by the importance some fans attach to 2 minutes of chat after a 90 minute game. If you cannot see what an outstanding man manager he clearly is (it's been evident his entire time here that players adore playing for him) I despair. That's not to say he's faultless, of course not, as I'm sure he'd say himself.
Totally disagree about the fatigue too - it was patently obvious for the whole game fatigue was playing a major part - as well as the wrong selection.
Thomas to me is completely devoid of confidence at the moment, because Warbs is clearly seeing something else in training to what we're seeing. On Sat he received the ball about 10 times, and passed it back to Dickie 10 times. No thought, no belief, that he could rinse his man, in stark contrast to Adomah. Being out of position only exacerbated that. Thought he was playing well at the end of last season and showing signs of why we bought him. Not writing him off yet (some, of course, wrote Willock off after one sub appearance last season). | |
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| Adomah and Ball reach into the fire to grasp unlikely point - Report on 09:23 - Aug 23 with 1750 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Adomah and Ball reach into the fire to grasp unlikely point - Report on 22:01 - Aug 22 by FrankRightguard |
At the moment once a booking is issued the keeper, or whoever, can basically waste all the time they like as no ref has balls big enough to book them again. That why the booking invariably comes late in the game as they then don’t have enough time to have to make a decision.
Utter nonsense.
Another thing that would speed the game up immeasurably is if they went back to the ref deciding what side a goal kick is to be taken from. Never understood why they changed that in the first place. [Post edited 22 Aug 2021 22:22]
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I think weirdly that was actually to try and speed the game up (allowing keeper to take it from the nearest spot on the 6 yard box)! But it made things worse. | |
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| Adomah and Ball reach into the fire to grasp unlikely point - Report on 09:47 - Aug 23 with 1694 views | gazza1 |
MW 'cocked up' with team selection basically - no question at all. He took off the two players who were the problems and also moved Kakay to his natural area of the pitch. That is MW error and he knew it very soon after the game started.
He is not going to tell the press or us anything else much & rightly so, it will be discussed internally, for sure, when they look back at the match video's.
I didn't see the SJ incident too well but I did see Chair's and he lost it 'big time' and contrary to some views, he has that in him & we will see it again - seen it before from him. You have to have some nastiness in this game of football otherwise you will suffer from the bullies on the field of play & there are quite a few. Sending off, maybe, but it was a pretty close thing. Didn't think the ref was great on many of his decisions. | | | |
| Adomah and Ball reach into the fire to grasp unlikely point - Report on 10:36 - Aug 23 with 1624 views | ozexile |
| Adomah and Ball reach into the fire to grasp unlikely point - Report on 00:11 - Aug 23 by simmo |
Difference with Moncur is that he left the floor, if you jump in you can't maintain control and protect yourself or the player, Chair was late and high but he stayed on the deck. If he'd lunged it would 100% be a red. |
Having watched it a few times. I think the only thing that saved Chair was the fact he'd just scored and the ref could tell his adrenaline was through the roof. I know that shouldn't come into it, as a red should be a red in any circumstance. | | | |
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| Adomah and Ball reach into the fire to grasp unlikely point - Report on 10:47 - Aug 23 with 1601 views | rsonist |
Excellent report, agree with all of it.
stainrods has been flogging the public scapegoating horse for several years... ignores the same patient replies every time.
Clough Jr has always been a bottled-up psycho, has longstanding form for doing what he did this weekend. Also that time Billy Davies said he kneed him in the back. Something about growing up under his old man I suppose.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/h
https://www.theguardian.com/sp |  | | |
| Adomah and Ball reach into the fire to grasp unlikely point - Report on 11:00 - Aug 23 with 1582 views | rsonist |
| Adomah and Ball reach into the fire to grasp unlikely point - Report on 01:12 - Aug 23 by simmo |
What I also think this game showed, along with the Millwall game to a lesser degree, is that our first 11 is top 6 and whilst a few others can deputise with only moderate drop off, anything outside those 12 or 13 first teamers means we will struggle...
