| Distort 18:57 - May 9 with 1939 views | Boston |
...what is the accent of the authentic IOM man? Heard some bloke interviewed on the radio this morning explaining your islands rather Orwellian sounding virus policies and he sounded like a mickey mouser. |  |
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| Distort on 19:02 - May 9 with 1672 views | CiderwithRsie |
I'll be interested in the answer. Visiting in the last 10 years or so a milder form of scouse seems quite common, especially in the young, but my recollection of my (great) aunts in the late 60s and 70s was closer to rural Lancashire - again, quite soft - but with a bit of a lilt to it. | | | |
| Distort on 19:05 - May 9 with 1670 views | qpr_1968 |
was there in 1974, don't know what the native accent is over there, but manc and jock is what I heard most. | |
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| Distort on 00:22 - May 10 with 1596 views | distortR |
they have a Manx accent, mate
Where to go with that one? Some of the younger ones do sound a bit scouseish, albeit softer, but I don't know how I'd describe the proper accent......softer, more rural, Cider may well be right, i don't really know the Lancastrian accent well enough to compare.
And yeah, the authorities have gone a bit power-crazed at the moment, quite a few of those banged up for breaking social distancing rules are from short-term accommodation for the homeless, and may well have mental health issues.
Edit - 'lilt' is a good word to use in association with the accent, i think. [Post edited 10 May 2020 0:23]
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| Distort on 00:45 - May 10 with 1574 views | queensparker |
Had a brief fling with a girl from the Isle of Man back in the day - she always sounded like a pure scouser to me. |  | | |
| Distort on 07:25 - May 10 with 1518 views | Konk |
I used to have a client on the IOM. All the locals I dealt with had a soft Scouse accent - sounded like they were from a nice bit of the Wirral or something. |  |
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| Distort on 08:30 - May 10 with 1483 views | distortR |
| Distort on 07:25 - May 10 by Konk |
I used to have a client on the IOM. All the locals I dealt with had a soft Scouse accent - sounded like they were from a nice bit of the Wirral or something. |
as cider said, when you come across a proper, old school Manx person, their accent isn't like that. Sometimes hear it in younger locals too, and i like that - i think the scouse thing is part of the cultural homogenisation the world seems to be going through. When i lived in Brighton, I was next door to a proper old local for a while, and he had a real country burr that you wouldn't hear in the younger ones.
Some Manx words and phrases are used in everyday language -" skeet " is to have a look, for example. you go "down north" - confuses a lot of "come overs"." traa dy liooar" means time enough, and even I've picked that one up! a 'fella' in my town is one of those behind the resurgence in the Manx language and culture, so i'll greet him with "fastyr mie" . Halloween is "hop tu naa" and a stinging nettle is a "jinny nettle". A manx saying i came across recently translates as "judge me by the man I am, not the man I was". Wise. | | | |
| Distort on 14:12 - May 10 with 1401 views | Boston |
| Distort on 00:22 - May 10 by distortR |
they have a Manx accent, mate
Where to go with that one? Some of the younger ones do sound a bit scouseish, albeit softer, but I don't know how I'd describe the proper accent......softer, more rural, Cider may well be right, i don't really know the Lancastrian accent well enough to compare.
And yeah, the authorities have gone a bit power-crazed at the moment, quite a few of those banged up for breaking social distancing rules are from short-term accommodation for the homeless, and may well have mental health issues.
Edit - 'lilt' is a good word to use in association with the accent, i think. [Post edited 10 May 2020 0:23]
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You learn something new every day, I had absolutely no idea the Isle of Man was a totally tropical island. | |
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| Distort on 14:22 - May 10 with 1378 views | HamptonR |
I watched one of those High Brow documentaries, Britain's hardest pubs or similar, and they went to a pub on the island and it was full of, dead hard geezers who all had a scouse accent.
I thought the island was full of scousers that could swim. | | | |
| Distort on 14:23 - May 10 with 1375 views | MickS_ |
| Distort on 14:22 - May 10 by HamptonR |
I watched one of those High Brow documentaries, Britain's hardest pubs or similar, and they went to a pub on the island and it was full of, dead hard geezers who all had a scouse accent.
