| Warnock at it again 20:09 - Oct 31 with 4371 views | Bobbi66 |
What a manager he is .Never should have let him go |  | | |  |
| Warnock at it again on 13:29 - Nov 1 with 1162 views | NW5Hoop |
Lot of 20/20 hindsight here. I don't remember huge fury when he was sacked. Sadness, because everyone liked him and was grateful for what he had done, but most people at the time thought he was out of his depth. I know I did. | | | |
| Warnock at it again on 14:07 - Nov 1 with 1148 views | francisbowles |
| Warnock at it again on 22:38 - Oct 31 by Antti_Heinola |
Neil Warnock left the club nearly 9 years ago. It was a mistake then, we should've kept him and eaten relegation had it come and then either moved on or used the money to rebuild. Or obviously kept him on had we stayed up, which, even as it was, was pretty miraculous considering the run of teams we beat at home to stay up.
Neil Warnock came back later and steadied a wobbly ship, winning two, drawing one and losing one. We scored two goals in four games. At that time, Warnock was saying he wanted to be a DoF, not really a manager. Perhaps we could've pushed the boat out to get him. Perhaps he didn't want the job. The fact is, he didn't come. That was now 5 years ago.
PLEASE, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD. GET OVER IT. HE IS NEVER COMING BACK. |
Just to build on your second paragraph, Antti. I remember he said he didn't want a full time role, at the time, because Sharon, his wife, had breast cancer. He even missed the third of the four games and Kevin Blackwell took over.
In the meantime the club were negotiating and offering the job to JFH.
When Warnock reappeared for the fourth game and we got a fortunate win at Reading, he loved it, got the bug back and was changing his mind but it was too late.
He subsequently took a manager's role, can't remember which club, maybe Rotherham? | | | |
| Warnock at it again on 14:10 - Nov 1 with 1141 views | MedwayR |
| Warnock at it again on 13:29 - Nov 1 by NW5Hoop |
Lot of 20/20 hindsight here. I don't remember huge fury when he was sacked. Sadness, because everyone liked him and was grateful for what he had done, but most people at the time thought he was out of his depth. I know I did. |
Same, and I still think it was the right decision to sack him. The problem was replacing him with Hughes, which never felt like a good fit although on paper it seemed a good appointment. |  |
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| Warnock at it again on 14:18 - Nov 1 with 1107 views | Boston |
| Warnock at it again on 14:10 - Nov 1 by MedwayR |
Same, and I still think it was the right decision to sack him. The problem was replacing him with Hughes, which never felt like a good fit although on paper it seemed a good appointment. |
What fcking paper do you read! | |
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| Warnock at it again on 21:51 - Nov 3 with 991 views | Lblock |
1 defeat in 10 now
5 clean sheets
He’s garbage at organising a defence, getting the basics right and turning rotten teams into decent ones at this level.
Absolutely not what we needed second time around.
The board will get it right |  |
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| Warnock at it again on 09:47 - Nov 4 with 872 views | francisbowles |
| Warnock at it again on 21:51 - Nov 3 by Lblock |
1 defeat in 10 now
5 clean sheets
He’s garbage at organising a defence, getting the basics right and turning rotten teams into decent ones at this level.
Absolutely not what we needed second time around.
The board will get it right |
What part of him saying 'he didn't want it because his wife had breast cancer' do you not understand? | | | |
| Warnock at it again on 09:57 - Nov 4 with 854 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| Warnock at it again on 21:51 - Nov 3 by Lblock |
1 defeat in 10 now
5 clean sheets
He’s garbage at organising a defence, getting the basics right and turning rotten teams into decent ones at this level.
Absolutely not what we needed second time around.
The board will get it right |
His final game against Reading was the last time we looked like we were upwardly mobile and heading for the play-offs. But like you say, the board were clearly protecting us from disappointment, knowing we'd lose in the semi-finals. Good board. Knowledgeable board. | | | |
| Warnock at it again on 10:44 - Nov 4 with 807 views | Lblock |
| Warnock at it again on 09:47 - Nov 4 by francisbowles |
What part of him saying 'he didn't want it because his wife had breast cancer' do you not understand? |
The part of that which is bollox
It was a straight choice between Sir Les or King Warnock
Bungle and the boys backed the horse they backed, that’s that | |
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| Warnock at it again on 11:01 - Nov 4 with 787 views | danehoop |
| Warnock at it again on 10:44 - Nov 4 by Lblock |
The part of that which is bollox
It was a straight choice between Sir Les or King Warnock
Bungle and the boys backed the horse they backed, that’s that |
That isn't true.
When we re-appointed Warnock on the temporary basis, it took a fair bit of persuasion for him to take the role. It was he who was very clear at the outset that he didn't want at that time to come back into full time management and wasn't interested in the role substantively. He was in effect happy to do us a favour because he had good memories of it and good relations with the club. It was only at the end of his temporary appointment and once the recruitment process had been completed that he indicated that he might have been interested after all in the role full time.
It wasn't a cock up by anyone, it was Warnock changing his mind after the fact. I think that the club would have taken him on at the outset had he professed that he wanted the role substantively - it would have saved time, money and effort and been a very easy appointment to make for everyone. The fans would have been happy as would the club management. Remember though that for all of the stability he bought at that critical moment, he wouldn't have had the squad he previously had and we were playing some pretty dire football at that point, even if it stopped the rot.
I say this as a massive Warnock fan. He was great for us and is truly a legend. It would probably have been great to have a second run with us at that point - but it wasn't the fault of the club that it didn't happen, nor was it some kind of straight choice between Warnock and Ferdinand. |  |
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| Warnock at it again on 11:21 - Nov 4 with 759 views | Lblock |
| Warnock at it again on 11:01 - Nov 4 by danehoop |
That isn't true.