The difference between the likes of Dykes to Kelman, Chair to Thomas, Stef to Andre, Dieng to Archer - it's massive. I've said it a few times but we're putting considerable faith/hope in our medical team getting this tight squad through a Champ season and I think our success in doing that will ultimately be the difference between playoffs or not. |
Yeah I think this must be the worst the absentee list has been for a long time - factor in stuff like Johansen barely training too according to MW. Speaks volumes we're keeping momentum going.
Can also frame quality in terms of consistency... we have a trusty core and then the further out you go the more form dips in and out as we've seen recently with Odubajo, Ball, Adomah. The thing with the bloated squads of the relegated sides that we saw ground out form so well last season is some overpaid waster is simply more likely to come in and give you the mediocre 6/10 you need to get by instead of the fluctuations between 7 and 5 (or higher/lower) we have to manage. | | | |
| Adomah and Ball reach into the fire to grasp unlikely point - Report on 11:02 - Aug 23 with 1583 views | Northernr |
| Adomah and Ball reach into the fire to grasp unlikely point - Report on 10:47 - Aug 23 by rsonist |
Excellent report, agree with all of it.
stainrods has been flogging the public scapegoating horse for several years... ignores the same patient replies every time.
Clough Jr has always been a bottled-up psycho, has longstanding form for doing what he did this weekend. Also that time Billy Davies said he kneed him in the back. Something about growing up under his old man I suppose.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/h
https://www.theguardian.com/sp |
There's always the nuclear option...
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| Adomah and Ball reach into the fire to grasp unlikely point - Report on 11:17 - Aug 23 with 1558 views | GeorgeKulscar |
| Adomah and Ball reach into the fire to grasp unlikely point - Report on 09:14 - Aug 23 by Antti_Heinola |
I was wondering whether there could be a law change when the ref gets fed up and blows his whistle, and if the keeper does not take the kick or put the ball down within 3 seconds, it's a foul and a yellow card.
Agree with you on the Johansen foul as I've said in another thread. To me, that was a triple-threat: stopping an overload overlap; no attempt to play the ball; reckless (because no attempt to play the ball). Pinner will say reckless is yellow not red, but that's not my point - those three things together should add to a red. A bit like that Wales player that got sent off at the Euros - strictly, that wasn't a red, but it was so petulant and nasty, it totally deserved it.
Also agree Chair is a very, very lucky boy. I thought he was going to get a red at the time, and you could see the challenge coming a mile off. Maybe what just saved him was that it wasn't high, and both players were on the ground, but would not have argued with a red there. I'd have just been heartbroken. I hate 'he's not that sort of player' (they almost always are) but Chair doesn't make those challenges, hopefully he'll learn from it and try to control the adrenaline in future. |
I think with that type of Johansen foul, the very cynical card that is somewhere between a yellow and a red', would be perfectly suited for a sin-bin type punishment, similar to a yellow card in rugby.
I think then you'd have a punishment that befits the foul, as I don't think you want to see players get sent off for the whole game for professional fouling. As Clive says in his report, there should be some differentiation between this foul and the kind of petulant yellow Barbet picked up in the aftermath. Cynical fouls are part of the game though and we often praise players who know when to make them, so a sin-bin would tip the balance towards the attacking team without having a sending off every game and completely ridding the game of professional fouls.
Whether teams could really utilise a 15-20 minute period with a man advantage is a different question though. |  | | |
| Adomah and Ball reach into the fire to grasp unlikely point - Report on 12:14 - Aug 23 with 1478 views | CiderwithRsie |
| Adomah and Ball reach into the fire to grasp unlikely point - Report on 09:22 - Aug 23 by Antti_Heinola |
Your obsession with what Warbs tells the media is inceasingly bizarre.
Do you think he says nothing else to the players? Do you think he says the same thing to the players?
Constantly absolutely flabbergsted by the importance some fans attach to 2 minutes of chat after a 90 minute game. If you cannot see what an outstanding man manager he clearly is (it's been evident his entire time here that players adore playing for him) I despair. That's not to say he's faultless, of course not, as I'm sure he'd say himself.
Totally disagree about the fatigue too - it was patently obvious for the whole game fatigue was playing a major part - as well as the wrong selection.