I thought the island was full of scousers that could swim. |
Flat roof? |  | | |
| Distort on 14:26 - May 10 with 1369 views | HamptonR |
| Distort on 14:23 - May 10 by MickS_ |
Flat roof? |
If memory serves me correctly, very flat! | | | |
| Distort on 14:32 - May 10 with 1357 views | Boston |
| Distort on 14:22 - May 10 by HamptonR |
I watched one of those High Brow documentaries, Britain's hardest pubs or similar, and they went to a pub on the island and it was full of, dead hard geezers who all had a scouse accent.
I thought the island was full of scousers that could swim. |
That's the notorious Brotherhood of Man firm. | |
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| Distort on 14:43 - May 10 with 1339 views | MickS_ |
| Distort on 14:32 - May 10 by Boston |
That's the notorious Brotherhood of Man firm. |
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| Distort on 14:51 - May 10 with 1321 views | Boston |
| Distort on 14:43 - May 10 by MickS_ |
Even worse |
You wait and see if the one called Kelly thinks they're bad. | |
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| Distort on 15:23 - May 10 with 1293 views | CamberleyR |
| Distort on 08:30 - May 10 by distortR |
as cider said, when you come across a proper, old school Manx person, their accent isn't like that. Sometimes hear it in younger locals too, and i like that - i think the scouse thing is part of the cultural homogenisation the world seems to be going through. When i lived in Brighton, I was next door to a proper old local for a while, and he had a real country burr that you wouldn't hear in the younger ones.
Some Manx words and phrases are used in everyday language -" skeet " is to have a look, for example. you go "down north" - confuses a lot of "come overs"." traa dy liooar" means time enough, and even I've picked that one up! a 'fella' in my town is one of those behind the resurgence in the Manx language and culture, so i'll greet him with "fastyr mie" . Halloween is "hop tu naa" and a stinging nettle is a "jinny nettle". A manx saying i came across recently translates as "judge me by the man I am, not the man I was". Wise. |
Accents in a few parts of the country have undergone changes down the years. The cricket commentator John Arlott for example with his gentle, country burr was actually born, brought up and lived the early part of his life in Basingstoke.
You certainly wouldn't hear an accent like his in Basingstoke nowadays, certainly not from any of the post-war generation due to people moving out west from London. I suspect the Reading accent would have undergone a similar transformation with people born in the early part of the 20th century having a much more pronounced country twang.
After watching that programme last year about the prison on the Isle of Man, the accent to me sounded like a hybrid of Manchester/Scouse. |  |
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| Distort on 16:08 - May 10 with 1274 views | Boston |
| Distort on 15:23 - May 10 by CamberleyR |
Accents in a few parts of the country have undergone changes down the years. The cricket commentator John Arlott for example with his gentle, country burr was actually born, brought up and lived the early part of his life in Basingstoke.
You certainly wouldn't hear an accent like his in Basingstoke nowadays, certainly not from any of the post-war generation due to people moving out west from London. I suspect the Reading accent would have undergone a similar transformation with people born in the early part of the 20th century having a much more pronounced country twang.
After watching that programme last year about the prison on the Isle of Man, the accent to me sounded like a hybrid of Manchester/Scouse. |
Nearly forty years ago I worked at a property located on Field End Rd near the junction with Eastcote High Rd in Eastcote. The job was notable for a number of reasons but two have always remained in my mind a/ one of the residents was Dorothy Hill-Wood of the Arsenal FC Hill-Woods donchaknow and b/ the cleaner was an incredibly sprightly, attractive woman around 70 years of age who spoke with a distinct rural burr. I naturally assumed she was from another part of the country but as the weeks progressed to months and we got to know her she revealed she was actually bred born and reared within a few hundred feet of where we were working. Occasionally passing pedestrians would stop and talk to her and I discovered a number of the older passersby spoke with the same soft 'lilt'. Myself and the other lads were quite surprised at how this neck of outer London must have changed in such a short space of time. [Post edited 10 May 2020 16:10]
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| Distort on 19:40 - May 10 with 1226 views | distortR |
| Distort on 15:23 - May 10 by CamberleyR |
Accents in a few parts of the country have undergone changes down the years. The cricket commentator John Arlott for example with his gentle, country burr was actually born, brought up and lived the early part of his life in Basingstoke.
