| Sala 13:49 - Mar 30 with 9191 views | raynor94 |
Cardiff's case against Nantes has been thrown out and ordered to pay up to half a million in court costs |  |
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| Sala on 12:26 - Mar 31 with 1656 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Sala on 17:05 - Mar 30 by RodgerTheDodger |
By the time of the flight being organized he was a Cardiff player, so any duty of care would attach to CCFC.
Most importantly their evidence that McKay organized the flight was tenuous and substantially based on conjecture. The Judge decided they didn't get anywhere near the threshold of required evidence. I had thought they had a good case, mainly because what they were saying about what they had, but as the case proceeded it became obvious that they had no documentary proof of their assertions and no witnesses. It was conjecture with very little meat on the bones.
Having failed to prove to a reasonable standard that McKay was involved in arranging the flight their argument for compensation fell apart. [Post edited 30 Mar 17:06]
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The Agent did organise the flight. If the French court could not even determine that then they were very poor.
This was establish in UK inquiries relating to the deaths.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/fo [Post edited 31 Mar 12:28]
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| Sala on 12:36 - Mar 31 with 1619 views | Whiterockin |
| Sala on 12:26 - Mar 31 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The Agent did organise the flight. If the French court could not even determine that then they were very poor.
This was establish in UK inquiries relating to the deaths.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/fo [Post edited 31 Mar 12:28]
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At least four courts have ruled against Cardiff not just French. |  | | |
| Sala on 12:36 - Mar 31 with 1613 views | herbie |
| Sala on 12:26 - Mar 31 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The Agent did organise the flight. If the French court could not even determine that then they were very poor.
This was establish in UK inquiries relating to the deaths.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/fo [Post edited 31 Mar 12:28]
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Read it properly. McKay junior was the agent of Nantes for the transfer itself. Neither he nor his dad were their agent for the separate purpose of organising transport. It’s quite simple. Nantes cannot be held liable for something done by someone who was not their agent and who were unaware of any illegality. |  | | |
| Sala on 12:41 - Mar 31 with 1583 views | KeithHaynes |
| Sala on 12:36 - Mar 31 by Whiterockin |
At least four courts have ruled against Cardiff not just French. |
My local padel court would as well. |  |
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| Sala on 12:41 - Mar 31 with 1575 views | onehunglow |
When losing it’s best to do so gracefully | |
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| Sala on 12:44 - Mar 31 with 1570 views | Whiterockin |
| Sala on 12:41 - Mar 31 by KeithHaynes |
My local padel court would as well. |
When something is so obvious it best to let go. | | | |
| Sala on 12:51 - Mar 31 with 1539 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Sala on 12:36 - Mar 31 by herbie |
Read it properly. McKay junior was the agent of Nantes for the transfer itself. Neither he nor his dad were their agent for the separate purpose of organising transport. It’s quite simple. Nantes cannot be held liable for something done by someone who was not their agent and who were unaware of any illegality. |
These people and his son work in cash nods and winks. You understand that right. ? Back handers " understandings" no receipts .
The agents team organised the transfer for Nantes and would take a commission off Nantes not Cardiff.
The Agency (father and son) has admitted they organised the flight ( at rock bottom prices ) and the firm that found them the aeroplane stated the Agency knew the flights were not fully confirming with rigorous UK regulations because he told them. [Post edited 31 Mar 12:52]
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| Sala on 13:02 - Mar 31 with 1513 views | Whiterockin |
| Sala on 12:51 - Mar 31 by ReslovenSwan1 |
These people and his son work in cash nods and winks. You understand that right. ? Back handers " understandings" no receipts .
The agents team organised the transfer for Nantes and would take a commission off Nantes not Cardiff.
