| Goss and other fringe players 13:37 - Aug 12 with 10830 views | superhoopdownunder |
Is it too late for them to go out on loan (or give them away?)
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| Goss and other fringe players on 10:27 - Aug 13 with 2658 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Goss and other fringe players on 10:05 - Aug 13 by francisbowles |
Ok Baz.
As has been mentioned on here since he arrived, big club academy player, used to playing on billiard tables, in nice tippy tappy non competitive games with kids.
Plays in championship, good when not closed down, doesn't know whether it's New York or New Year when he is.
What to do, go on loan to lower league and toughen up. Allegedly, turns down loan to Yeovil as probably thinks, beneath him. Accepts loan to Glasgow, big club, goes well first game spraying ball around then 'take some of that you sassenach softie' and vanishes to occasional bit part player. Takes another loan to Scotland with mediocre performances.
Three managers can't find a way to include him, plus two in Scotland struggle, doesn't go on this season's Austrian trip. What I we supposed to conclude? |
I’m not here to defend Goss as a footballer. I don’t know much about him either.
But this thread says he’s lazy, has a poor attitude, and refused a move to Yeovil.
Again, how can we possibly know that from 200 minutes of football? That is literally the only evidence we have to go on.
Here is a thread by Rangers fans where they think he is mustard.
Don’t see the point in shitting all over him while he’s still our player and has been on the pitch for less minutes than Jude the Cat.
Some of the players we rightly condemned earned that status though hours of putridness. Let’s give Goss the same privilege.
https://www.followfollow.com/forum/threads/sean-goss.19288/ [Post edited 13 Aug 2019 10:34]
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| Goss and other fringe players on 10:47 - Aug 13 with 2575 views | SimonJames |
| Goss and other fringe players on 10:27 - Aug 13 by BazzaInTheLoft |
I’m not here to defend Goss as a footballer. I don’t know much about him either.
But this thread says he’s lazy, has a poor attitude, and refused a move to Yeovil.
Again, how can we possibly know that from 200 minutes of football? That is literally the only evidence we have to go on.
Here is a thread by Rangers fans where they think he is mustard.
Don’t see the point in shitting all over him while he’s still our player and has been on the pitch for less minutes than Jude the Cat.
Some of the players we rightly condemned earned that status though hours of putridness. Let’s give Goss the same privilege.
https://www.followfollow.com/forum/threads/sean-goss.19288/ [Post edited 13 Aug 2019 10:34]
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I can't help thinking he's doing an SWP... just getting paid and refusing to go on loan while he sees out his contract? |  |
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| Goss and other fringe players on 10:52 - Aug 13 with 2557 views | francisbowles |
| Goss and other fringe players on 10:27 - Aug 13 by BazzaInTheLoft |
I’m not here to defend Goss as a footballer. I don’t know much about him either.
But this thread says he’s lazy, has a poor attitude, and refused a move to Yeovil.
Again, how can we possibly know that from 200 minutes of football? That is literally the only evidence we have to go on.
Here is a thread by Rangers fans where they think he is mustard.
Don’t see the point in shitting all over him while he’s still our player and has been on the pitch for less minutes than Jude the Cat.
Some of the players we rightly condemned earned that status though hours of putridness. Let’s give Goss the same privilege.
https://www.followfollow.com/forum/threads/sean-goss.19288/ [Post edited 13 Aug 2019 10:34]
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ALl these comments are on the 11th and 12th February, when he had been there a very short time. Have you got any similar stuff nearer the end of the season? Interesting last comment on page 5, that is pretty close to reality, I think.
I've watched him on U23 streams a few times and he can, on occasions play a nice long diagonal and look comfortable on the ball. He does seem to go very deep to do it though but maybe that is not untypical of midfielders.
McClaren said he liked him when he first arrived but then never picked him. If he was looking for a manager to offer him good attractive passing football then MW is the one but he seems totally unimpressed.