You certainly wouldn't hear an accent like his in Basingstoke nowadays, certainly not from any of the post-war generation due to people moving out west from London. I suspect the Reading accent would have undergone a similar transformation with people born in the early part of the 20th century having a much more pronounced country twang.
After watching that programme last year about the prison on the Isle of Man, the accent to me sounded like a hybrid of Manchester/Scouse. |
yeah but, no but.................the little scally's over here are often scouse/manc wannabe's.
not to be confused with our resident naturalised wallabies. [Post edited 10 May 2020 19:40]
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| Distort on 21:48 - May 10 with 1181 views | CiderwithRsie |
| Distort on 16:08 - May 10 by Boston |
Nearly forty years ago I worked at a property located on Field End Rd near the junction with Eastcote High Rd in Eastcote. The job was notable for a number of reasons but two have always remained in my mind a/ one of the residents was Dorothy Hill-Wood of the Arsenal FC Hill-Woods donchaknow and b/ the cleaner was an incredibly sprightly, attractive woman around 70 years of age who spoke with a distinct rural burr. I naturally assumed she was from another part of the country but as the weeks progressed to months and we got to know her she revealed she was actually bred born and reared within a few hundred feet of where we were working. Occasionally passing pedestrians would stop and talk to her and I discovered a number of the older passersby spoke with the same soft 'lilt'. Myself and the other lads were quite surprised at how this neck of outer London must have changed in such a short space of time. [Post edited 10 May 2020 16:10]
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Yeah, it's hard to credit, but there was an old actor guy called Bernard Miles - later Lord Miles - who started out specialising in ooh-arrr rural types - he got the accent from the village he grew up in before the war, which was somewhere like Denham and he went to school in Uxbridge.
My dad is 92 and grew up in Ruislip - he said when he was kid before the war there were old blokes who told him that when they were kids - I suppose late Victorian times - they used to hop on the wagons going into London taking hay for the hansom cab horses, have a mooch round then hop on the wagons going back. Different world but just two lifetimes back!
On the Manx thing, I've just remembered reading a supposedly humorous article in a Manx paper when I was a kid where the writer was talking about a girl "with one of those dreadful English accents" which was pretty obviously scouse - he thought she said she came from a depraved area but she meant deprived. | | | |
| Distort on 21:57 - May 10 with 1178 views | CiderwithRsie |
Now I think about it, the best place to hear something like what I remember of my aunts' Manx accent might be if you've ever had a holiday in the Lake District and heard any of the locals, especially the older ones.
But the spread of big city accents is all over the place, estuary English in Essex is a good example, lots of the place used to be very ooh-arrgh and some still is. John Arlott being from near Basingstoke is a great example. Where I am in Glos the old country accent is common enough but it's clearly disappearing among the kids. Brizzle's obviously different, down there the old ooh-arr is a big city accent. | | | |
| Distort on 18:59 - May 11 with 1072 views | karl |
| Distort on 21:57 - May 10 by CiderwithRsie |
Now I think about it, the best place to hear something like what I remember of my aunts' Manx accent might be if you've ever had a holiday in the Lake District and heard any of the locals, especially the older ones.
But the spread of big city accents is all over the place, estuary English in Essex is a good example, lots of the place used to be very ooh-arrgh and some still is. John Arlott being from near Basingstoke is a great example. Where I am in Glos the old country accent is common enough but it's clearly disappearing among the kids. Brizzle's obviously different, down there the old ooh-arr is a big city accent. |
Yes accents are great and it is unfortunate that with movement of people, not in itself a bad thing, it has diluted and changed so many different dialects.
I have a Manx base to my accent but I think it's changed a lot since I've been away 30 years, my own parents have lived in the Isle of Man for 50 years with a 4yr gap in the middle and yet when they come back to Orkney on holiday they have a definite Orcadian accent, it's less obvious in the IoM but it's very definitely Scottish.
