| Better but still beaten, QPR continue to unravel - Report 17:46 - Apr 10 with 6070 views | Northernr |
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| Better but still beaten, QPR continue to unravel - Report on 16:12 - Apr 11 with 1694 views | daveB |
| Better but still beaten, QPR continue to unravel - Report on 15:50 - Apr 11 by ParkRoyalR |
By those stats that's 3 starts in 19 games for Austin since that incident (if I'm correct in recalling it was Rotherham game) and 6 in 8 immediately prior.
And how many of those 3 starts came due to rotation (eg Peterborough Away in FA Cup) and / or injuries to Dykes and Gray.
Plus going out of his way to talk positively about his professionalism seems a bit odd (eg why would we be thinking otherwise and why feel the need to say this?) then starting Chair ahead of him as 2nd Striker, all just seems very odd (and I'm far from a conspiracy theorist type).
Anyway, hope they give him more time as the drop-off in form of Austin & SJ could'nt have been predicted by anyone and has been a very important factor this season, given injuries to Willock and Dykes. |
He talks about players professionalism who are not in the team a lot, he went out of his way to mention the likes of Ball, Thomas and Kakay over the last few months so wasn't a big jump for him to say similar about Austin the other week.
I didn't get why Chair started up front at the weekend either, would have started Gray myself as he's been the only one showing any form recently |  | | |
| Better but still beaten, QPR continue to unravel - Report on 16:38 - Apr 11 with 1636 views | stevec |
| Better but still beaten, QPR continue to unravel - Report on 22:41 - Apr 10 by daveB |
All seasons we have had moments in games where things turn. An iffy start against Birmingham then Chair smashes one in and we win comfortably, missing chances in games we are winning and then ending up losing like Forest, Cardiff and Peterborough. Yesterday was another of those, first 20 minutes Dozzell has a great chance to put us one up but misses, Chair went close as well, one of those go in and we win that game imo but longer half went on you could see the belief draining away and were 2 down before we knew it.
So frustrating, season is panning out like Warburtons first one with so much promise then a calamitous end to the season undoing all the good work. |
Wonder if Warburton does literally have a ceiling and once he hits it the whole thing falls apart.
As you alluded to, we were on a bit of a ride in 19/20, think 4-6 points off the play offs, Covid shutdown and then I seem to remember he went totally negative on something, trying to recall what it was now, but I mentioned at the time you don’t need to start putting doubts in the players minds. It went totally pear shape in the 9 games remaining.
Noticed he started to say things that could be construed as negative when we were in touching distance of top two. The constant moaning about Saturday/Tuesday, no time for coaching etc seems to be a defensive mechanism he puts up as a shield.
He reminds me of the sort of golfer who’ll have a brilliant final round when way behind and the pressures off, but if in contention on the final day, completely blow up.
In many ways that’s QPR through and through, perhaps he is the perfect fit, but someday we need to break these habits. |  | | |
| Better but still beaten, QPR continue to unravel - Report on 17:05 - Apr 11 with 1582 views | Lblock |
| Better but still beaten, QPR continue to unravel - Report on 16:38 - Apr 11 by stevec |
Wonder if Warburton does literally have a ceiling and once he hits it the whole thing falls apart.
As you alluded to, we were on a bit of a ride in 19/20, think 4-6 points off the play offs, Covid shutdown and then I seem to remember he went totally negative on something, trying to recall what it was now, but I mentioned at the time you don’t need to start putting doubts in the players minds. It went totally pear shape in the 9 games remaining.
Noticed he started to say things that could be construed as negative when we were in touching distance of top two. The constant moaning about Saturday/Tuesday, no time for coaching etc seems to be a defensive mechanism he puts up as a shield.
He reminds me of the sort of golfer who’ll have a brilliant final round when way behind and the pressures off, but if in contention on the final day, completely blow up.