I think the point you make about other players 'putridnous' is that at least they have done something to make the manager pick them, Goss can't even get that far. | | | |
| Goss and other fringe players on 11:18 - Aug 13 with 2494 views | makaveli1882 |
Has he he got a squad number this season?
I dont think he has, if he is not involved tonight he will never play for us again, just let him go. | | | |
| Goss and other fringe players on 11:20 - Aug 13 with 2489 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Goss and other fringe players on 10:47 - Aug 13 by SimonJames |
I can't help thinking he's doing an SWP... just getting paid and refusing to go on loan while he sees out his contract? |
Yeah possibly, but SWP played 70 games for us to earn that reputation. | | | |
| Goss and other fringe players on 11:55 - Aug 13 with 2417 views | sexton |
What was noticeable about his 45 minutes at Brentford was the reluctance of the other players to give him the ball. This can't have helped his confidence but perhaps they had seen enough in training.
I also saw him play several times for the U23s. If your entire game is about pinging 40 yard balls to the wing then you have to be able to do it accurately. [Post edited 13 Aug 2019 11:57]
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| Goss and other fringe players on 12:10 - Aug 13 with 2382 views | rsonist |
You're all gonna look like right plonkers when it turns out Barbet's just been Goss wearing a beret all along. |  | | |
| Goss and other fringe players on 12:52 - Aug 13 with 2340 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Goss and other fringe players on 12:10 - Aug 13 by rsonist |
You're all gonna look like right plonkers when it turns out Barbet's just been Goss wearing a beret all along. |
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| Goss and other fringe players on 13:00 - Aug 13 with 2310 views | CamberleyR |
| Goss and other fringe players on 11:18 - Aug 13 by makaveli1882 |
Has he he got a squad number this season?
I dont think he has, if he is not involved tonight he will never play for us again, just let him go. |
We would have to pay up the remainder of his contract (end of June 2020) or agree a negotiated settlement as we can't just terminate it for no good reason. That's a decent chunk of money that Warburton wouldn't have in his transfer budget in January or less money available to tie down Chair or Osayi-Samuel down to longer contracts.
We should actively look to loan him again so somebody else picks up even a chunk of his sizeable wages for the time being and then review in January to see where we are financially. |  |
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| Goss and other fringe players on 13:05 - Aug 13 with 2293 views | BuckR |
| Goss and other fringe players on 13:00 - Aug 13 by CamberleyR |
We would have to pay up the remainder of his contract (end of June 2020) or agree a negotiated settlement as we can't just terminate it for no good reason. That's a decent chunk of money that Warburton wouldn't have in his transfer budget in January or less money available to tie down Chair or Osayi-Samuel down to longer contracts.
We should actively look to loan him again so somebody else picks up even a chunk of his sizeable wages for the time being and then review in January to see where we are financially. |
So you're telling me Man Utd wont be triggering their buy back clause? | | | |
| Goss and other fringe players on 13:36 - Aug 13 with 2224 views | simmo |
Every time I see Goss's name it boils my piss. I don't care what caveats people want to show, he's had about as many professional appearances as he's had birthdays and he's 5 years into a 'pro career' that allows him to drive a Mercedes tank and live very comfortably, based on what? A half-decent set of performances at academy level?
If he can't get a sniff in a Warburton team full of young, ball-playing lads that concentrate on possession (which I've been told is what he's actually good at), then he has no chance and it has to be about poor application, attitude, ability, or all 3.
He remains the worst signing of the last few years and I can't wait for him to be off the books and tumbling down the leagues. |  |
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| Goss and other fringe players on 13:45 - Aug 13 with 2209 views | Northernr |
There is some harsh stuff on here.
I'm not sure anybody can comment on his ability as a player, except maybe Smeg, as none of us have ever seen him bar a couple of fleeting outings. Not great at Brentford but then who was/ever is?
What we can say for sure is three managers, including the one who bought him and now apparently one who plays exactly the sort of style he's meant to be good at, haven't fancied him at all, even as a bench player, even as a cup player. Maybe he suddenly plays tonight and looks brilliant but there's not a lot of indication of that.
