| Madsen hamstring 22:20 - Feb 24 with 9750 views | bosh67 |
Apparently it is his hamstring. Another one with a hamstring injury. Will we see him again this season? Huge loss for us if so. |  |
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| Madsen hamstring on 13:33 - Feb 27 with 924 views | mart_Goblin |
| Madsen hamstring on 13:10 - Feb 27 by nix |
I think the issues of injuries is slightly different from getting better players though. It should surely be a cheaper and easier option. Plenty of clubs who can’t unearth a decent striker or a creative midfielder manage to keep most of their squad fit. I actually do believe if we’d had Chair, JCS, Poku, Burrell and Varane all season we’d have won more matches. I don’t think that’s a particularly outlandish claim.
Just a question? Do you think there could be some issues with training as well as fitness/conditioning? There definitely needs to be analysis of that as well. And if I was looking at other clubs’ experience we could learn from I’d also want to look at player loads on the pitch. Are we delaying putting our subs on for too long, for example? Are we looking at particular player positions (e.g. ones that press a lot/do lots of quick sprints/receive bad tackles) and considering how often it’s reasonable for them to play 90 minutes etc without a break. |
I don’t know about training .
What I will say and I’ve mentioned it before is that pre match routine we go through for 20 minutes or so is the biggest load of rubbish I have ever seen.
Usually meet my son for lunch on a Saturday and then we get in and get a cup of tea for roughly the same time the players come out to warm up.
So I’ve watched this ‘warm up’ quite a few times over not just this season, but the past 2 or 3 , and it blows my mind completely.
I’ve started comparing drills to the opponents on the day and it’s shameful .
The players are going through the motions , same old same old .
They do this weird defence v attack ..but walking, where the defence stands still and we are allowed to play out wide and get crosses in and put it into an empty net .
What on Earth is the point of that ? On so many levels.
The players look lethargic and end up strolling about then go in .
Every week I just watch through my fingers …and it’s only the bleedin’ warm up !!! 🤣
No wonder there are injuries and we often start slow ( though for some reason we are snail like at the start of the second half ).
Once again , no standards . 5 or 6 coaches out of the field , most with arms folded .
We have to do better than this . |  | | |
| Madsen hamstring on 13:41 - Feb 27 with 863 views | Northernr |
| Madsen hamstring on 13:33 - Feb 27 by mart_Goblin |
I don’t know about training .
What I will say and I’ve mentioned it before is that pre match routine we go through for 20 minutes or so is the biggest load of rubbish I have ever seen.
Usually meet my son for lunch on a Saturday and then we get in and get a cup of tea for roughly the same time the players come out to warm up.
So I’ve watched this ‘warm up’ quite a few times over not just this season, but the past 2 or 3 , and it blows my mind completely.
I’ve started comparing drills to the opponents on the day and it’s shameful .
The players are going through the motions , same old same old .
They do this weird defence v attack ..but walking, where the defence stands still and we are allowed to play out wide and get crosses in and put it into an empty net .
What on Earth is the point of that ? On so many levels.
The players look lethargic and end up strolling about then go in .
Every week I just watch through my fingers …and it’s only the bleedin’ warm up !!! 🤣
No wonder there are injuries and we often start slow ( though for some reason we are snail like at the start of the second half ).
Once again , no standards . 5 or 6 coaches out of the field , most with arms folded .
We have to do better than this . |
"They do this weird defence v attack ..but walking, where the defence stands still and we are allowed to play out wide and get crosses in and put it into an empty net."
We got in early at Portsmouth last year and watched them do this and honestly couldn't believe it. It was comedic. Well, until you added some Portsmouth players to it, and then it quickly became 2-0 down with both goals caused by them taking the ball off us while we tried to enact it for real.
It's ridiculous. |  | | |
| Madsen hamstring on 13:48 - Feb 27 with 808 views | wombat |
| Madsen hamstring on 10:06 - Feb 27 by TheChef |
Who'd be looking at QPR currently and think "oh yeah that's a great place to work"?
Word gets around especially in football circles.
