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He so upstaged Costner in prince of thieves that 20-30 minutes of him was cut from the movie, apparently because it was a Costner vehicle and dear Kevin didn't like being second fiddle.
Accordingly there is around 20 minutes more of dear departed Alan in the special edition Prince of Thieves release.
plus he absolutely blew that ponce kevin costner out of the water in robin hood. a truly honourable man, who kept his private life out of hello and ok magazine, so he was alright in my books.
my kids are crying due to his snape legacy.
rip.
Remember reading an article about Rickmansworth role in prince of thieves , they had to tony down his part as he was stealing the film from Kevin Costner and Costner was scared he would be shown up
Played the part well of Eamon De Valera in Micheal Collins. A great actor with a rather sinister look about him. RIP
I'd forgotten that. That script and Rickman's cold, arch portrayal changed Ireland's perception of De Valera from reverence to disdain. I've never see art change life so profoundly before or after. It was astonishing.
"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
I'd forgotten that. That script and Rickman's cold, arch portrayal changed Ireland's perception of De Valera from reverence to disdain. I've never see art change life so profoundly before or after. It was astonishing.
He so upstaged Costner in prince of thieves that 20-30 minutes of him was cut from the movie, apparently because it was a Costner vehicle and dear Kevin didn't like being second fiddle.
Accordingly there is around 20 minutes more of dear departed Alan in the special edition Prince of Thieves release.
Good old Alan was just upholding the tradition that when Hollywood needs someone to act the villain rather than just be a square jawed silent hero type, contact the English dear boy.. He was a fine actor RIP...
"For the Potter generation, Alan Rickman’s death marks the end of childhood"
This is precisely the type of faux-woe grief junkieism that has me shaking my head. For some, it seems to have replaced respect and perspective.
The end of childhood? Give me a break. War ends childhood. The kids in my life, thankfully, would register an actor's passing and then carry on playing.
"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
I would have to say that it was unfair in balance, but that was not Rickman's fault. He had Irish roots and was believed to have studied the role deeply but no-one could be expected to get a grip on the complexities of the Collins-De Valera relationship in months, maybe not even years. The script was not his.
I have, I would suggest humbly, read on the subject more than most, and I have no doubt that Dev's decision not to travel to London as part of the negotiating team led directly to the Civil War. The repercussions were catastrophic, creating as it did two factions even before the talks began.
However, no-one knows a man's mind, and Dev left no reliable writings that explained his thoughts or motivations. In glorifying Collins, perhaps justifiably or perhaps not, the scriptwriters simultaneously buried Dev's reputation. They committed the cardinal sin of ascribing motive, I felt, and in doing so made Dev a cartoon villain.
Crucially, also, the film implies that Dev was implicated in Collins' death and may even have enticed him to Beal na mBlath in West Cork on the pretence of peace talks so that he might be ambushed. The truth is quite the opposite: on the very day that Collins died Dev argued that Collins should not be ambushed as his successor, should Collins die, might be less approachable.
I remember watching the film for the first time and seeing it end with Dev's little-known quote blazoned across the screen:-
"It is my considered opinion that in the fullness of time history will record the greatness of Michael Collins; and it will be recorded at my expense."
...and knowing that they had buried Dev's reputation in one (possibly unintentional) blow. Taken out of context it seemed to suggest that De Valera was being charged with his death. I grew up idolising Collins as most boys did in West Cork, but I felt then and I feel now that this did Dev an awful injustice.
"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
I would have to say that it was unfair in balance, but that was not Rickman's fault. He had Irish roots and was believed to have studied the role deeply but no-one could be expected to get a grip on the complexities of the Collins-De Valera relationship in months, maybe not even years. The script was not his.
I have, I would suggest humbly, read on the subject more than most, and I have no doubt that Dev's decision not to travel to London as part of the negotiating team led directly to the Civil War. The repercussions were catastrophic, creating as it did two factions even before the talks began.