In many ways that’s QPR through and through, perhaps he is the perfect fit, but someday we need to break these habits. |
That was the lack of prep time / notice given to re-starting the season |  |
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| Better but still beaten, QPR continue to unravel - Report on 17:38 - Apr 11 with 1517 views | stevec |
| Better but still beaten, QPR continue to unravel - Report on 17:05 - Apr 11 by Lblock |
That was the lack of prep time / notice given to re-starting the season |
Yeah thanks, that was it.
It’s a shame, he’s a good bloke but seems to fear the next step, thereabouts seems to be his comfort zone.
There’s been some excellent managers who only played at lower or non league level but it must be difficult having the confidence to carry that off when better players get preferential treatment for managers jobs irrespective of their actual managerial capability. | | | |
| Better but still beaten, QPR continue to unravel - Report on 17:56 - Apr 11 with 1491 views | Damo1962 |
| Better but still beaten, QPR continue to unravel - Report on 15:50 - Apr 11 by ParkRoyalR |
By those stats that's 3 starts in 19 games for Austin since that incident (if I'm correct in recalling it was Rotherham game) and 6 in 8 immediately prior.
And how many of those 3 starts came due to rotation (eg Peterborough Away in FA Cup) and / or injuries to Dykes and Gray.
Plus going out of his way to talk positively about his professionalism seems a bit odd (eg why would we be thinking otherwise and why feel the need to say this?) then starting Chair ahead of him as 2nd Striker, all just seems very odd (and I'm far from a conspiracy theorist type).
Anyway, hope they give him more time as the drop-off in form of Austin & SJ could'nt have been predicted by anyone and has been a very important factor this season, given injuries to Willock and Dykes. |
Chaz and SJ should be told in no uncertain terms, to spend the summer getting fitter. A bit of Sports Phychiatry might benefit them too. |  | | |
| Better but still beaten, QPR continue to unravel - Report on 17:57 - Apr 11 with 1487 views | Damo1962 |
| Better but still beaten, QPR continue to unravel - Report on 16:38 - Apr 11 by stevec |
Wonder if Warburton does literally have a ceiling and once he hits it the whole thing falls apart.
As you alluded to, we were on a bit of a ride in 19/20, think 4-6 points off the play offs, Covid shutdown and then I seem to remember he went totally negative on something, trying to recall what it was now, but I mentioned at the time you don’t need to start putting doubts in the players minds. It went totally pear shape in the 9 games remaining.
Noticed he started to say things that could be construed as negative when we were in touching distance of top two. The constant moaning about Saturday/Tuesday, no time for coaching etc seems to be a defensive mechanism he puts up as a shield.
He reminds me of the sort of golfer who’ll have a brilliant final round when way behind and the pressures off, but if in contention on the final day, completely blow up.
In many ways that’s QPR through and through, perhaps he is the perfect fit, but someday we need to break these habits. |
This. Agree with every word. | | | |
| Better but still beaten, QPR continue to unravel - Report on 18:28 - Apr 11 with 1440 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Better but still beaten, QPR continue to unravel - Report on 17:56 - Apr 11 by Damo1962 |
Chaz and SJ should be told in no uncertain terms, to spend the summer getting fitter. A bit of Sports Phychiatry might benefit them too. |
Some fans want to sack Warburton who's probably grafted through every minute of his contract 24/7 and tell those who have, lets just say underwhelmed this year...
C'mon lads any chance you get a bit fitter so you can do what your're paid excessive amounts of money to do?
If Warburton gets sacked, and the Eze thing does n't happen and we have to sell Willock so we can afford to pay the 2nd year of a certain players wages, I'll renew my season ticket but will only attend the games where those players who wear the shirt with pride are playing.
No way am I watching players jogging around and directing other players where to run, they can go fck themselves. | | | |
| Better but still beaten, QPR continue to unravel - Report on 18:31 - Apr 11 with 1435 views | Greenbay |
| Better but still beaten, QPR continue to unravel - Report on 09:49 - Apr 11 by Northernr |
I think it's getting pretty obvious that he's going at the end of the season.
