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I did not attend that game, (was trying to put some money together for a down payment on a house), looks like most other Rangers were also looking for a mortgage! Anyone here present that day, fill in the gaps ?
Was at that game with a scum supporting mate stood behind the Loft End goal. The Loft at that time was temporarily the away end (does anyone remember why, for the life of me I can't remember) and when Langley scored I had to severely restrain myself.
Was at that game with a scum supporting mate stood behind the Loft End goal. The Loft at that time was temporarily the away end (does anyone remember why, for the life of me I can't remember) and when Langley scored I had to severely restrain myself.
I think it was because we were developing the ground, you can see 2 tiers at the School End completed.
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QPR v Chelsea 1981 on 20:19 - Jan 5 with 2032 views
I think it was because we were developing the ground, you can see 2 tiers at the School End completed.
I was there. To my knowledge the first time we'd made Chels home all ticket so the first time they'd not covered our home end. That carried on from this game. Mayhem in the school end celebrating the goal and the final whistle
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QPR v Chelsea 1981 on 20:25 - Jan 5 with 2015 views
'But Rangers would sell their top players - their replacements were either not of the same calibre or not fully developed ...'
Stop me if you think that you've heard this one before!
Gerry 's words very resonant too for me - 'It (asset-stripping) drags the supporters down, it drags you down, it drags the other players down . . . because you're seeing good players go .. . it's certainly demoralising all round'. 'Times have changed' some will gleefully cry, 'and we all worship now at the neoliberal altar of FFP', but I can't imagine GF swallowing hook, line and sinker our Teflon-coated CEO's 'business plan' in any era. (Another reason why 'company man' The Warbler will be hard to replace if/when the club find themselves with a decision to make, as a man who sucks it up more willingly than a turbo-charged Dyson on cocaine.)
'You cannot continue to sell your best players and hope to be successful.' - Rodney Marsh. Not rocket science, is it?
'But Rangers would sell their top players - their replacements were either not of the same calibre or not fully developed ...'
Stop me if you think that you've heard this one before!
Gerry 's words very resonant too for me - 'It (asset-stripping) drags the supporters down, it drags you down, it drags the other players down . . . because you're seeing good players go .. . it's certainly demoralising all round'. 'Times have changed' some will gleefully cry, 'and we all worship now at the neoliberal altar of FFP', but I can't imagine GF swallowing hook, line and sinker our Teflon-coated CEO's 'business plan' in any era. (Another reason why 'company man' The Warbler will be hard to replace if/when the club find themselves with a decision to make, as a man who sucks it up more willingly than a turbo-charged Dyson on cocaine.)
'You cannot continue to sell your best players and hope to be successful.' - Rodney Marsh. Not rocket science, is it?
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You’re actually arguing with yourself over this, we’ve all told you time and time again what we’re going through now has been going on for over 50 years now, the first I remember is Rodney Marsh but I’m sure others will recall earlier sales. We’ve just got to accept where we are in the pecking order and resorting to petty childish name calling really doesn’t help your cause.
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QPR v Chelsea 1981 on 22:03 - Jan 5 with 1793 views
'But Rangers would sell their top players - their replacements were either not of the same calibre or not fully developed ...'
Stop me if you think that you've heard this one before!
Gerry 's words very resonant too for me - 'It (asset-stripping) drags the supporters down, it drags you down, it drags the other players down . . . because you're seeing good players go .. . it's certainly demoralising all round'. 'Times have changed' some will gleefully cry, 'and we all worship now at the neoliberal altar of FFP', but I can't imagine GF swallowing hook, line and sinker our Teflon-coated CEO's 'business plan' in any era. (Another reason why 'company man' The Warbler will be hard to replace if/when the club find themselves with a decision to make, as a man who sucks it up more willingly than a turbo-charged Dyson on cocaine.)
'You cannot continue to sell your best players and hope to be successful.' - Rodney Marsh. Not rocket science, is it?
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Obviously I don’t like seeing our best players go but this is something Rangers have done for 50+ years. The issue is the replacement
Sold Rodney / Bought Stan - Made a Profit Sold C Allen (2nd time) Bought Bannister - Made a Profit Sold Sinton Bought Sinclair - Made a profit
There are other examples and it’s where we as a club are, and probably always have been. There are times when if we’d taken a chance (Francis first time as manager and invested wisely I think we could have challenged as on our day we were a top 4 / decent cup side)
The big issue is when you sell the replacements need to be good or invested wisely
Selling Les was bad business because we bought in Sommer, Osborn (who maybe if given a chance wasn’t that bad) Zelic, Goodridge and Hateley. Had it been Keller, Rae, Bishop and Dublin which were all heavily rumoured at the time then it might have been good business
If we have a top player they will inevitably leave as they will get more opportunity to play in bigger games and earn more money. As long as when they are here they give their all. I don’t have a problem with that
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QPR v Chelsea 1981 on 22:12 - Jan 5 with 1777 views
I was there. To my knowledge the first time we'd made Chels home all ticket so the first time they'd not covered our home end. That carried on from this game. Mayhem in the school end celebrating the goal and the final whistle
The first all ticket home game with The Pensioners was the FA Cup 6th round match in 1970. Rangers fans made up what seemed like circa 25% of the crowd!
