| Music lovers/ record collectors 22:40 - Oct 12 with 15815 views | colinallcars |
Loads of us on here.
Unlike you streamers, I buy lots of vinyl and CDs. Until recently, a 2nd hand CD would be a few of your English pounds on Amazon.
Now, sellers are often asking £400 or more.
What's happening ? |  | | |  |
| Music lovers/ record collectors on 10:04 - Oct 16 with 1214 views | robith |
| Music lovers/ record collectors on 19:31 - Oct 15 by Boston |
I do that when I get to Hillingdon. |
I will have no Hillingdon slander in this group |  | | |
| Music lovers/ record collectors on 10:30 - Oct 16 with 1143 views | FDC |
I have a reasonable vinyl collection if house music from my DJ days, but like most in my age group bought loads of CDs and the transitioned to streaming. When CD ripping and then MP3 file sharing first came about it felt quite subversive and exciting. But I do agree with @Robith that the business model and incentive structure (single hit > album) is detrimental to music generally.
There's another thing that I think streaming has affected which is the development of music culture. When you have to buy a physical format, or indeed invest in time and money to attend a physical space to experience music, it's conducive with the development of a "scene" with it's own fashion and tropes etc. The ease of access to music that streaming platforms provide remove those initial barriers but in doing so remove the conditions for a scene to develop I think.
Jeremy Gilbert, Mark Fisher, and others talked about the Long 90s from approx 1990-mid2010s, where basically no musical innovation occured (concurrent with end of history politics, we're all just neo liberals now and for ever). Gilbert talked about showing his students photos of young people from the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s, and how easily the could be identified as being from that era, by their clothes and general fashion. Whereas photos of young people from subsequent eras are much harder to place in time,because little has changed. He argues that music basically stopped evolving after jungle / garage music, everything since is just a take on what came before.
Developments like rock and roll, punk, rave etc were met with horror by parents at the time ("wtf is this, it's not even music") because they were genuine paradigm shifts, but that hasn't really happened since the 90s.
Note this isn't "old man says new music is shit", it's the opposite it's "old man says new music is fine", it's not breaking any rules or changing things beyond recognition, it's just repackaged.
All of which I'm sure is in part due to the shift to streaming - music is just another highly consumable commodity requiring no investment of time, energy, money etc. |  | | |
| Music lovers/ record collectors on 10:55 - Oct 16 with 1087 views | robith |
Don't want to clog up the post by quoting all of FDC's post but, on LFW, I come for the Rangers, I stay for conversations about vinyl that cite Fukuyama | | | |
| Music lovers/ record collectors on 08:52 - Oct 21 with 755 views | R_from_afar |
| Music lovers/ record collectors on 10:16 - Oct 15 by robith |
I buy vinyl because
- I still love the album format, and find streaming has made music instant and disposable. There's something romantic about forcing yourself to listen to 12 tracks on the same concept
- streaming is essentially robbing artists to give a man money to spent on AI military drones. I love buying merch and vinyl to help support my favourite artists so they can keep making music
- I'm not one for a tin foil hat, but we're at a stage where capitalism has left people without enough disposable income but the lines on the graph have to keep going up so everyone is moving to an AAS model (As A Service). Big business don't want you to own anything so you have to keep giving them money every month for a service they make shitter and shitter. I like vinyl cos it's mine |
Good post. Re. this point - "streaming is essentially robbing artists" - if you really want to support an artist financially, streaming is not the way to do it.
Buying an album on Bandcamp gives an artist the same income as streaming it every day for three years! |  |
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| Music lovers/ record collectors on 09:45 - Oct 21 with 685 views | mart_Goblin |
| Music lovers/ record collectors on 10:16 - Oct 15 by robith |
I buy vinyl because
- I still love the album format, and find streaming has made music instant and disposable. There's something romantic about forcing yourself to listen to 12 tracks on the same concept
- streaming is essentially robbing artists to give a man money to spent on AI military drones. I love buying merch and vinyl to help support my favourite artists so they can keep making music
- I'm not one for a tin foil hat, but we're at a stage where capitalism has left people without enough disposable income but the lines on the graph have to keep going up so everyone is moving to an AAS model (As A Service). Big business don't want you to own anything so you have to keep giving them money every month for a service they make shitter and shitter. I like vinyl cos it's mine |
You make some great points .
What I would say that these days artists don’t really see fans streaming their music as robbing them.
I know there were issues years ago but I think artists just see it as the norm . It’s a way of your music spreading to people who wouldn’t otherwise get to hear it , then in turn perhaps they come and see you live or buy merchandise in addition.
At least that’s how we saw it .
The days of making money on releasing a record just don’t exist now .
Releasing an album helps to promote a tour which is where the bands make money now . Completely the opposite to how it used to be .
My vinyl collection is something I genuinely get pleasure out of . Alphabetical order otherwise I wouldn’t ever find anything . There is something so pleasing about a gatefold sleeve or fold out inlay etc . |  | | |
| Music lovers/ record collectors on 12:26 - Oct 21 with 616 views | Spaceman_P |
Streaming is not robbing but its not exactly a pay out.
15 years ago more or less was making music and its on Spotify etc.
Each year I may get a fiver maximum from it.
I always just preferred to sell the vinyl. |  | | |
| Music lovers/ record collectors on 13:13 - Oct 21 with 570 views | Juzzie |
| Music lovers/ record collectors on 09:45 - Oct 21 by mart_Goblin |
You make some great points .
What I would say that these days artists don’t really see fans streaming their music as robbing them.
I know there were issues years ago but I think artists just see it as the norm . It’s a way of your music spreading to people who wouldn’t otherwise get to hear it , then in turn perhaps they come and see you live or buy merchandise in addition.
At least that’s how we saw it .
The days of making money on releasing a record just don’t exist now .
Releasing an album helps to promote a tour which is where the bands make money now . Completely the opposite to how it used to be .
My vinyl collection is something I genuinely get pleasure out of . Alphabetical order otherwise I wouldn’t ever find anything . There is something so pleasing about a gatefold sleeve or fold out inlay etc . |
"The days of making money on releasing a record just don’t exist now"
Record companies still make money and pay royalties to the artist. Maybe the Label makes more than the artists (depends on the contract) but money is made somewhere along the line.
Unless there's some kind of deal record companies don't benefit, other than record sales, direct from a band's tour as any ticket sales, merchandise etc is between the artist, management, tour promoter, merchandiser etc. so I guess a Label will hope for a successful tour to fuel record sales. |  | | |
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