I think it's a shame, I'd keep him. Best manager we've had since Warnock, and the calibre of his replacement won't be anywhere near the Twitterati seem to think it would be. Not an attractive job, and Warburton knows, embraces and works within the restrictions we've got here.
If he'd done the job he'd done for us over the last three years somewhere else, and we were now looking for a manager, he'd be very high on our list. Sacking a manager who would be his own best replacement is never a shrewd move.
The problem you've got is if you do keep him he'll have very little credit in the tank, so if you lose a couple of games at the start of next season the knives will be out and the mood will turn. But what his most vocal critics never acknowledge is they hated Holloway's post match interviews, team selections and substitutions as well, and McClaren's. They'll hate the next bloke's interviews, choices and substitutions too. |
Clive - I hope you're wrong.
Agreed - Warbs is by far the best manager we've had in years.
So being logical - I can see no point in the Board firing him.
Therefore it will be down to Warbs.
Three years is a long time in that job with all those constraints.
That's in addition to the pitfalls of the last 2/3 months after everything had looked so good.
So he must be physically and more important - mentally tired.
I hope he has a bit of a break and returns with renewed vigour.
But if he decides not to continue surely the Board will appoint Eustace.
In that way - with Eustace knowing how the club runs - then it won't be starting all over again.
And we won't have to look for an 'outside' manager and all the changes that would be made.
But as I've always said - Warbs - forget the disappointment - build a team for a third time in what would be your fourth year with us.
I'm reminded of Alex Ferguson - and I know it's at another level.
Wasn't he nearly sacked in his early days?
Well he stayed for what 27 years at Man. U. - and that paid handsome dividends.
At our level Warbs - with such tight constraints - has exceeded expectations.
We have to improve - by small margins every year.
Warbs is the man to do it - but only if he wants to. | | | |
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| Better but still beaten, QPR continue to unravel - Report on 21:28 - Apr 11 with 1278 views | DannytheR |
I'd be very, very surprised if it isn't Eustace taking over. |  | | |
| Better but still beaten, QPR continue to unravel - Report on 08:09 - Apr 12 with 1086 views | davman |
Trying to be objective in the cold light of day, but the results are pretty damning - it is an horrendous collapse...
But...
We change the manager all the frigging time and yet we see nothing change bar a Warnock. Maybe Warbs has got us punching way above where we should be. What is it these days, 6th smallest ground in the division with no other income stream? Our "place" may be reverting to somewhere between the second and third tiers rather than the top ten in the country where some still think we are, so maybe this really is as good as it gets?
I am in a quandary with Warbs as he will try, try and try to do the same bloody thing without shifting. A back four on Saturday, not out of choice and it actually took Preston by surprise somewhat. Yes, the 3 at the back was transformative at the time, but maybe that was because Barbet couldn't play effectively in a 2. Take him out and we have two good centre backs and a midfielder who will revel in sitting in front of a back 2.
We could then play with width - Chair one side Albert the other.
Just an idea. SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
So, yes, I think he deserves to stay on one hand, but if he won't change - ARRRRGGGGGHHHHHH! |  |
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| Better but still beaten, QPR continue to unravel - Report on 14:50 - Apr 12 with 981 views | TacticalR |
@Northernr 'I think it's getting pretty obvious that he's going at the end of the season.'
If that's true is this cause or effect? In other words are you suggesting that:
a) the collapse in results is the cause of him leaving
b) knowledge within the club that he was leaving caused the collapse in results |  |
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| Better but still beaten, QPR continue to unravel - Report on 14:52 - Apr 12 with 978 views | Northernr |
| Better but still beaten, QPR continue to unravel - Report on 14:50 - Apr 12 by TacticalR |
@Northernr 'I think it's getting pretty obvious that he's going at the end of the season.'
If that's true is this cause or effect? In other words are you suggesting that:
a) the collapse in results is the cause of him leaving
b) knowledge within the club that he was leaving caused the collapse in results |
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And I'm totally guessing. Not in any kind of loop of ITK situation. It just looks increasingly obvious. | | | |
| Better but still beaten, QPR continue to unravel - Report on 15:00 - Apr 12 with 958 views | TacticalR |
| Better but still beaten, QPR continue to unravel - Report on 14:52 - Apr 12 by Northernr |
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And I'm totally guessing. Not in any kind of loop of ITK situation. It just looks increasingly obvious. |
OK. Another question...