Tickets were being sold on a Saturday lunchtime/afternoon while Rangers played (and won) at Hull. C*****a were due to play at home to Liverpool but the match was called off & they all descended on Shepherds Bush.
To qualify for a ticket you had to produce the programme from the 5th round game against Derby. Unfortunately, this was known to everyone & their fans had been buying them up ever since the decision had been made!
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QPR v Chelsea 1981 on 22:20 - Jan 5 with 1756 views
You’re actually arguing with yourself over this, we’ve all told you time and time again what we’re going through now has been going on for over 50 years now, the first I remember is Rodney Marsh but I’m sure others will recall earlier sales. We’ve just got to accept where we are in the pecking order and resorting to petty childish name calling really doesn’t help your cause.
It isn’t just us though that can’t keep hold of our prize assets.Ince went to Man Utd from West Ham,Suarez and coutinho moves upwards.And does anyone remember the racket spurs fans made when they sold berbatov to Utd? All clubs lose their players to supposed bigger clubs.Its the way football goes.Unfortunately some of our replacements weren’t up to the standard required,or weren’t given a chance by either the manager or us fans.
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QPR v Chelsea 1981 on 22:33 - Jan 5 with 1740 views
'But Rangers would sell their top players - their replacements were either not of the same calibre or not fully developed ...'
Stop me if you think that you've heard this one before!
Gerry 's words very resonant too for me - 'It (asset-stripping) drags the supporters down, it drags you down, it drags the other players down . . . because you're seeing good players go .. . it's certainly demoralising all round'. 'Times have changed' some will gleefully cry, 'and we all worship now at the neoliberal altar of FFP', but I can't imagine GF swallowing hook, line and sinker our Teflon-coated CEO's 'business plan' in any era. (Another reason why 'company man' The Warbler will be hard to replace if/when the club find themselves with a decision to make, as a man who sucks it up more willingly than a turbo-charged Dyson on cocaine.)
'You cannot continue to sell your best players and hope to be successful.' - Rodney Marsh. Not rocket science, is it?
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Literally applies to every club outside the top 4 or so.
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QPR v Chelsea 1981 on 22:35 - Jan 5 with 1737 views
Obviously I don’t like seeing our best players go but this is something Rangers have done for 50+ years. The issue is the replacement
Sold Rodney / Bought Stan - Made a Profit Sold C Allen (2nd time) Bought Bannister - Made a Profit Sold Sinton Bought Sinclair - Made a profit
There are other examples and it’s where we as a club are, and probably always have been. There are times when if we’d taken a chance (Francis first time as manager and invested wisely I think we could have challenged as on our day we were a top 4 / decent cup side)
The big issue is when you sell the replacements need to be good or invested wisely
Selling Les was bad business because we bought in Sommer, Osborn (who maybe if given a chance wasn’t that bad) Zelic, Goodridge and Hateley. Had it been Keller, Rae, Bishop and Dublin which were all heavily rumoured at the time then it might have been good business
If we have a top player they will inevitably leave as they will get more opportunity to play in bigger games and earn more money. As long as when they are here they give their all. I don’t have a problem with that
We had no choice but to sell Les, but as you say it was the replacements that were the issue.
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QPR v Chelsea 1981 on 22:58 - Jan 5 with 1710 views
Ironic to hear Rodney bemoaning the selling of star players. In the early to mid-90's he used to regularly berate the fans for saying the same. The thing is both points of view are valid and have merits, but the one constant with Rodney is that he was always certain he was right.
"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
As has been pointed out, we have been selling our best players since before I began following them. As also has been pointed out , it is the (potential) quality of the replacement that is key. Eg Sinclair for Sinton was obviously a good move all around, as was Stan for Rodney. I remember when Dalglish replaced Keegan, many Liverpool fans were concerned he wouldn't be as good! One thing that hasn't been mentioned and I think is important, is that a significant portion of the transfer fee is spent on a direct replacement. We didn't do that with Les' money (I know Goddard/Allen were breaking through, but neither in the Les mould and nobody could consider Hately a potential future star) and that was the beginning of the end for that QPR era. It is the same this time, no direct 'future Eze' has been purchased with his money and I think that is a problem. Fans like to see a portion of the transfer fee spent on a replacement, no matter how wisely (which is open to debate) the money has been spent on other important positions. . Of course, that puts the incoming player under considerable pressure, especially in these 'keyboard warrior' times. But the clubs scouting system had a whole year to identify potential targets, either in the lower leagues or abroad, but no such signing has been made. I think that makes the sale, however inevitable, less palatable.
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QPR v Chelsea 1981 on 11:13 - Jan 6 with 1469 views
You’re actually arguing with yourself over this, we’ve all told you time and time again what we’re going through now has been going on for over 50 years now, the first I remember is Rodney Marsh but I’m sure others will recall earlier sales. We’ve just got to accept where we are in the pecking order and resorting to petty childish name calling really doesn’t help your cause.
I'm not 'name-calling' - I'm making a cogent point about how to go about your business if you want to ensure a club's decline (and actually echoing the same point made by two club legends). So shut up about everyone telling me anything, and go and have a think for yourself if you can! Meantime, If you want to support a programme for a club that wants to 'lose its way' (Simon Barker) owing to a victory for 'business' over building a team, good luck to you - I don't!
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