Thomas to me is completely devoid of confidence at the moment, because Warbs is clearly seeing something else in training to what we're seeing. On Sat he received the ball about 10 times, and passed it back to Dickie 10 times. No thought, no belief, that he could rinse his man, in stark contrast to Adomah. Being out of position only exacerbated that. Thought he was playing well at the end of last season and showing signs of why we bought him. Not writing him off yet (some, of course, wrote Willock off after one sub appearance last season). |
I couldn't care less what the manager says to the press or what hat he wears or what he sits on. It's all nonsense to pad out media product and nothing to do with football.
I've no doubt at all fatigue was a huge issue and don't imagine for a second we'd have started with that line-up otherwise. And we will pay a price for having brought Ball on so soon, he will have used up reserves that Warbs will have wanted for Saturday. I really don't want him playing in Tuesday whatever the cost. | | | |
| Adomah and Ball reach into the fire to grasp unlikely point - Report on 12:19 - Aug 23 with 1471 views | Northernr |
| Adomah and Ball reach into the fire to grasp unlikely point - Report on 11:17 - Aug 23 by GeorgeKulscar |
I think with that type of Johansen foul, the very cynical card that is somewhere between a yellow and a red', would be perfectly suited for a sin-bin type punishment, similar to a yellow card in rugby.
I think then you'd have a punishment that befits the foul, as I don't think you want to see players get sent off for the whole game for professional fouling. As Clive says in his report, there should be some differentiation between this foul and the kind of petulant yellow Barbet picked up in the aftermath. Cynical fouls are part of the game though and we often praise players who know when to make them, so a sin-bin would tip the balance towards the attacking team without having a sending off every game and completely ridding the game of professional fouls.
Whether teams could really utilise a 15-20 minute period with a man advantage is a different question though. |
The reason I thought it was a red on this occasion is because it's two footed, from behing, and quite high up Johansen's calf, as well as all the other stuff about it being deliberate and cynical. | | | |
| Adomah and Ball reach into the fire to grasp unlikely point - Report on 12:24 - Aug 23 with 1462 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Adomah and Ball reach into the fire to grasp unlikely point - Report on 11:17 - Aug 23 by GeorgeKulscar |
I think with that type of Johansen foul, the very cynical card that is somewhere between a yellow and a red', would be perfectly suited for a sin-bin type punishment, similar to a yellow card in rugby.
I think then you'd have a punishment that befits the foul, as I don't think you want to see players get sent off for the whole game for professional fouling. As Clive says in his report, there should be some differentiation between this foul and the kind of petulant yellow Barbet picked up in the aftermath. Cynical fouls are part of the game though and we often praise players who know when to make them, so a sin-bin would tip the balance towards the attacking team without having a sending off every game and completely ridding the game of professional fouls.
Whether teams could really utilise a 15-20 minute period with a man advantage is a different question though. |
Not really a fan of the sin bin idea, but not 100% against. As for the 'part of the game' - here's what i said in another thread on that. Appreciate I'm in a massive minority.
'Fans and pundits are often, imo, far too obsessed with diving, and let those sort of challenges go, even cheering them as 'professional' and 'taking a yellow for the team.' I'm in a minority of one who does not see Gary O'Neil as a hero in the play-off final. He cheated. I'm glad we won of course, but it was not heroic.
In my view, this blatant, out and out cheating should be punishable by a red - the Johansen one in particular. The key for me here is that there is no attempt at all to play the ball. A pull of the shirt at least runs no risk of injury, but the one on Johansen could have resulted in injury AND there was no attempt to play the ball AND it stopped a very favourable break. For me, those three things together should (I know they don't) equal a red.' | |
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| Adomah and Ball reach into the fire to grasp unlikely point - Report on 13:12 - Aug 23 with 1390 views | gazza1 |
| Adomah and Ball reach into the fire to grasp unlikely point - Report on 12:24 - Aug 23 by Antti_Heinola |
Not really a fan of the sin bin idea, but not 100% against. As for the 'part of the game' - here's what i said in another thread on that. Appreciate I'm in a massive minority.
'Fans and pundits are often, imo, far too obsessed with diving, and let those sort of challenges go, even cheering them as 'professional' and 'taking a yellow for the team.' I'm in a minority of one who does not see Gary O'Neil as a hero in the play-off final. He cheated. I'm glad we won of course, but it was not heroic.