It's great that Ruben puts in the money every month to keep the lights on, but he's really got to get a hold of this thing. |
u can also add in players who the club approach thinking , hang on will i having working hamstings 6 months after i join them , yeah the club went we might be looking to go cat 1 in the future , wasnt there also rumours of south africa road being redeveloped at the start of the seson as well ? you cant beat some good news to keep the natives happy for a few weeks ,, its the rangers way always has been always will be , ill lay odds the PR team are running around today loking for a fluff peace to stick out before the game today .
Chair due back any time soon ?
Poku back in full training
Water pressure in the bogs has finally been sorted
Groundman went out and brought some grass seed on weds so weather permitting we will have a fantasitc pitch by july .
Get behind the lads we are all up for the big game sat !!
said it before we are damn lucky to have ruebn behind us , yes the same mistakes are beijg made but he could have walked years ago , one day hell look at the club with maybe a better view of what is actually needed to get us moving forward and not continuing this stagnation some seem happy to watch week in week out . [Post edited 27 Feb 15:01]
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| Madsen hamstring on 13:52 - Feb 27 with 781 views | francisbowles |
| Madsen hamstring on 13:41 - Feb 27 by Northernr |
"They do this weird defence v attack ..but walking, where the defence stands still and we are allowed to play out wide and get crosses in and put it into an empty net."
We got in early at Portsmouth last year and watched them do this and honestly couldn't believe it. It was comedic. Well, until you added some Portsmouth players to it, and then it quickly became 2-0 down with both goals caused by them taking the ball off us while we tried to enact it for real.
It's ridiculous. |
Subs warming up at HT is very short and then they all going trotting off to the changing rooms.
Opponents subs usually out for the whole 15 minutes.
What's the thinking there? |  | | |
| Madsen hamstring on 14:18 - Feb 27 with 689 views | TK1 |
| Madsen hamstring on 13:18 - Feb 27 by nix |
Yes I’m all for learning from past experiences. So if you’re saying, well we need to bring in someone who can do x, y and z because we’ve found that worked in the past. Or we shouldn’t do x, y and z because we’ve found that was a disaster then that makes sense. What I’m talking about is regularly saying we should’ve kept Warnock or Warburton (who arguably spent a lot of money without a legacy and still managed to lose a shed load of matches towards the end of the season) when that doesn’t get us anywhere. We should have appointed Steve Gallen also falls into that category. Where’s the learning? We didn’t so what do we need to do now? |
I never wanted to keep Warnock nor Warburton. Nor do I think we can get Gallen in now - though I definitely thought we should after Les announced he'd be stepping down and said so at the time.
Ultimately, this is just a fans' messageboard and you and I are just avatars on the Internet - so we can say what want and it will make no difference.
Here, however, is my big learning from this very recent bit of history since you ask:
Lee Hoos makes poor appointments and the next time an opportunity for a big appointment is presented to the board, he should not make the appointment.
My next big takeaway, is I think we should have someone with true accountable power at board level, above a DOF, whose remit covers only playing matters (including fitness) and we appoint a separate CEO. That they then answer to that person, who in turn answers to the board and, ultimately, the fans. We could call that person 'Chairman' and he would address the fans from time to time.
Another takeway, is when you bin the successful and much loved Development lead coach abruptly mid-season, but continue to play matches, you should tell the fans who is taking these games and what the plan is. Especially after getting spanked 5-0 by Watford, who hired one of your best coaches to run their academy after you let him go.
You may say this point is off topic, but it goes to the very heart of a lack of accountability, honesty and general square-dealing travels from Dev squad to the fitness, the lot.
My final point is I am not picking over ancient history - Warnock, please - I am talking about the last two years, and what we can learn from the behaviours of the board, the CEO, the chairman in that period.
It is not fanciful or indulgent to discuss this on a QPR messageboard right now.
(Though it shouldn't be on a thread titled Madsen Hamstring, for which I apologise once more) | | | |
| Madsen hamstring on 15:12 - Feb 27 with 551 views | R_from_afar |
| Madsen hamstring on 13:33 - Feb 27 by mart_Goblin |
I don’t know about training .