What I don't like is that through his career he's consistently made decisions that result in him playing no football, including leaving a club where he would have played to join one where he was never going to, and refusing loan deals out of QPR. That's bad.
And it is sick in general that players like him who've done fck all, barely played a game, are nevertheless wealthy enough to live an incredibly lifestyle with flash cars. |  | | |
| Goss and other fringe players on 15:29 - Aug 13 with 2122 views | smegma |
He has only played 15 games for the under 23s in the past two seasons. Ive said it many a time that I reckon he is the best passer of the ball at the club. That's if you give him space. If you close him down he disappears as he doesn't like the rough and tumble of midfield play, I.e. He doesn't like the contact bit in a contact sport. And he is about tenth in line for a first team space so I think its best he goes out on loan. | | | |
| Goss and other fringe players on 15:48 - Aug 13 with 2091 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Goss and other fringe players on 13:45 - Aug 13 by Northernr |
There is some harsh stuff on here.
I'm not sure anybody can comment on his ability as a player, except maybe Smeg, as none of us have ever seen him bar a couple of fleeting outings. Not great at Brentford but then who was/ever is?
What we can say for sure is three managers, including the one who bought him and now apparently one who plays exactly the sort of style he's meant to be good at, haven't fancied him at all, even as a bench player, even as a cup player. Maybe he suddenly plays tonight and looks brilliant but there's not a lot of indication of that.
What I don't like is that through his career he's consistently made decisions that result in him playing no football, including leaving a club where he would have played to join one where he was never going to, and refusing loan deals out of QPR. That's bad.
And it is sick in general that players like him who've done fck all, barely played a game, are nevertheless wealthy enough to live an incredibly lifestyle with flash cars. |
Exactly!
If I was asked to make a bet i'd bet he is probably a shithouse, but I get the impression from others on this thread that they regard him in the same vein as Sandro, Bosingwa, SWP etc which I feel is totally unfair.
As for the Yeovil thing, did anyone from the club actually confirm he had been offered that move and he turned it down? | | | |
| Goss and other fringe players on 16:34 - Aug 13 with 2030 views | derbyhoop |
I've never seen him play but, from the comments, he comes across as one of those footballers who has been privileged enough to earn contracts and transfers that have made him seriously wealthy, when only rarely asked to prove he deserves it.
It's all very well being a great passer of the ball when you have yards of space, but professional footballers aren't going to stand around admiring an opposition player's ability, if they have the chance to take him out of the game. That applies at nearly all levels, especially the Championship.
Goss hardly pulled up trees while on loan at Glasgow Ranger nor Saint Johnstone.
If he can't be bothered to put in the hard yards or toughen himself up to meet the regular challenges of a professional career, we should bomb him out as soon as possible.
Probably was worth a punt when we had money to spare but that is no longer the case. It didn't work out. Get rid and move on. |  |
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| Goss and other fringe players on 16:44 - Aug 13 with 2016 views | robith |
Interesting isn't it, because a lot of the stuff Goss has been said to have done is similar to what Austin is said to have done at Southampton.... |  | | |
| Goss and other fringe players on 16:45 - Aug 13 with 2012 views | cyprusmel |
It would be interesting to know what his wage actually is ! | | | |
| Goss and other fringe players on 17:05 - Aug 13 with 1987 views | BuckR |
| Goss and other fringe players on 16:45 - Aug 13 by cyprusmel |
It would be interesting to know what his wage actually is ! |
Probably up there with what Pogba earns if you ask some people on here | | | |
| Goss and other fringe players on 17:06 - Aug 13 with 1983 views | rsonist |
| Goss and other fringe players on 16:34 - Aug 13 by derbyhoop |
I've never seen him play but, from the comments, he comes across as one of those footballers who has been privileged enough to earn contracts and transfers that have made him seriously wealthy, when only rarely asked to prove he deserves it.
It's all very well being a great passer of the ball when you have yards of space, but professional footballers aren't going to stand around admiring an opposition player's ability, if they have the chance to take him out of the game. That applies at nearly all levels, especially the Championship.