In my view, this blatant, out and out cheating should be punishable by a red - the Johansen one in particular. The key for me here is that there is no attempt at all to play the ball. A pull of the shirt at least runs no risk of injury, but the one on Johansen could have resulted in injury AND there was no attempt to play the ball AND it stopped a very favourable break. For me, those three things together should (I know they don't) equal a red.' |
Cheating goes on all of the time during games by most of the players....... | | | |
| Adomah and Ball reach into the fire to grasp unlikely point - Report on 13:44 - Aug 23 with 1348 views | NW5Hoop |
We sit in the front row of the paddocks, near the away dug out, so pretty much in front of where the Chair foul happened. And I have to say, from that close, it didn't actually look that bad —Â it had all the signifiers of bad (late, sliding etc) without actually seeming bad. It looked very slow — so slow in fact that Chair had time to make sure his studs weren't going to go in. The Barnsley lad, other than going down, didn't make a huge fuss, and shook Chair's hand while he was still down. So I get everyone else saying it was a red, but it actually didn't look that way from close to. | | | |
| Adomah and Ball reach into the fire to grasp unlikely point - Report on 14:02 - Aug 23 with 1307 views | MrSheen |
| Adomah and Ball reach into the fire to grasp unlikely point - Report on 13:44 - Aug 23 by NW5Hoop |
We sit in the front row of the paddocks, near the away dug out, so pretty much in front of where the Chair foul happened. And I have to say, from that close, it didn't actually look that bad —Â it had all the signifiers of bad (late, sliding etc) without actually seeming bad. It looked very slow — so slow in fact that Chair had time to make sure his studs weren't going to go in. The Barnsley lad, other than going down, didn't make a huge fuss, and shook Chair's hand while he was still down. So I get everyone else saying it was a red, but it actually didn't look that way from close to. |
Interesting perspective. It looked terrible from the other side of the field, perhaps because what we could see most of was Chair flying towards us, not where and how he made contact with the Barnsley player. Johansen's was right in front of us, didn't look that dangerous, calculated to stop him before he could play the ball or cross the half way line, which might have raised the penalty. |  | | |
| Adomah and Ball reach into the fire to grasp unlikely point - Report on 14:34 - Aug 23 with 1262 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Adomah and Ball reach into the fire to grasp unlikely point - Report on 02:22 - Aug 23 by nix |
I agree but also the number of replacements makes a massive difference. So we could have managed without Wallace possibly if Field had been playing (covering more ground, holding onto the ball better and making more tackles) or Dykes (covering more ground and holding the ball up better) or Odubajo (better passing, better defending, generally more influence on the game than Thomas).
But having several missing makes a collective difference and offers our opponents more weak spots to exploit. |
It only made a massive difference because Warburton got the starting selection wrong. Ball should have started. Kakay a like-for-like replacement for Odubajo at right-back, ditto Austin for Dykes. The only real selection headache was replacing Wallace at left-back. This was eminently solvable by shifting Barbet to the left and introducing Dunne in the centre but instead MW got too cute with his tactics and outsmarted himself.
To his credit, MW realised that he'd dropped a clanger, made early subs and moved to the more obvious formation that he should've started with. Hey presto; goodbye weak spots and hello attacking threat. |  | | |
| Adomah and Ball reach into the fire to grasp unlikely point - Report on 16:05 - Aug 23 with 1171 views | gazza1 |
| Adomah and Ball reach into the fire to grasp unlikely point - Report on 14:34 - Aug 23 by Benny_the_Ball |
It only made a massive difference because Warburton got the starting selection wrong. Ball should have started. Kakay a like-for-like replacement for Odubajo at right-back, ditto Austin for Dykes. The only real selection headache was replacing Wallace at left-back. This was eminently solvable by shifting Barbet to the left and introducing Dunne in the centre but instead MW got too cute with his tactics and outsmarted himself.
To his credit, MW realised that he'd dropped a clanger, made early subs and moved to the more obvious formation that he should've started with. Hey presto; goodbye weak spots and hello attacking threat. |
I believe that you are right Benny........
