| Serious Question - Is Les now a distraction we cannot no longer afford? 18:54 - Apr 17 with 6898 views | Hooping_Mad |
If the club/board plan on keeping him around then they should probably confirm that and we all move forward happy or sad. The current situation isn't really tenable any longer is it?
If he's going in summer then perhaps some gardening leave is in order from here on in, keeping him retained doesn't appear to be to our advantage as things stand.
Ironic from me but, a pair of boll*cks please QPR. |  |
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| Serious Question - Is Les now a distraction we cannot no longer afford? on 21:42 - Apr 17 with 1513 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Serious Question - Is Les now a distraction we cannot no longer afford? on 20:58 - Apr 17 by PlanetHonneywood |
Ok so Les has been here 8 years, and even if he were on successive fixed term contracts, because he's been here for over 4 years, it's likely that he's now on a permanent contract (unless as a DoF, such a role can lawfully remain on a fixed term basis).
So, if he's permanent, then given our financial situation and the fact we need to change the football side of our operation, it would seem to me that the spectre of redundancy looms over many on the payroll.
Accordingly, and to ensure any such dismissal is seen as being fair by way of lawful redundancy, then QPR really ought to be getting or at least thinking about getting their ducks lined up by first, undertaking a review to establish there is a need to make X number of staff redundant, before undertaking a fair selection process. Not easy of course, but that's how I'd be thinking of moving him on.
In any event, he's lawfully entitled to a severence payment for the termination of either a fixed term or full-time contract. My point is that while we can debate the mechanics and timing for his 'predicted' departure all we like, but let's not let it drag on.
All this being said, I'd be very surprised if there weren't some conversations already taking place behind the scenes. |
There is a lot of space between not letting it drag on a sacking him leas than 48 hours before a crucial game. |  | | |
| Serious Question - Is Les now a distraction we cannot no longer afford? on 22:09 - Apr 17 with 1454 views | Hooping_Mad |
| Serious Question - Is Les now a distraction we cannot no longer afford? on 21:41 - Apr 17 by daveB |
Robinson was signed before Les came in by Redknapp and was loaned out for a season.
I thought Kelly and Leistner were both Ok |
Leistner seemed a good pro but just wasn't very good, I liked Kelly but when he got a run of games he was like a headless chicken. | |
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| Serious Question - Is Les now a distraction we cannot no longer afford? on 23:18 - Apr 17 with 1380 views | connell10 |
| Serious Question - Is Les now a distraction we cannot no longer afford? on 19:31 - Apr 17 by bosh67 |
Clark-Salter
Roberts
Richards
Balogun
Laird
Iroegbunam
Paal
Forget any actual talent, all players signed by Beale.
Of those only Iroegbunam and Paal have played a number of games and Iroegbunam is now out. The rest have been a disaster playing time wise. So people solely blaming Les should look at Beale and the scouts that allowed players with disastrous injury records to come here.
For me Beale, his signings and his behaviour has so much to do with the current horrors we face. Critchley inherited a bunch of crocks. Ainsworth inherited a bunch of crocks. Mostly courtesy of Beale. |
Hang on minute , isn't it Les,s job to turn round to boil face and say no ? Otherwise what's the point of a DOF? In the defence of our DOF it wouldn't surprise me if the board do alot of things over his and probably undermine him. But I think it's time he left. |  |
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| Serious Question - Is Les now a distraction we cannot no longer afford? on 23:40 - Apr 17 with 1349 views | daveB |
| Serious Question - Is Les now a distraction we cannot no longer afford? on 23:18 - Apr 17 by connell10 |
Hang on minute , isn't it Les,s job to turn round to boil face and say no ? Otherwise what's the point of a DOF? In the defence of our DOF it wouldn't surprise me if the board do alot of things over his and probably undermine him. But I think it's time he left. |
To a point yes but it's not a black and white issue.
Out of those signings which one should Les have said no to at the time?
The free transfer centre half who has done well at this level before and seems on paper to be the ideal Barbet replacement?
The senior centre half the team clearly needs as despite a promising start they still can't defend?
The Premier League right back on loan when we didn't have a decent one and were all saying we desperately needed one.