What I will say and I’ve mentioned it before is that pre match routine we go through for 20 minutes or so is the biggest load of rubbish I have ever seen.
Usually meet my son for lunch on a Saturday and then we get in and get a cup of tea for roughly the same time the players come out to warm up.
So I’ve watched this ‘warm up’ quite a few times over not just this season, but the past 2 or 3 , and it blows my mind completely.
I’ve started comparing drills to the opponents on the day and it’s shameful .
The players are going through the motions , same old same old .
They do this weird defence v attack ..but walking, where the defence stands still and we are allowed to play out wide and get crosses in and put it into an empty net .
What on Earth is the point of that ? On so many levels.
The players look lethargic and end up strolling about then go in .
Every week I just watch through my fingers …and it’s only the bleedin’ warm up !!! 🤣
No wonder there are injuries and we often start slow ( though for some reason we are snail like at the start of the second half ).
Once again , no standards . 5 or 6 coaches out of the field , most with arms folded .
We have to do better than this . |
In all seriousness, the warm-up I used to do before my weekly 8 a side match was more thorough than that.
Shameful  . |  |
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| Madsen hamstring on 15:25 - Feb 27 with 512 views | BklynRanger |
| Madsen hamstring on 13:41 - Feb 27 by Northernr |
"They do this weird defence v attack ..but walking, where the defence stands still and we are allowed to play out wide and get crosses in and put it into an empty net."
We got in early at Portsmouth last year and watched them do this and honestly couldn't believe it. It was comedic. Well, until you added some Portsmouth players to it, and then it quickly became 2-0 down with both goals caused by them taking the ball off us while we tried to enact it for real.
It's ridiculous. |
I really don't think I imagined it, but last year when a few of us on here were mocking this lethargy and lack of any purpose, the next game they were out with a few cones and running around like it was the dawn of a new era. Brought a tear to my eye.
Obviously that died down very quickly and it's as you were, but I wondered for that game or two if it was some hyper intelligent science based PR response to systematically captured message board intel by someone living life in a lane far faster than thick tongued plebs like us. |  | | |
| Madsen hamstring on 15:27 - Feb 27 with 505 views | nix |
| Madsen hamstring on 13:33 - Feb 27 by mart_Goblin |
I don’t know about training .
What I will say and I’ve mentioned it before is that pre match routine we go through for 20 minutes or so is the biggest load of rubbish I have ever seen.
Usually meet my son for lunch on a Saturday and then we get in and get a cup of tea for roughly the same time the players come out to warm up.
So I’ve watched this ‘warm up’ quite a few times over not just this season, but the past 2 or 3 , and it blows my mind completely.
I’ve started comparing drills to the opponents on the day and it’s shameful .
The players are going through the motions , same old same old .
They do this weird defence v attack ..but walking, where the defence stands still and we are allowed to play out wide and get crosses in and put it into an empty net .
What on Earth is the point of that ? On so many levels.
The players look lethargic and end up strolling about then go in .
Every week I just watch through my fingers …and it’s only the bleedin’ warm up !!! 🤣
No wonder there are injuries and we often start slow ( though for some reason we are snail like at the start of the second half ).
Once again , no standards . 5 or 6 coaches out of the field , most with arms folded .
We have to do better than this . |
Yes. This is exactly the kind of thing they should be looking at. If other teams are fitter and have fewer injuries this is what we need to learn from. I don’t think they can defend our record over the last two seasons. |  | | |
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| Madsen hamstring on 15:29 - Feb 27 with 492 views | wombat |
| Madsen hamstring on 15:25 - Feb 27 by BklynRanger |
I really don't think I imagined it, but last year when a few of us on here were mocking this lethargy and lack of any purpose, the next game they were out with a few cones and running around like it was the dawn of a new era. Brought a tear to my eye.