Are you saying that you think this is what he wants, or what the club wants? Or maybe something in between?
It's just that the last time we didn't get rid of him when it looked obvious is when our season took off. | |
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| Better but still beaten, QPR continue to unravel - Report on 15:32 - Apr 12 with 927 views | Antti_Heinola |
Warbs has fought back from the brink before, and surely our luck will turn at some point. Even Barnsley turned a corner. Even Peterborough found someone to beat (us. only us).
I do think the Dieng injury was a sort of catalyst. He's so, so important for us. Marshy did a great job filling in, but can't hep thinking if Dieng hadn't got injured we might have got out of Blackburn with a 0-0, and then beaten Cardiff. 4 points better off, more belief. Probably clutching st straws, and it's not an excuse, but I think it had a big effect on us.
If he can somehow turn it round and, after the inevitable hiding v Huddersfield, get us a couple of wins before the end of the season, he might be ok. But, as i said with Ollie and McClaren: exactly how many games can you lose in a row before you have to go?
The other point remembering is that pre-Christmas in 2020, we looked done for. Popular opinion had it that Austin, Stef and De Wijs turned us around. Well, 0 out of 3 of them have performed with any sort of consistency this season, and all have levels of unfitness. And yet for several months Warbs kept us top 6, essentially without them exerting the influence they had Jan-May last year. And much of that was down to Willock and the development and management of Willock. Warbs still has enough pro points for me, but agree with Clive, it's looking bleak. |  |
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| Better but still beaten, QPR continue to unravel - Report on 15:34 - Apr 12 with 922 views | Northernr |
| Better but still beaten, QPR continue to unravel - Report on 15:00 - Apr 12 by TacticalR |
OK. Another question...
Are you saying that you think this is what he wants, or what the club wants? Or maybe something in between?
It's just that the last time we didn't get rid of him when it looked obvious is when our season took off. |
The only indication is West London Sport, who speak to him far far far more often than I do (two or three times a week vs once a year) say he's keen to stay on for next season. | | | |
| Better but still beaten, QPR continue to unravel - Report on 15:44 - Apr 12 with 905 views | TacticalR |
| Better but still beaten, QPR continue to unravel - Report on 15:34 - Apr 12 by Northernr |
The only indication is West London Sport, who speak to him far far far more often than I do (two or three times a week vs once a year) say he's keen to stay on for next season. |
There could be a gap in the market for ITK updates for platinum level patreons. | |
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| Better but still beaten, QPR continue to unravel - Report on 16:11 - Apr 12 with 876 views | daveB |
| Better but still beaten, QPR continue to unravel - Report on 15:32 - Apr 12 by Antti_Heinola |
Warbs has fought back from the brink before, and surely our luck will turn at some point. Even Barnsley turned a corner. Even Peterborough found someone to beat (us. only us).
I do think the Dieng injury was a sort of catalyst. He's so, so important for us. Marshy did a great job filling in, but can't hep thinking if Dieng hadn't got injured we might have got out of Blackburn with a 0-0, and then beaten Cardiff. 4 points better off, more belief. Probably clutching st straws, and it's not an excuse, but I think it had a big effect on us.
If he can somehow turn it round and, after the inevitable hiding v Huddersfield, get us a couple of wins before the end of the season, he might be ok. But, as i said with Ollie and McClaren: exactly how many games can you lose in a row before you have to go?
The other point remembering is that pre-Christmas in 2020, we looked done for. Popular opinion had it that Austin, Stef and De Wijs turned us around. Well, 0 out of 3 of them have performed with any sort of consistency this season, and all have levels of unfitness. And yet for several months Warbs kept us top 6, essentially without them exerting the influence they had Jan-May last year. And much of that was down to Willock and the development and management of Willock. Warbs still has enough pro points for me, but agree with Clive, it's looking bleak. |
In his first season i thought he was done for after the Sheffield Wednesday home defeat but he pulled out a draw at Luton then beat Millwall and finished the season on a relative high. There is still an opportunity to do that this season. Saturday at Preston I didn't think we were terrible, really should have gone ahead in the first half so it's not as if the players have downed tools.