The Agency (father and son) has admitted they organised the flight ( at rock bottom prices ) and the firm that found them the aeroplane stated the Agency knew the flights were not fully confirming with rigorous UK regulations because he told them. [Post edited 31 Mar 12:52]
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Case continually thrown out, just accept the facts and let it go. | | | |
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| Sala on 13:31 - Mar 31 with 1487 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Sala on 13:02 - Mar 31 by Whiterockin |
Case continually thrown out, just accept the facts and let it go. |
You and your chum are on the side of a football agent who has behaved lamentably and looks as if he will get away with it. This is the nature of football. There is no attempt to clean it up sadly as everyone is getting their cut. | |
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| Sala on 14:18 - Mar 31 with 1454 views | Whiterockin |
| Sala on 13:31 - Mar 31 by ReslovenSwan1 |
You and your chum are on the side of a football agent who has behaved lamentably and looks as if he will get away with it. This is the nature of football. There is no attempt to clean it up sadly as everyone is getting their cut. |
Im on the side of justice as proven in the courts. To keep dragging this up is pointless and doing nobody any good, its best just to move on. | | | |
| Sala on 15:12 - Mar 31 with 1384 views | herbie |
| Sala on 14:18 - Mar 31 by Whiterockin |
Im on the side of justice as proven in the courts. To keep dragging this up is pointless and doing nobody any good, its best just to move on. |
Resolven you keep ignoring the fact that the transfer was concluded and there was no agency between Nantes and McKay to arrange transport. Any agency the club had with the agent for the purposes of the transfer was over when the deal concluded. This was simply a post transfer arrangement made by the agent of Sala not of Nantes. Nantes role in this was over when the transfer concluded. The did not have any responsibility to arrange transport and it was held they did not do so. | | | |
| Sala on 15:13 - Mar 31 with 1382 views | felixstowe_jack |
Cardiff city lost £34 million last season including interest payments of £7 million.
Accounts for season 2024/2025 also show their interest bill was £7 million on debts of £154 million.
Their wage bill alone was £40 million and their income was just £35. | |
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| Sala on 16:11 - Mar 31 with 1333 views | raynor94 |
| Sala on 13:31 - Mar 31 by ReslovenSwan1 |
You and your chum are on the side of a football agent who has behaved lamentably and looks as if he will get away with it. This is the nature of football. There is no attempt to clean it up sadly as everyone is getting their cut. |
Mr Pedantic at his finest, the man responsible for the flight was found guilty in a court of law and rightly jailed
Nothing to see here move on | |
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| Sala on 17:29 - Mar 31 with 1288 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Sala on 16:11 - Mar 31 by raynor94 |
Mr Pedantic at his finest, the man responsible for the flight was found guilty in a court of law and rightly jailed
Nothing to see here move on |
The agent paid the illegal pilot cash reports the BBC. £270. So who employed the pilot? Henderson did not pay him.. the Agent representing Nantes paid him it seems.
Was he a legal pilot. No he was an illegal pilot. Due diligence and duties f cars woefully absent.
No wonder bad agents a exist in football. Most fans back them all the way and accept their ways. Like most of football . If the cash keeps flowing "jobs a good un". | |
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| Sala on 18:37 - Mar 31 with 1245 views | RodgerTheDodger |
| Sala on 12:26 - Mar 31 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The Agent did organise the flight. If the French court could not even determine that then they were very poor.
This was establish in UK inquiries relating to the deaths.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/fo [Post edited 31 Mar 12:28]
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CCFC failed to establish that the McKay ordered the flight. They had no evidence that he did so. There is a reasonable scenario where Sala wanted to get to Cardiff that night, or possibly wanted to avoid a frustrating journey in the morning, and McKay said "I've used this guy, he might help you". So CCFC needed evidence that McKay organized it, and they had none.
Add to that, McKay is not a full time employee of Nantes, he was a contractor, so even if they showed that he did organize it, they would then have to also show that he did so at the behest of Nantes for any liability to attach. Why would Nantes have done that? He was no longer their player and not their problem. CCFC don't seem to have any evidence of that either.
Then you can add that the Court signalled that the negligence occurred not by ordering the flight, but by the air transport company switching the pilot the usual gut to an unlicenced man. Nobody in Nantes had any warning of that and no one was aware of it. | | | |
| Sala on 18:44 - Mar 31 with 1237 views | Whiterockin |
| Sala on 18:37 - Mar 31 by RodgerTheDodger |
CCFC failed to establish that the McKay ordered the flight. They had no evidence that he did so. There is a reasonable scenario where Sala wanted to get to Cardiff that night, or possibly wanted to avoid a frustrating journey in the morning, and McKay said "I've used this guy, he might help you". So CCFC needed evidence that McKay organized it, and they had none.
Add to that, McKay is not a full time employee of Nantes, he was a contractor, so even if they showed that he did organize it, they would then have to also show that he did so at the behest of Nantes for any liability to attach. Why would Nantes have done that? He was no longer their player and not their problem. CCFC don't seem to have any evidence of that either.
