| Rangers fan here 14:17 - Nov 24 with 9973 views | yb1872 |
I did try to reply to the other thread but I couldn't see how to do it so feel free admin to drop it in there. Just to ask really if somethings changed since last month with the board and beale, beale said that he has ambitions of going to the highest level which there's nothing wrong with and that's the attitude he should have. When he knocked back the wolves job I said at the time it shows a lack of ambition as the wolves job would be progress for where he wants to end up.
The reason I'm asking if somethings changed between the board and him is because it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to come to us in the spl after knocking back an epl club. Even staying with yourselfs and getting into the play offs would be seen as a bigger achievement on his cv than winning the league with us where he has a budget around 15 times more than every club bar 1. We will still attract managers etc to a decent level as we pay decent enough money. He could win the next 5 leagues in a row with us and it wouldn't guarantee him an epl job as its not really that big an achievement when only competing against 1 team. If we are being honest I don't think anyone would try and argue qpr are a bigger club than what we are. But there's a very genuine argument that doing well at qpr gives him a better chance of getting himself up that ladder than doing well with us. This seems like a backward step.
His appointment isn't very popular with the vast majority of rangers fans up here at all . |  | | |  |
| Rangers fan here on 22:07 - Nov 24 with 3692 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Rangers fan here on 18:48 - Nov 24 by distortR |
Quite a lot has changed between him and the bored, though. |
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| Rangers fan here on 22:31 - Nov 24 with 3592 views | danehoop |
He is probably one of the best young coaches out there at the moment. He is clearly well respected in the game and well connected. He talks a good game, is honest when things go wrong and connects well the fans (well that was true until Wolves came along). He is tactically very astute, a good manager and not at all afraid to change shape/style if Plan A isnt working.
He also clearly enjoyed his time in Glasgow and kept his links up there warm enough to make him be welcomed by senior management and fans.
Is it a good move for a young ambitious but very inexperienced manager this early in his career - maybe. Van Bronkhorst has a similar background and failed with the squad available. I don't see Beale being able to get massive amounts more out of an aging and pretty mixed up squad, so he will need to be backed in the transfer market. That probably for me is key difference between his current role, where he inherited a good and generally young and very skillfull squad which needed a few key additions and comparatively minor adjustments and the job at GR. His connections in the game will help probably more than his predecessor, but how much will he be backed and how realistic will be expectations this year? |  |
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| Glasgow Rangers fan here on 13:21 - Nov 25 with 3288 views | Benny_the_Ball |
I disagree that turning the Wolves job down showed a lack of ambition. Yes, Beale has aspirations of managing at a higher level, but Wolves are currently struggling and QPR were top of the championship when they came calling. I suspect that when he spoke with the Wolves board, he sought assurances that they would invest in January. If those assurances weren't forthcoming, then taking the job would be a big risk. Glasgow Rangers, on the other hand, isn't a risky decision. They play in a league where top 2 is practically guaranteed and Champions League football is on the table. If he takes the job, then he'll be walking into a club he knows well. Succeed there and he'll generate interest from the PL. Fail and he can console himself with another Championship role.
P.S. I altered the title as, per Brian's guidance, we too refer to ourselves as Rangers. [Post edited 25 Nov 2022 13:24]
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| Glasgow Rangers fan here on 15:34 - Nov 25 with 3138 views | francisbowles |
| Glasgow Rangers fan here on 13:21 - Nov 25 by Benny_the_Ball |
I disagree that turning the Wolves job down showed a lack of ambition. Yes, Beale has aspirations of managing at a higher level, but Wolves are currently struggling and QPR were top of the championship when they came calling. I suspect that when he spoke with the Wolves board, he sought assurances that they would invest in January. If those assurances weren't forthcoming, then taking the job would be a big risk. Glasgow Rangers, on the other hand, isn't a risky decision. They play in a league where top 2 is practically guaranteed and Champions League football is on the table. If he takes the job, then he'll be walking into a club he knows well. Succeed there and he'll generate interest from the PL. Fail and he can console himself with another Championship role.