Goss hardly pulled up trees while on loan at Glasgow Ranger nor Saint Johnstone.
If he can't be bothered to put in the hard yards or toughen himself up to meet the regular challenges of a professional career, we should bomb him out as soon as possible.
Probably was worth a punt when we had money to spare but that is no longer the case. It didn't work out. Get rid and move on. |
"I've never seen him play but, from the comments... we should bomb him out as soon as possible. Get rid and move on. "
That's you that is. | | | |
| Goss and other fringe players on 17:13 - Aug 13 with 1965 views | rsonist |
| Goss and other fringe players on 13:45 - Aug 13 by Northernr |
There is some harsh stuff on here.
I'm not sure anybody can comment on his ability as a player, except maybe Smeg, as none of us have ever seen him bar a couple of fleeting outings. Not great at Brentford but then who was/ever is?
What we can say for sure is three managers, including the one who bought him and now apparently one who plays exactly the sort of style he's meant to be good at, haven't fancied him at all, even as a bench player, even as a cup player. Maybe he suddenly plays tonight and looks brilliant but there's not a lot of indication of that.
What I don't like is that through his career he's consistently made decisions that result in him playing no football, including leaving a club where he would have played to join one where he was never going to, and refusing loan deals out of QPR. That's bad.
And it is sick in general that players like him who've done fck all, barely played a game, are nevertheless wealthy enough to live an incredibly lifestyle with flash cars. |
The view of him as pampered academy poodle has definitely taken on a distorted life of its own. I can't remember where the story about him refusing loans even came from but I wonder if there wasn't more to it than that. (I don't even think a young player being selective about loans is automatically that bad to be honest - especially for one in a specialist role - but compared to not playing at all at his age...)
The academy angle doesn't bear much examination. (Probably a hangover from Will Keane's limp visit in fairness). Those types do exist but footballers of all pathways get too big for their boots.... IIRC Man United currently have the highest number of graduates plying their trade in the leagues.
In general if they're not pleasing us we're often far too quick to put two and two together and make five jumping on these young men living the bizarre warped lives the industry has handed them. It wasn't so long ago on here that (when he wasn't partying in Dubai with JET) Grant Hall was a contract burden who obviously wasn't trying hard enough to overcome tendonitis while sunning himself on holiday with his Z-list tabloid sleb missus. But now he's a good lad again and hmm yes mental health is a serious issue isn't it.
The game has made us all hypocrites now but at least let's own it. | | | |
| Goss and other fringe players on 18:02 - Aug 13 with 1890 views | simmo |
Fck him. If he hadn't come through the Man U academy he would never have got the deal he did and if he was desperate to just play football, he wouldn't still be kicking around in Harlington.
It's not his fault he has the contract we gave him, but he doesn't have to take a wage cut to go on loan and potentially become an asset for us, and for all his apparent talent it's odd he could barely get a game for St Johnstone.
I guess targeting him specifically is a tad unfair as my ire is actually for his ilk - young players with good agents who secure lucrative contracts for hefty contract fees without actually earning them. An example of one of the worst aspects of modern football and he epitomises it. | |
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| Goss and other fringe players on 18:11 - Aug 13 with 1878 views | PunteR |
| Goss and other fringe players on 18:02 - Aug 13 by simmo |
Fck him. If he hadn't come through the Man U academy he would never have got the deal he did and if he was desperate to just play football, he wouldn't still be kicking around in Harlington.
It's not his fault he has the contract we gave him, but he doesn't have to take a wage cut to go on loan and potentially become an asset for us, and for all his apparent talent it's odd he could barely get a game for St Johnstone.
I guess targeting him specifically is a tad unfair as my ire is actually for his ilk - young players with good agents who secure lucrative contracts for hefty contract fees without actually earning them. An example of one of the worst aspects of modern football and he epitomises it. |
Agree. He's doing a SWP. |  |
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| Goss and other fringe players on 14:29 - Aug 14 with 1647 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Goss and other fringe players on 13:45 - Aug 13 by Northernr |
There is some harsh stuff on here.