The left back who ticked every box and had fans comparing him to Clive Wilson after 5 games
The other loans in positions that needed strengthening. Was the Roberts signing any different to other loan strikers they have gone for in the last few years, some of them worked some didn't.
Richards who seems to be similar in style to the Eze, Willock and Chair signings, raw but talented.
In hindsight the signings look shit now but and I'm sure a few on here were saying that at the time but if he puts his neck on the line to moved Warburton on and bring in Beale it would have been a bold move to then say no you can't have these players.
He should certainly be saying no if we can't afford them but a lot of the criticism is with hindsight.
If Beale stays these signings don't look anywhere near as bad imo, they were brought in to play his style of football and were doing well with it, we've then brought in 2 very different styles and those same players look awful |  | | |
| Serious Question - Is Les now a distraction we cannot no longer afford? on 23:58 - Apr 17 with 1319 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
He's off to Hong Kong next week, Newcastle must be on the telly again soon and the window has closed, so he can't f*ck too much up in the next three weeks. | | | |
| Serious Question - Is Les now a distraction we cannot no longer afford? on 01:16 - Apr 18 with 1293 views | Loftgirl |
| Serious Question - Is Les now a distraction we cannot no longer afford? on 18:58 - Apr 17 by Rangersw12 |
Ok Les goes tomorrow, what changes at the club?? |
500 grand a year? |  | | |
| Serious Question - Is Les now a distraction we cannot no longer afford? on 05:47 - Apr 18 with 1237 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Serious Question - Is Les now a distraction we cannot no longer afford? on 21:37 - Apr 17 by daveB |
The whole reason Les is there is because the owners do not want to run the club day to day, they don't want to have to deal with the manager they took a step away 8 years ago and haven't been back since. Les is left in charge of the football side so is the one who deals with the manager, scouts, coaches etc and Hoos deals with the day to day running of the club
Now I'd agree it's probably time that les didn't do that role anymore but the real issue is going to be when he does go who they replace him with as the owners will not be wanting to run this day to day, do they dump it all on Hoos, let Ainsworth run it all including the academy and scouting or get in a new director of football
Sacking Les is seen by many as the big answer to our problems, it really won't be |
Spot on.
There are much, much bigger problems at the club than our DoF. Too many times it appears the owners have either side stepped or over ruled the DoF. The re-signing of Austin and appointing Ainsworth are two pretty obvious examples.
No DoF system can work if there is interference from the owners. They dont want the grief/hassle of the day to day stuff, but time to unveil a returning 'legend' then they step in. | |
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| Serious Question - Is Les now a distraction we cannot no longer afford? on 07:45 - Apr 18 with 1191 views | essextaxiboy |
| Serious Question - Is Les now a distraction we cannot no longer afford? on 19:43 - Apr 17 by paulhoop2 |
Really boring now threads like these and youth set up is Chris Ramseys domain not Les |
Who retains Ramsey? Or any of the failing coaching and developement staff?
If its got anything to to with the ffootball side of the club the buck stops with Ferdinand ?.. its in the jjob title . |  | | |
| Serious Question - Is Les now a distraction we cannot no longer afford? on 08:15 - Apr 18 with 1168 views | daveB |
| Serious Question - Is Les now a distraction we cannot no longer afford? on 01:16 - Apr 18 by Loftgirl |
500 grand a year? |
assuming we'd be replacing him you don't really save that money you just give it to someone else much like releasing a player this summer on a lot more than 500k a year they will be replaced by someone else | | | |
| Serious Question - Is Les now a distraction we cannot no longer afford? on 08:20 - Apr 18 with 1161 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| Serious Question - Is Les now a distraction we cannot no longer afford? on 21:37 - Apr 17 by daveB |
The whole reason Les is there is because the owners do not want to run the club day to day, they don't want to have to deal with the manager they took a step away 8 years ago and haven't been back since. Les is left in charge of the football side so is the one who deals with the manager, scouts, coaches etc and Hoos deals with the day to day running of the club
Now I'd agree it's probably time that les didn't do that role anymore but the real issue is going to be when he does go who they replace him with as the owners will not be wanting to run this day to day, do they dump it all on Hoos, let Ainsworth run it all including the academy and scouting or get in a new director of football
Sacking Les is seen by many as the big answer to our problems, it really won't be |
Go back to August 2011 and the problem was identified by so many of us back then: what do these Malay guys know about running a football club?