P.S. I altered the title as, per Brian's guidance, we too refer to ourselves as Rangers. [Post edited 25 Nov 2022 13:24]
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In case you don't know the two clubs based in Glasgow are Rangers FC and The Celtic Football Club. Glasgow isn't in their official names. | | | |
| Rangers fan here on 14:16 - Nov 26 with 2816 views | OldPedro |
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| Glasgow Rangers fan here on 18:27 - Nov 26 with 2561 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Glasgow Rangers fan here on 15:34 - Nov 25 by francisbowles |
In case you don't know the two clubs based in Glasgow are Rangers FC and The Celtic Football Club. Glasgow isn't in their official names. |
I couldn't care less. If they're going to come on our message board then show some courtesy by specifying Glasgow Rangers as we too refer to ourselves as Rangers. It's pretty obvious and manners cost nothing. | | | |
| Glasgow Rangers fan here on 19:42 - Nov 26 with 2484 views | Lanhoop |
| Glasgow Rangers fan here on 18:27 - Nov 26 by Benny_the_Ball |
I couldn't care less. If they're going to come on our message board then show some courtesy by specifying Glasgow Rangers as we too refer to ourselves as Rangers. It's pretty obvious and manners cost nothing. |
Agree, It's Glasgow Rangers who, no matter how "big" they are, play in the 3rd or 4th best League in the UK. | | | |
| Glasgow Rangers fan here on 11:18 - Nov 27 with 2190 views | francisbowles |
| Glasgow Rangers fan here on 18:27 - Nov 26 by Benny_the_Ball |
I couldn't care less. If they're going to come on our message board then show some courtesy by specifying Glasgow Rangers as we too refer to ourselves as Rangers. It's pretty obvious and manners cost nothing. |
In fairness to the guy, he was a reasonable poster who is used to calling his club by their proper name. He probably wasn't aware that we use Rangers so frequently.
He certainly wasn't rude or disrespectful and IMHO it is wrong of you to suggest so.
In Glasgow they are Rangers and we are QPR.
Never thought I'd be sticking up for the blue half of the old firm.
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| Glasgow Rangers fan here on 01:44 - Dec 4 with 1702 views | yb1872 |
| Glasgow Rangers fan here on 13:21 - Nov 25 by Benny_the_Ball |
I disagree that turning the Wolves job down showed a lack of ambition. Yes, Beale has aspirations of managing at a higher level, but Wolves are currently struggling and QPR were top of the championship when they came calling. I suspect that when he spoke with the Wolves board, he sought assurances that they would invest in January. If those assurances weren't forthcoming, then taking the job would be a big risk. Glasgow Rangers, on the other hand, isn't a risky decision. They play in a league where top 2 is practically guaranteed and Champions League football is on the table. If he takes the job, then he'll be walking into a club he knows well. Succeed there and he'll generate interest from the PL. Fail and he can console himself with another Championship role.
P.S. I altered the title as, per Brian's guidance, we too refer to ourselves as Rangers. [Post edited 25 Nov 2022 13:24]
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Excluding gerrard, who if it wasn't for who he is wouldn't have got the villa job, you have to go back to 1998 to get a manager who's went from us in the spl to an epl side. With them across the city excluding Rodgers, who I'd class is to good for the spl anyway you have to go back to 2006 when Martin O'Neil left. It's not really a stepping stone to get an epl job. I don't think epl boards will rank winning the spl with one of the old firm who has 50 times the budget of who we are competing against as some sort of achievement. If I'm being unbiased I'd probably agree with them, if I'm racing lewis hamilton in a 1 mile straight line but I have a ferrari and Lewis Hamilton is in a Ford fiesta then I'm winning that race, would it be seen as some sort of achievement though ?. I don't think it would. It would look better on his cv getting promoted with yourselfs and arguably a bigger achievement. This won't end well for beale, at the moment the other lot are a good bit infront of us. We need a full rebuild, if he gets it right and wins the league next season it can be argued well so he should given the difference in budgets. He gets this wrong though and it's not going to look good that he's struggled against teams who have 10% of the budget he had to work with. What I'm saying really it's a loose, loose scenario. For all ibrox can be a great stadium for atmosphere when things are going well, it can be toxic when it's not going well. Stray passes get moaned at and the fans get on the players backs.
Going by speaking to people and looking at our forums the vast majority didn't think he should get the job, even had some nutters abusing him on twitter. So he's not going to get the time that say a more popular choice would get given amongst the support. For all the hype around him it seems forgotten that he was part of the set up at villa that wasn't good enough. | | | |
| Glasgow Rangers fan here on 02:39 - Dec 4 with 1634 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Glasgow Rangers fan here on 01:44 - Dec 4 by yb1872 |
Excluding gerrard, who if it wasn't for who he is wouldn't have got the villa job, you have to go back to 1998 to get a manager who's went from us in the spl to an epl side. With them across the city excluding Rodgers, who I'd class is to good for the spl anyway you have to go back to 2006 when Martin O'Neil left. It's not really a stepping stone to get an epl job. I don't think epl boards will rank winning the spl with one of the old firm who has 50 times the budget of who we are competing against as some sort of achievement. If I'm being unbiased I'd probably agree with them, if I'm racing lewis hamilton in a 1 mile straight line but I have a ferrari and Lewis Hamilton is in a Ford fiesta then I'm winning that race, would it be seen as some sort of achievement though ?. I don't think it would. It would look better on his cv getting promoted with yourselfs and arguably a bigger achievement. This won't end well for beale, at the moment the other lot are a good bit infront of us. We need a full rebuild, if he gets it right and wins the league next season it can be argued well so he should given the difference in budgets. He gets this wrong though and it's not going to look good that he's struggled against teams who have 10% of the budget he had to work with. What I'm saying really it's a loose, loose scenario. For all ibrox can be a great stadium for atmosphere when things are going well, it can be toxic when it's not going well. Stray passes get moaned at and the fans get on the players backs.