I do agree the Deing injury has badly hurt us as well as a few other injuries and losses of form but still on Saturday he had a pretty strong side out and some quality on the bench as well, we're not down to bare bones at the moment
I do think he needs to win 3 of the last 5 games to keep his job, if we end up finishing outside the top 10 I can't see how you can give him a new contract | | | |
| Better but still beaten, QPR continue to unravel - Report on 16:37 - Apr 12 with 837 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Better but still beaten, QPR continue to unravel - Report on 16:11 - Apr 12 by daveB |
In his first season i thought he was done for after the Sheffield Wednesday home defeat but he pulled out a draw at Luton then beat Millwall and finished the season on a relative high. There is still an opportunity to do that this season. Saturday at Preston I didn't think we were terrible, really should have gone ahead in the first half so it's not as if the players have downed tools.
I do agree the Deing injury has badly hurt us as well as a few other injuries and losses of form but still on Saturday he had a pretty strong side out and some quality on the bench as well, we're not down to bare bones at the moment
I do think he needs to win 3 of the last 5 games to keep his job, if we end up finishing outside the top 10 I can't see how you can give him a new contract |
I get what you're saying about year on year progress but we could finish outside the top 10 by a few points or the top 6 by say 6 points and that is just too scientific a reason imo to change a manager.
Significant progress has been made with tightening up the defence (Dieng + Dunne), being more competitive in midfield (Field) playing good football and scoring lots of goals (Willock) and I'm not sure anyone could plan for the injuries at Wing Back (McCallum & Moses for what seems like most of the season) and the under-performance of Johansen and Austin.
Warburton has built a good footballing team on not a huge outlay and we have a spine/core of a very good team of players we own on sensible championship wages, all great achievements.
OK a couple of his (and our) gambles have'nt paid off this year (Johansen in part & Austin) but surely all can see the progress up to Willock's injury and will give the guy time to sort out the Johansen & Austin and the Wing-Back issues, so we in a position to genuinely target a Top 6 finish next season rather than fluke it, like we nearly did this season. | | | |
| Better but still beaten, QPR continue to unravel - Report on 16:43 - Apr 12 with 816 views | WestbourneR |
| Better but still beaten, QPR continue to unravel - Report on 14:52 - Apr 12 by Northernr |
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And I'm totally guessing. Not in any kind of loop of ITK situation. It just looks increasingly obvious. |
Why does it look obvious Clive - is it the Hoos interview you're referring to?
I'd be absolutely gutted.
Is there world where Warburton moves upstairs to be a technical director or something and Eustace takes over? |  |
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| Better but still beaten, QPR continue to unravel - Report on 17:03 - Apr 12 with 791 views | daveB |
| Better but still beaten, QPR continue to unravel - Report on 16:37 - Apr 12 by ParkRoyalR |
I get what you're saying about year on year progress but we could finish outside the top 10 by a few points or the top 6 by say 6 points and that is just too scientific a reason imo to change a manager.
Significant progress has been made with tightening up the defence (Dieng + Dunne), being more competitive in midfield (Field) playing good football and scoring lots of goals (Willock) and I'm not sure anyone could plan for the injuries at Wing Back (McCallum & Moses for what seems like most of the season) and the under-performance of Johansen and Austin.
Warburton has built a good footballing team on not a huge outlay and we have a spine/core of a very good team of players we own on sensible championship wages, all great achievements.
OK a couple of his (and our) gambles have'nt paid off this year (Johansen in part & Austin) but surely all can see the progress up to Willock's injury and will give the guy time to sort out the Johansen & Austin and the Wing-Back issues, so we in a position to genuinely target a Top 6 finish next season rather than fluke it, like we nearly did this season. |
I've very split on it all to be honest, i want him to stay but I don't think you can go from 4th in the league mid march and 1 month later finish outside the top 10.