As was pointed out by more than one of us at the time: there was no real institutional football knowledge in the hierarchy and matters were compounded by appointing an events man in Beard to run it.
With the exception of Warnock, no one down there wearing a suit or tracksuit (too early to add Cuban heels to the list) has left things in better shape then they found it. After 12 years the ineptitude is so deeply ingrained, that it surely needs a complete reset.
Upshot: surely there are better suits/tracksuits out there because I'm not convinced those that have steered us here can get set us on a better course....yeah, I know: money issues!! What an effing mess. |  |
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| Serious Question - Is Les now a distraction we cannot no longer afford? on 08:21 - Apr 18 with 1162 views | Hooping_Mad |
| Serious Question - Is Les now a distraction we cannot no longer afford? on 19:40 - Apr 17 by Whip_It |
I'm not really sure what the case against Les actually is. I keep seeing references to 'his mates' and his 'lack of qualifications', and then I hear lots of laughable conspiracy theories, such as binning Charlie Austin because he was concerned that Charlie threatened Les's goalscoring record. It feels like a small, vocal minority have had the knives out for Les for quite some time, regardless of what's been happening on the pitch, motivated by a fairly primal hatred. In general terms, the rest of us probably don't know enough about how much Les is or isn't to blame about our current situation, but we do know that we are watching our club disappear before our eyes, and it's not unreasonable to have an emotional response to that, or to want to change things.
If we're having a serious discussion, then it's not just about Les, but the whole set up. What we have been trying to achieve hasn't worked, or at least not in the way it should have done. I see the problem starting at the top, with an absence of clear leadership from the Board, which allows for divergence in approaches once you get down to DOF and manager level - we're not the first club to have had this problem.
Let's not just continue to sack and hire - someone up top needs to start making some smart decisions, even if they take a while to bear fruit. |
I rather thought the fans singing eff off was slightly distracting?
The case is 8 yrs in length, and contains at least 6 zero's, we have a squad that plays awful football sitting in 20th just 1 point above the drop. Multiple muscle injuries from awful warm up routines
As all of that sits under the playing side I think the case is fairly obvious.
5 Games left, yeah why change it or clarify his position now? Madness | |
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| Serious Question - Is Les now a distraction we cannot no longer afford? on 08:34 - Apr 18 with 1150 views | Burnleyhoop |
| Serious Question - Is Les now a distraction we cannot no longer afford? on 19:37 - Apr 17 by NoDiddley |
Bosh ‘nail on head’
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Beale may well have asked for those players, but someone upstairs has to approve and sign them off.
Down to the DOF and CFO ultimately. | | | |
| Serious Question - Is Les now a distraction we cannot no longer afford? on 09:59 - Apr 18 with 1069 views | robith |
Do youse lot not get bored of having the same conversation over and over again? |  | | |
| Serious Question - Is Les now a distraction we cannot no longer afford? on 10:39 - Apr 18 with 1027 views | JordanFoster |
Think it's very easy to say that Les should have put his foot down. But when he was alleged to have said no to Mark Warburton last January, he got dogs abuse.
MB was also working the crowd (and the press) very well. It would have gone down like a lead balloon if he was being seen to veto the wanted signings of the new, popular, trendy manager.
The Les convo is boring though, I actually think he's had moments of huge success and has been fundamentally let down by other areas of the club. But the whole structure is a complete shambles. I saw another post on here about the warm-up looking amateurish, the ground experience again on Saturday at the kiosks was laughable - there was even a guy behind the till eyeballing a fan for a fight.
The social media admin sent a smart reply to a fan asking for the match highlights:
"They are here if you _really_ want to see them: XXX"
The f*cking social media admin. What is going on?
We had Leon Balogun host fans are the training ground to basically say what a f*cking hero he is and how he's just human. We all saw the video, we all know what happened. But we have to go through bullsh*t. Gareth sitting next to him, trying to legitimise it all before throwing a 30k a year physio under the bus. It's a complete farce.