My whole family in Orkney are broad Orcadian spoken and I'm the random with an odd accent who gets stick for it still, always a bit of pressure to use dialect words but I cringe whenever I hear English spoken people use them as it just doesn't work so I've consciously always stuck to my neutral way. It is difficult when I'm dealing with fishermen who are generally all yokel locals and the temptation is always there!
An odd thing happening in our house atm is our 10yr old who is basically going in the opposite direction to me, he went to school with basically a mild English accent with a Scottish twang and now he's friends with broad spoken kids he's now using a lot of dialect and quite strong Orcadian accented words, still got his background accent but that's how I went and ended up with a general Manx accent, I do speak a lot of these words at home but not outside, very strange but they were my vocabulary probably till I was about 10 as well.
My older brother was different and he went back to having an Orcadian accent when moving here at basically the same time as me.
Being islands Orkney had many distinctive accents of its own and you could tell in the past where they were from relatively easy, not so much now as most smaller islands are predominantly incomers and their children, many of them locally born now.
These island which have these new residents are quite funny in that you have a lot of quite obviously English accented people speaking Orcadian, it would be a 'Franglais' kind of thing I think?
Hoy and Stronsay are definitely like this, quite strange to hear tbh.
Edit. I always described the standard Manx accent as posh Scouse, the older hard dialect has quite a few similarities to Orcadian [Post edited 11 May 2020 19:18]
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| Distort on 19:52 - May 11 with 1045 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Distort on 18:59 - May 11 by karl |
Yes accents are great and it is unfortunate that with movement of people, not in itself a bad thing, it has diluted and changed so many different dialects.
I have a Manx base to my accent but I think it's changed a lot since I've been away 30 years, my own parents have lived in the Isle of Man for 50 years with a 4yr gap in the middle and yet when they come back to Orkney on holiday they have a definite Orcadian accent, it's less obvious in the IoM but it's very definitely Scottish.
My whole family in Orkney are broad Orcadian spoken and I'm the random with an odd accent who gets stick for it still, always a bit of pressure to use dialect words but I cringe whenever I hear English spoken people use them as it just doesn't work so I've consciously always stuck to my neutral way. It is difficult when I'm dealing with fishermen who are generally all yokel locals and the temptation is always there!
An odd thing happening in our house atm is our 10yr old who is basically going in the opposite direction to me, he went to school with basically a mild English accent with a Scottish twang and now he's friends with broad spoken kids he's now using a lot of dialect and quite strong Orcadian accented words, still got his background accent but that's how I went and ended up with a general Manx accent, I do speak a lot of these words at home but not outside, very strange but they were my vocabulary probably till I was about 10 as well.
My older brother was different and he went back to having an Orcadian accent when moving here at basically the same time as me.
Being islands Orkney had many distinctive accents of its own and you could tell in the past where they were from relatively easy, not so much now as most smaller islands are predominantly incomers and their children, many of them locally born now.
These island which have these new residents are quite funny in that you have a lot of quite obviously English accented people speaking Orcadian, it would be a 'Franglais' kind of thing I think?
Hoy and Stronsay are definitely like this, quite strange to hear tbh.
Edit. I always described the standard Manx accent as posh Scouse, the older hard dialect has quite a few similarities to Orcadian [Post edited 11 May 2020 19:18]
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That’s a Peedie story whit! |  | | |
| Distort on 20:06 - May 11 with 1031 views | karl |
| Distort on 19:52 - May 11 by BazzaInTheLoft |
That’s a Peedie story whit! |
That's definitely a Rousay incomer mixing his Orcadian words.
Thats a peedie yarn, buey! | | | |
| Distort on 20:09 - May 11 with 1028 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Distort on 20:06 - May 11 by karl |
That's definitely a Rousay incomer mixing his Orcadian words.
Thats a peedie yarn, buey! |
Haha
Just read that Max Scratchmann book again. | | | |
| Distort on 20:25 - May 11 with 1013 views | karl |
| Distort on 20:09 - May 11 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Haha
Just read that Max Scratchmann book again. |
Still haven't seen a copy of it | | | |
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