Obviously that died down very quickly and it's as you were, but I wondered for that game or two if it was some hyper intelligent science based PR response to systematically captured message board intel by someone living life in a lane far faster than thick tongued plebs like us. |
its been a long standing joke where i sit , half arsed warm up but way better than the warm up the subs do before they come on at 61 mins stretch have a chat , watch some of the game , look at the bench has he seen me, stretch again chat some more go back to dugout . | |
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| Madsen hamstring on 15:31 - Feb 27 with 484 views | nix |
| Madsen hamstring on 14:18 - Feb 27 by TK1 |
I never wanted to keep Warnock nor Warburton. Nor do I think we can get Gallen in now - though I definitely thought we should after Les announced he'd be stepping down and said so at the time.
Ultimately, this is just a fans' messageboard and you and I are just avatars on the Internet - so we can say what want and it will make no difference.
Here, however, is my big learning from this very recent bit of history since you ask:
Lee Hoos makes poor appointments and the next time an opportunity for a big appointment is presented to the board, he should not make the appointment.
My next big takeaway, is I think we should have someone with true accountable power at board level, above a DOF, whose remit covers only playing matters (including fitness) and we appoint a separate CEO. That they then answer to that person, who in turn answers to the board and, ultimately, the fans. We could call that person 'Chairman' and he would address the fans from time to time.
Another takeway, is when you bin the successful and much loved Development lead coach abruptly mid-season, but continue to play matches, you should tell the fans who is taking these games and what the plan is. Especially after getting spanked 5-0 by Watford, who hired one of your best coaches to run their academy after you let him go.
You may say this point is off topic, but it goes to the very heart of a lack of accountability, honesty and general square-dealing travels from Dev squad to the fitness, the lot.
My final point is I am not picking over ancient history - Warnock, please - I am talking about the last two years, and what we can learn from the behaviours of the board, the CEO, the chairman in that period.
It is not fanciful or indulgent to discuss this on a QPR messageboard right now.
(Though it shouldn't be on a thread titled Madsen Hamstring, for which I apologise once more) |
Of course it’s not fanciful or indulgent to talk about those things. It’s positive to have some actual suggestions about how to improve things rather than just a lot of ‘if onlys’.
I would think it’s off topic in a discussion about injuries but you’ve acknowledged that twice so fair enough. | | | |
| Madsen hamstring on 17:09 - Feb 27 with 317 views | BrizR |
| Madsen hamstring on 11:05 - Feb 27 by Hunterhoop |
Fair enough, Nix. It was just that question at the end which I think is a little dangerous as it puts people into that mindset of “well if they had our injuries they’d be struggling too”, or “without injuries, we could be up there”. But that is like saying “if we had better players” or “if we’d won more matches” we’d be up there. Of course. We didn’t.
I saw something from Wilkins on this MB saying how his son was worried this team could be a “What if” team. Again though, I worry that mindset is putting our position down to bad luck rather than appreciating the hard work and importance of getting the player fitness/conditioning side of the game right OR signing more robust players. You can’t on the one hand be happy we’re signing all three short ballers, and on the other think it’s bad luck we seem to get steamrollered in the first 15 mins of every second half after the oppo have been given a boll*cking and come out aggressive.
I personally think it’s mainly the Performance dept employing a flawed approach rather than using a load of crocks. Yes, Poku was probably an unreliable signing, but like Nix says, Burrell, Madsen, Varane, Chair (until the last 2 seasons), and others, don’t have a long history of injuries. It’s something we’re doing at the club and have been for a couple of seasons. Players going to get second opinions and treatment outside the club, on their own dime, is a sign they think the same. The club needs to deal with it to make the play offs a possibility and the player trading model a success. |
If you look at Madsen specifically, since the start of the season he's played the full 90 25 times, plus 120 at West Ham. Since Christmas the only minutes he's missed prior to Southampton is the last 7 of the West Brom game and 20ish at home to Blackburn. It's not just that the bloke's not getting rotated, he's not even getting subbed off in the last ten minutes of games we're winning comfortably. The only player with a heavier workload is Jimmy Dunne.
I think there's definitely questions to be asked about fitness and conditioning, the state of our pitch, how we approach recovery, but the simplest one is why we've gotten ourselves into a situation where we have key players we're unable or unwilling to rest at all, no matter the context. | | | |
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