Going by speaking to people and looking at our forums the vast majority didn't think he should get the job, even had some nutters abusing him on twitter. So he's not going to get the time that say a more popular choice would get given amongst the support. For all the hype around him it seems forgotten that he was part of the set up at villa that wasn't good enough. |
All in all mate, I wouldn’t look for logic in his arrival.
I think he’s driven solely by ego, and I think he believes he’s going to stroll in and win a SPL title straight away, which as we all know isn’t as easy as it looks.
Good luck, and I hope Rangers fans know we aren’t cheesed off with them or the club but rather with him.
Beware mate. I wouldn’t be surprised if he became the first manager to cross the divide. |  | | |
| Glasgow Rangers fan here on 04:03 - Dec 4 with 1596 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Glasgow Rangers fan here on 11:18 - Nov 27 by francisbowles |
In fairness to the guy, he was a reasonable poster who is used to calling his club by their proper name. He probably wasn't aware that we use Rangers so frequently.
He certainly wasn't rude or disrespectful and IMHO it is wrong of you to suggest so.
In Glasgow they are Rangers and we are QPR.
Never thought I'd be sticking up for the blue half of the old firm.
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Where exactly did I state that he was rude or disrespectful? Read posts properly before responding because IMHO it's wrong of you to say that I suggested something that I didn't.
In Glasgow they may well be Rangers and we are QPR, but we aren't in Glasgow. He chose to visit our message board so it's incumbent upon him to adjust and understand our colloquialisms, not visa-versa.
Now stop kissing his ringhole and move on. Beale's history so I'm more interested in who's incoming than the musings of the blue half of Glasgow. Like Ange, that's registering below what I'm having for dinner tonight. [Post edited 4 Dec 2022 4:12]
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| Glasgow Rangers fan here on 07:59 - Dec 4 with 1455 views | distortR |
| Glasgow Rangers fan here on 02:39 - Dec 4 by BazzaInTheLoft |
All in all mate, I wouldn’t look for logic in his arrival.
I think he’s driven solely by ego, and I think he believes he’s going to stroll in and win a SPL title straight away, which as we all know isn’t as easy as it looks.
Good luck, and I hope Rangers fans know we aren’t cheesed off with them or the club but rather with him.
Beware mate. I wouldn’t be surprised if he became the first manager to cross the divide. |
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| Glasgow Rangers fan here on 08:23 - Dec 4 with 1410 views | yb1872 |
| Glasgow Rangers fan here on 02:39 - Dec 4 by BazzaInTheLoft |
All in all mate, I wouldn’t look for logic in his arrival.
I think he’s driven solely by ego, and I think he believes he’s going to stroll in and win a SPL title straight away, which as we all know isn’t as easy as it looks.
Good luck, and I hope Rangers fans know we aren’t cheesed off with them or the club but rather with him.
Beware mate. I wouldn’t be surprised if he became the first manager to cross the divide. |
I've not had any ill feeling towards a club who's taken a player or a manager from my club since I was about 15 years old tbh. There hasn't been any real comments on here hoping we fail to be fair and I wasn't expecting there to be unless it was from a few younger ones. Good luck for the rest of the season anyways, who knows, this could be a blessing in disguise on your route back to the epl. | | | |
| Glasgow Rangers fan here on 09:53 - Dec 4 with 1255 views | francisbowles |
| Glasgow Rangers fan here on 04:03 - Dec 4 by Benny_the_Ball |
Where exactly did I state that he was rude or disrespectful? Read posts properly before responding because IMHO it's wrong of you to say that I suggested something that I didn't.
In Glasgow they may well be Rangers and we are QPR, but we aren't in Glasgow. He chose to visit our message board so it's incumbent upon him to adjust and understand our colloquialisms, not visa-versa.
Now stop kissing his ringhole and move on. Beale's history so I'm more interested in who's incoming than the musings of the blue half of Glasgow. Like Ange, that's registering below what I'm having for dinner tonight. [Post edited 4 Dec 2022 4:12]
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'If they're going to come on our message board then show some courtesy'
'It's pretty obvious and manners cost nothing'
I believe I read it properly and you intimated just that with the above comments.
Agree with you on your last point, though.
'so I'm more interested in who's incoming than the musings of the blue half of Glasgow. Like Ange, that's registering below what I'm having for dinner tonight.' | | | |
| Glasgow Rangers fan here on 12:00 - Dec 4 with 1124 views | SydneyRs |
| Glasgow Rangers fan here on 15:34 - Nov 25 by francisbowles |
In case you don't know the two clubs based in Glasgow are Rangers FC and The Celtic Football Club. Glasgow isn't in their official names. |
Sevco Scotland or "the Rangers" these days. Original Rangers died after liquidation in 2012 with huge tax debts that were never paid. Hence the constant and desperate references to "55". | | | |
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