I'm not sure anybody can comment on his ability as a player, except maybe Smeg, as none of us have ever seen him bar a couple of fleeting outings. Not great at Brentford but then who was/ever is?
What we can say for sure is three managers, including the one who bought him and now apparently one who plays exactly the sort of style he's meant to be good at, haven't fancied him at all, even as a bench player, even as a cup player. Maybe he suddenly plays tonight and looks brilliant but there's not a lot of indication of that.
What I don't like is that through his career he's consistently made decisions that result in him playing no football, including leaving a club where he would have played to join one where he was never going to, and refusing loan deals out of QPR. That's bad.
And it is sick in general that players like him who've done fck all, barely played a game, are nevertheless wealthy enough to live an incredibly lifestyle with flash cars. |
Agree that some of the comments are harsh but many are warranted and don't require sight of him playing. It takes more than ability to be a good football player. Character, football intelligence, fitness, heart, passion, strength, ambition, willingness to learn, work-rate, team ethic, to name but a few.
The evidence suggests that he's lacking many of these traits and appears content to just sit on his contract and enjoy the trappings that he scarcely deserves. [Post edited 14 Aug 2019 14:47]
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| Goss and other fringe players on 14:46 - Aug 14 with 1606 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Goss and other fringe players on 10:27 - Aug 13 by BazzaInTheLoft |
I’m not here to defend Goss as a footballer. I don’t know much about him either.
But this thread says he’s lazy, has a poor attitude, and refused a move to Yeovil.
Again, how can we possibly know that from 200 minutes of football? That is literally the only evidence we have to go on.
Here is a thread by Rangers fans where they think he is mustard.
Don’t see the point in shitting all over him while he’s still our player and has been on the pitch for less minutes than Jude the Cat.
Some of the players we rightly condemned earned that status though hours of putridness. Let’s give Goss the same privilege.
https://www.followfollow.com/forum/threads/sean-goss.19288/ [Post edited 13 Aug 2019 10:34]
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Goss is privileged enough without being given a spot in the first team that he doesn't merit. Contrast him with the likes of Chair and Manning who have willingly gone out on loan, come back better players and won the manager over. If Goss isn't prepared to make similar sacrifices in order to improve then he won't get minutes on the pitch. As a result, you have to look beyond this to make an assessment and the evidence calls his character and attitude into question.
Or you could just explain it all with a pic of Charles Leclerc! Love that... [Post edited 15 Aug 2019 14:53]
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| Goss and other fringe players on 14:57 - Aug 14 with 1577 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Goss and other fringe players on 17:13 - Aug 13 by rsonist |
The view of him as pampered academy poodle has definitely taken on a distorted life of its own. I can't remember where the story about him refusing loans even came from but I wonder if there wasn't more to it than that. (I don't even think a young player being selective about loans is automatically that bad to be honest - especially for one in a specialist role - but compared to not playing at all at his age...)
The academy angle doesn't bear much examination. (Probably a hangover from Will Keane's limp visit in fairness). Those types do exist but footballers of all pathways get too big for their boots.... IIRC Man United currently have the highest number of graduates plying their trade in the leagues.
In general if they're not pleasing us we're often far too quick to put two and two together and make five jumping on these young men living the bizarre warped lives the industry has handed them. It wasn't so long ago on here that (when he wasn't partying in Dubai with JET) Grant Hall was a contract burden who obviously wasn't trying hard enough to overcome tendonitis while sunning himself on holiday with his Z-list tabloid sleb missus. But now he's a good lad again and hmm yes mental health is a serious issue isn't it.
The game has made us all hypocrites now but at least let's own it. |
Guess what? Players can change. Criticism of Grant Hall was justified because he spent too long mimicking Matthew Rose. Thankfully he woke up, knuckled down, sacrificed this summer to improve his fitness and is now finally showing us what he's capable of. He deserves great credit for that but the original criticism was justified, just as it is with Goss. | | | |
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