When we re-appointed Warnock on the temporary basis, it took a fair bit of persuasion for him to take the role. It was he who was very clear at the outset that he didn't want at that time to come back into full time management and wasn't interested in the role substantively. He was in effect happy to do us a favour because he had good memories of it and good relations with the club. It was only at the end of his temporary appointment and once the recruitment process had been completed that he indicated that he might have been interested after all in the role full time.
It wasn't a cock up by anyone, it was Warnock changing his mind after the fact. I think that the club would have taken him on at the outset had he professed that he wanted the role substantively - it would have saved time, money and effort and been a very easy appointment to make for everyone. The fans would have been happy as would the club management. Remember though that for all of the stability he bought at that critical moment, he wouldn't have had the squad he previously had and we were playing some pretty dire football at that point, even if it stopped the rot.
I say this as a massive Warnock fan. He was great for us and is truly a legend. It would probably have been great to have a second run with us at that point - but it wasn't the fault of the club that it didn't happen, nor was it some kind of straight choice between Warnock and Ferdinand. |
My version from others is different
I'll say no more.
People are right, the ship has sailed, I only brought it up again due to frustration/admiration for the fella | |
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| Warnock at it again on 11:22 - Nov 4 with 762 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Warnock at it again on 10:44 - Nov 4 by Lblock |
The part of that which is bollox
It was a straight choice between Sir Les or King Warnock
Bungle and the boys backed the horse they backed, that’s that |
LB,
I asked you why you thought that last week and you produced no proof of it. You may feel that, and fair play to you, but I can't find a quote to back it up. |  |
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| Warnock at it again on 14:12 - Nov 4 with 680 views | PinnerPaul |
| Warnock at it again on 21:51 - Nov 3 by Lblock |
1 defeat in 10 now
5 clean sheets
He’s garbage at organising a defence, getting the basics right and turning rotten teams into decent ones at this level.
Absolutely not what we needed second time around.
The board will get it right |
and turning to the goals for column I see they have the same number as a certain team whose forwards can't score - wonder who that is?  | | | |
| Warnock at it again on 14:26 - Nov 4 with 670 views | 100percent |
| Warnock at it again on 21:51 - Nov 3 by Lblock |
1 defeat in 10 now
5 clean sheets
He’s garbage at organising a defence, getting the basics right and turning rotten teams into decent ones at this level.
Absolutely not what we needed second time around.
The board will get it right |
That's as maybe, but last night's game was a tough watch from anyone's angle. |  | | |
| Warnock at it again on 14:45 - Nov 4 with 650 views | DejR_vu |
| Warnock at it again on 09:47 - Nov 4 by francisbowles |
What part of him saying 'he didn't want it because his wife had breast cancer' do you not understand? |
In fairness, he did pitch up at Rotherham about a month later. That’s a pretty spectacular u-turn.
I suspect, as with most things in life, it’s not neither of the polar views being expressed on here. I would have thought he had said he was only helping out, but that he was getting the bug back, but the club didn’t dig too deep on that. The fact is he took a job a few weeks later when his wife was still ill. I would have thought, if the club had wanted it to happen, there could have been a way to make it happen.
And let’s be honest, this regime have messed up pretty much everything they’ve touched so it’s not much of a stretch to think they ballsed this up as well.
Edit: spelling [Post edited 4 Nov 2020 14:54]
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| Warnock at it again on 16:23 - Nov 4 with 601 views | rsonist |
Agree with Lblock here actually. Even without the contributory factors of mixed messages and ships in the night timing and whatever etc, for Warnock to have returned permanently he would i) have had to have been hired over Les' head and ii) have effectively kneecapped Les completely.
It's not just that there was a clash of personalities between LF and NW, though that's part of it (and I think Les was quite right to spot the sly two-part coup NW was really looking to stage behind the soft folksy pretence of "getting the bug back"). It's about the job LF was hired to do and a commitment to the change in direction and overhaul in infrastructure the club had embarked on, which is to say a return to developing players with sell-on value and building a club with a firmer foundation and clearer identity and scope for continuity than the one that had twice failed throwing money about.
Warnock isn't suited to that path. He runs clubs on his own without interference or oversight. He's not a "chequebook manager" but he is a transfer market manager nevertheless. He gets the best out of underachieving players but he hasn't a track record for developing them (feel free to jump on me for this nuance but what is NW's record sale?) and has generally been blind to youth players since the days of Tonge and Jagielka. When he leaves a club it's up to the next guy to build a new one.
Put it bluntly he gets you promoted - quite magnificently there's no denying - and then what? Cardiff and Blades would tell you not much, and what's more years the back down with all the parachute payments in the world don't quite turn out as constructively as they did with Dyche's Burnley say (who are a statistical outlier at this point in terms of strategic yo-yoing).
Lblock can correct me if I'm wrong, but the true hand he never plays is this: for him it's not the way we're doing it - which is the argument we all assume we're having on here - but what we're doing in the first place.
How much time does Warburton have? by HOOPNO7 11 Jul 2020 17:10Since coming back from Lockdown we have been P!ss poor in defence & after today's performance/result how long will it be before the Board make a change?
Community - yep when in Admin it was a brilliant place and “all in it together”. Long since gone and never the case before
Self Sufficiency - errrmm? When? Literally when ever in our history have we not been reliant on owners????
Youth Development - I agree, that Richard Langley is a ‘kin legend
The culture of this club is decent football, the 10 shirt, band of brothers, small club sticking it to the bigger clubs, West London arrogance and loyal die hards demanding sweat for the badge.
Then again, I'm pretty sure we're talking about the same King Warnock that signed Hall and bid for Amos and Goode and Moore this summer so maybe LB and the management are on the same page after all... |  | | |
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