Ainsworth, who has stunk the place out btw since coming in with his sh*t football and Balogun who's now out for the season. Suppose that's the physio's fault is it?
Ian Holloway going off on one on a podcast, speaking to a kid like he's a pr*ck, 56 mins of getting on his soapbox and why QPR fans need to appreciate Ainsworth and what he will do. Tell us the issue with QPR fans is thinking "we're Man City, well we aint". The caveats it with: "I haven't actually watched us this year". Cheers mate, see you next year.
Lee Hoos doing a Fortnite dance and sticking his middle fingers up at a fan. Yeah the fan was a c*ck, but he threw Ainsworth under a bus as quick as he could. You're CEO of QPR, you're in the public eye to a degree. People get stick in public all the time, you can't just swear and react.
The directors box is empty week after week, the place is lost beyond belief. TF not fancy doing keepy-ups with Dozzel? The standards are not existent. It's humiliating from top to bottom whilst fans, who spend £100s and £100s a year on tickets and merchandise suffer more than anyone.
So yes, by all means now Les probably needs to go. But let's look at everyone and everything. It's a joke. [Post edited 18 Apr 2023 10:41]
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| Serious Question - Is Les now a distraction we cannot no longer afford? on 10:47 - Apr 18 with 1012 views | ozexile |
| Serious Question - Is Les now a distraction we cannot no longer afford? on 10:39 - Apr 18 by JordanFoster |
Think it's very easy to say that Les should have put his foot down. But when he was alleged to have said no to Mark Warburton last January, he got dogs abuse.
MB was also working the crowd (and the press) very well. It would have gone down like a lead balloon if he was being seen to veto the wanted signings of the new, popular, trendy manager.
The Les convo is boring though, I actually think he's had moments of huge success and has been fundamentally let down by other areas of the club. But the whole structure is a complete shambles. I saw another post on here about the warm-up looking amateurish, the ground experience again on Saturday at the kiosks was laughable - there was even a guy behind the till eyeballing a fan for a fight.
The social media admin sent a smart reply to a fan asking for the match highlights:
"They are here if you _really_ want to see them: XXX"
The f*cking social media admin. What is going on?
We had Leon Balogun host fans are the training ground to basically say what a f*cking hero he is and how he's just human. We all saw the video, we all know what happened. But we have to go through bullsh*t. Gareth sitting next to him, trying to legitimise it all before throwing a 30k a year physio under the bus. It's a complete farce.
Ainsworth, who has stunk the place out btw since coming in with his sh*t football and Balogun who's now out for the season. Suppose that's the physio's fault is it?
Ian Holloway going off on one on a podcast, speaking to a kid like he's a pr*ck, 56 mins of getting on his soapbox and why QPR fans need to appreciate Ainsworth and what he will do. Tell us the issue with QPR fans is thinking "we're Man City, well we aint". The caveats it with: "I haven't actually watched us this year". Cheers mate, see you next year.
Lee Hoos doing a Fortnite dance and sticking his middle fingers up at a fan. Yeah the fan was a c*ck, but he threw Ainsworth under a bus as quick as he could. You're CEO of QPR, you're in the public eye to a degree. People get stick in public all the time, you can't just swear and react.
The directors box is empty week after week, the place is lost beyond belief. TF not fancy doing keepy-ups with Dozzel? The standards are not existent. It's humiliating from top to bottom whilst fans, who spend £100s and £100s a year on tickets and merchandise suffer more than anyone.
So yes, by all means now Les probably needs to go. But let's look at everyone and everything. It's a joke. [Post edited 18 Apr 2023 10:41]
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| Serious Question - Is Les now a distraction we cannot no longer afford? on 10:52 - Apr 18 with 995 views | Sonofpugwash |
QPR is a cadaver that hasn't quite finished twitching.If you stick your nose out of the window you can smell the unmistakeable stench of rotting flesh and no amount of temporary perfume will mask it.It's time to consign the remains to the carrion eaters,bury or burn what they can't process and start afresh. |  |
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