Then you can add that the Court signalled that the negligence occurred not by ordering the flight, but by the air transport company switching the pilot the usual gut to an unlicenced man. Nobody in Nantes had any warning of that and no one was aware of it. |
Bottom line is Cardiff were incompetent and failed to insure an asset. That aside two people tragically died and Tan won't let it rest and if Cardiff had done the basics would this have been dragged out, its all about money nothing else. | | | |
| Sala on 13:21 - Apr 1 with 1070 views | pencoedjack |
| Sala on 15:12 - Mar 31 by herbie |
Resolven you keep ignoring the fact that the transfer was concluded and there was no agency between Nantes and McKay to arrange transport. Any agency the club had with the agent for the purposes of the transfer was over when the deal concluded. This was simply a post transfer arrangement made by the agent of Sala not of Nantes. Nantes role in this was over when the transfer concluded. The did not have any responsibility to arrange transport and it was held they did not do so. |
To be honest I wish people would ignore him saves reading the guff he writes. |  | | |
| Sala on 15:07 - Apr 1 with 1021 views | KeithHaynes |
So many accidents in these type of aircraft.
Some will recall a helicopter collision in Australia two and a half years ago. They were very close relativos and friends. I think OHL knew them or where their shop was.
Never risk any small aircraft, there’s too much history with qualified pilots who can’t fly certain hours or daylight / darkness with limited experience. Just say NO folks. | |
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| Sala on 17:44 - Apr 1 with 970 views | bennytheblue |
| Sala on 18:44 - Mar 31 by Whiterockin |
Bottom line is Cardiff were incompetent and failed to insure an asset. That aside two people tragically died and Tan won't let it rest and if Cardiff had done the basics would this have been dragged out, its all about money nothing else. |
He was insured, they paid out last year to the club…..
Our wage bill this season is around £25 million no we have got rid of the useless and overpaid turds like kanga and el ghazi, and Ramsey |  | | |
| Sala on 18:30 - Apr 1 with 953 views | max936 |
| Sala on 13:21 - Apr 1 by pencoedjack |
To be honest I wish people would ignore him saves reading the guff he writes. |
That post deserves up arrows by the dozen Pen  |  | | |
| Sala on 18:33 - Apr 1 with 949 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Sala on 15:07 - Apr 1 by KeithHaynes |
So many accidents in these type of aircraft.
Some will recall a helicopter collision in Australia two and a half years ago. They were very close relativos and friends. I think OHL knew them or where their shop was.
Never risk any small aircraft, there’s too much history with qualified pilots who can’t fly certain hours or daylight / darkness with limited experience. Just say NO folks. |
Yes most of these incidents are caused by haphazard maintenance and corner/cost cutting with repairs rather than pilot error or the ability of the plane itself though. In the Sala case there was lethal carbon monoxide leaking into the cabin they were probably both dead before anyone realised there was a problem.
Reputable airlines have to submit swathes of maintenance documents before they can even push off from the gates. These cowboys can just sellotape the wing back on and take off. |  |
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| Sala on 18:34 - Apr 1 with 949 views | max936 |
| Sala on 15:07 - Apr 1 by KeithHaynes |
So many accidents in these type of aircraft.
Some will recall a helicopter collision in Australia two and a half years ago. They were very close relativos and friends. I think OHL knew them or where their shop was.
Never risk any small aircraft, there’s too much history with qualified pilots who can’t fly certain hours or daylight / darkness with limited experience. Just say NO folks. |
I hate flying, but its a necessity to get to warmer climates, etc.  | | | |
| Sala on 20:24 - Apr 1 with 888 views | bennytheblue |
| Sala on 19:21 - Apr 1 by ReslovenSwan1 |
It never ends Hey ho. Remember I agree with Sala's mam . You and Penk side with a dodgy agent who paid his pilot £270 to fly to France and back, [Post edited 1 Apr 19:29]
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It doesn’t suit their agenda mate….everyine in the real world knows makkay was involved and he worked for Nantes….funny thing is Nantes haven’t contributed a penny to the fund set up in his memory, strange huh? | | | |
| Sala on 22:03 - Apr 1 with 862 views | KeithHaynes |
| Sala on 18:34 - Apr 1 by max936 |
I hate flying, but its a necessity to get to warmer climates, etc. |
That I can handle. Being blown about in a Cessna is no fun I can assure you. | |
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