Just wondering are you a MW fan or not? Doesn't bother me really but just wondering. | | | |
| Adomah and Ball reach into the fire to grasp unlikely point - Report on 16:36 - Aug 23 with 1147 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Adomah and Ball reach into the fire to grasp unlikely point - Report on 14:34 - Aug 23 by Benny_the_Ball |
It only made a massive difference because Warburton got the starting selection wrong. Ball should have started. Kakay a like-for-like replacement for Odubajo at right-back, ditto Austin for Dykes. The only real selection headache was replacing Wallace at left-back. This was eminently solvable by shifting Barbet to the left and introducing Dunne in the centre but instead MW got too cute with his tactics and outsmarted himself.
To his credit, MW realised that he'd dropped a clanger, made early subs and moved to the more obvious formation that he should've started with. Hey presto; goodbye weak spots and hello attacking threat. |
Plenty of sound reasons why Warbs made the decisions he did.
It’s never as black and white as youre making out here. | |
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| Adomah and Ball reach into the fire to grasp unlikely point - Report on 17:22 - Aug 23 with 1082 views | daveB |
| Adomah and Ball reach into the fire to grasp unlikely point - Report on 14:34 - Aug 23 by Benny_the_Ball |
It only made a massive difference because Warburton got the starting selection wrong. Ball should have started. Kakay a like-for-like replacement for Odubajo at right-back, ditto Austin for Dykes. The only real selection headache was replacing Wallace at left-back. This was eminently solvable by shifting Barbet to the left and introducing Dunne in the centre but instead MW got too cute with his tactics and outsmarted himself.
To his credit, MW realised that he'd dropped a clanger, made early subs and moved to the more obvious formation that he should've started with. Hey presto; goodbye weak spots and hello attacking threat. |
I thought he made too many changes to cover the 2 full backs being out. He over thought it imo and caused more problems than he solved with that team but massive credit to him for changing the system quite early and then making the subs soon after |  | | |
| Adomah and Ball reach into the fire to grasp unlikely point - Report on 17:55 - Aug 23 with 1045 views | francisbowles |
| Adomah and Ball reach into the fire to grasp unlikely point - Report on 17:22 - Aug 23 by daveB |
I thought he made too many changes to cover the 2 full backs being out. He over thought it imo and caused more problems than he solved with that team but massive credit to him for changing the system quite early and then making the subs soon after |
He tried to keep the system the same and probably thought Thomas was going to give us more defensively than Albert as a rwb. It didn't work, as on the day, Osman struggled at lwb, Dozell had a poor game and George although he found his teammates regularly with passes wasn't able to offer the needed attacking width. With the Jordy injury, we went to a back four and Albert was in his natural position backed up by Kakay | | | |
| Adomah and Ball reach into the fire to grasp unlikely point - Report on 18:07 - Aug 23 with 1031 views | PinnerPaul |
| Adomah and Ball reach into the fire to grasp unlikely point - Report on 17:16 - Aug 22 by Northernr |
On the 6 second thing specifically, there must surely be some point between 6 second and 30 seconds where it becomes too ridiculous to ignore. I’ll go back through the second half and find the time stamp but we had him at 25 seconds for one of them. |
I agree about the 6 seconds.
I timed Lumley at 21 and Seny at 20 on Weds!
Thing is, you and I both watch a lot of football, I can remember ONE free kick awarded for infringing that law. Guess what, the reason I remember it, is Andy Townsend said "Typical of this referee to award a free kick for that, while missing so much else"!
Can you recall it ever being given?
Obviously it needs PGMOL to tell referees to clamp down - and yes I agree that doesn't mean after 7 seconds, but 20 is a joke. | | | |
| Adomah and Ball reach into the fire to grasp unlikely point - Report on 18:10 - Aug 23 with 1029 views | PinnerPaul |
| Adomah and Ball reach into the fire to grasp unlikely point - Report on 20:29 - Aug 22 by BazzaInTheLoft |
As a ref, what’s your opinion on a kind of basketball type stopping the clock when the ball is out of play system?
I know time wasting is more about slowing up play rather than wasting time but it’s a start isn’t it? Always thought the time added on thing was odd.
Great report as usual Clive. [Post edited 22 Aug 2021 20:29]
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I agree. Said on another thread football can learn from both Rugby and Hockey re the timing of the game. | | | |
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