However, no-one knows a man's mind, and Dev left no reliable writings that explained his thoughts or motivations. In glorifying Collins, perhaps justifiably or perhaps not, the scriptwriters simultaneously buried Dev's reputation. They committed the cardinal sin of ascribing motive, I felt, and in doing so made Dev a cartoon villain.
Crucially, also, the film implies that Dev was implicated in Collins' death and may even have enticed him to Beal na mBlath in West Cork on the pretence of peace talks so that he might be ambushed. The truth is quite the opposite: on the very day that Collins died Dev argued that Collins should not be ambushed as his successor, should Collins die, might be less approachable.
I remember watching the film for the first time and seeing it end with Dev's little-known quote blazoned across the screen:-
"It is my considered opinion that in the fullness of time history will record the greatness of Michael Collins; and it will be recorded at my expense."
...and knowing that they had buried Dev's reputation in one (possibly unintentional) blow. Taken out of context it seemed to suggest that De Valera was being charged with his death. I grew up idolising Collins as most boys did in West Cork, but I felt then and I feel now that this did Dev an awful injustice.
And a great answer, thank you.
It is interesting that it had such a strong effect on an Irish audience. Actually, it's downright disturbing.
It is interesting that it had such a strong effect on an Irish audience. Actually, it's downright disturbing.
Thanks.
Very disturbing, you're right.
I think the main reason that it had such a profound effect was that the information hit a relative vacuum.
Just as civil war is likely follow a revolution for independence, it seems from what I can gather that silence almost always follows civil war. I was born less than fifty years after the Irish Civil War and I was taught very little about it. I'm glad to say that tings have changed now, but in my time it was glossed over in school. Similarly, my grandparents and their generation rarely spoke about it. How could you when every story involved a brother, sister or neighbour who was on the other side? Most of the characters in the local and national war were alive. Information was buried deep as a necessity. So too were feelings.
Jordan's film, therefore, was painted on a blank canvas for many people, hence its massive impact on the reputation of both Collins and De Valera.
"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
I think the main reason that it had such a profound effect was that the information hit a relative vacuum.
Just as civil war is likely follow a revolution for independence, it seems from what I can gather that silence almost always follows civil war. I was born less than fifty years after the Irish Civil War and I was taught very little about it. I'm glad to say that tings have changed now, but in my time it was glossed over in school. Similarly, my grandparents and their generation rarely spoke about it. How could you when every story involved a brother, sister or neighbour who was on the other side? Most of the characters in the local and national war were alive. Information was buried deep as a necessity. So too were feelings.
Jordan's film, therefore, was painted on a blank canvas for many people, hence its massive impact on the reputation of both Collins and De Valera.
I would like to say how interesting the observation is of silence following civil war (very), but I'm too eager, champing at the bit to pull you up on saying "tings"!
Never complain again about lazy comedic Irish stereotypes!
I would like to say how interesting the observation is of silence following civil war (very), but I'm too eager, champing at the bit to pull you up on saying "tings"!
Never complain again about lazy comedic Irish stereotypes!
Ha! I'm not even editing that!
I was in a pub in Archway once and a godawful oul' Irish lad was going through his threadbare repertoire for a threadbare crowd. This came on, and to my delight he couldn't pronounce his 'th's. I caught it on the first 'TINGS', and it got funnier, and funnier, and funnier...I was helpless by the end, could hardly breathe...
"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
Good old Alan was just upholding the tradition that when Hollywood needs someone to act the villain rather than just be a square jawed silent hero type, contact the English dear boy.. He was a fine actor RIP...
Just watched Selma .Loved it .Top film. Who did they get for arch villain governer Wallace?.- Timmy Roth. Who did they get for villain no2 who came good at the end Pres L.B.J - the fella from The Full Monty. Sheeeeeeeeeet . we even got the hero Dr King.. David Oyetokunbo Oyelowo. Hollywood ? We shit it..
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