I think overall he's done a good job in his 3 years with us but you can't finish a season like this and expect to get a new contract. He needs a few wins to show he's the man for the job.
it's no different with the players really. I like Dykes but if he starts the next 5 games and doesn't score any goals are we seriously going to start him as our first choice striker next year given how few goals he's scored since November or would we be starting to look at other options. I hesitate to mention Austin as I don't want to go down that road again but we've seen with him the past means very little if you don't perform you get replaced and at the moment we have a few players in the first team and the manager who need to step up a bit and fight for their future in the next few games.
These next 5 games are massive for us, we won't make the playoffs but all that good will, all those sold out away ends from earlier this season will be a distant memory next season if we fall away finish as we did under McClaren and in Holloways first season. This group of players should have ended the season with a standing ovation from fans, one of the most likable QPR squads for 10 years but as things stand they'll be doing a lap of honour to a half empty stadium in 2 weeks which shows how quickly its fallen apart. | | | |
| Better but still beaten, QPR continue to unravel - Report on 08:19 - Apr 13 with 588 views | TheChef |
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I've very split on it all to be honest, i want him to stay but I don't think you can go from 4th in the league mid march and 1 month later finish outside the top 10.
I think overall he's done a good job in his 3 years with us but you can't finish a season like this and expect to get a new contract. He needs a few wins to show he's the man for the job.
it's no different with the players really. I like Dykes but if he starts the next 5 games and doesn't score any goals are we seriously going to start him as our first choice striker next year given how few goals he's scored since November or would we be starting to look at other options. I hesitate to mention Austin as I don't want to go down that road again but we've seen with him the past means very little if you don't perform you get replaced and at the moment we have a few players in the first team and the manager who need to step up a bit and fight for their future in the next few games.
These next 5 games are massive for us, we won't make the playoffs but all that good will, all those sold out away ends from earlier this season will be a distant memory next season if we fall away finish as we did under McClaren and in Holloways first season. This group of players should have ended the season with a standing ovation from fans, one of the most likable QPR squads for 10 years but as things stand they'll be doing a lap of honour to a half empty stadium in 2 weeks which shows how quickly its fallen apart. |
Well the half empty stadium will largely be no thanks to Sky.
Had the game still been on Saturday at 3pm I'd hope for a decent turnout. |  |
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| Better but still beaten, QPR continue to unravel - Report on 09:56 - Apr 13 with 558 views | francisbowles |
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I think a factor that Hoos/Ferdinand would be more aware of is that Warburton is a very wealthy man and from a financial perspective doesn't need the job . So therefore he is not motivated by anything except a desire to succeed. Having 'failed' this season (the unspoken, but obvious target being the play-offs), doe he still have the hunger to try again? I don't believe there will be any dramatic sacking. Like L Block, I believe whatever decision is made will be mutual. One of the 3 options Hoos put forward is that they will shake hands and take a step back before making a decision. That to me means a measured consultation with the main stake-holders involved, including Warburton. Is he still up for the challenge? If not on a day -to-day basis, could he move 'upstairs' in an advisory capacity and let Eustace have a go?
Remember, whoever gets the job will have Austin and SJ on the books and trying to get value for money out of them in their final season, will be an even bigger ask than this season (unless they do a Junior Hoilett on it). Whoever is in charge has a big task on their hands - what a difference 12 months makes on so many levels. |
SJ has two years left on hi contract.
Before everyone goes all 'why the F*** did we give him three years?, Fulham offered him an extra year on top of the remaining year and we managed to convince him to sign by offering the three year deal that he wanted.
In pre season, I think Austin needs to get his head right, cut out the beer, improve the diet and get fitter. SJ needs to rest and heal that injury(ies) that have made him miss a lot of games and not finish others.
I think we have to release Wallace and maybe Albert as the end of season has proved we cannot have too many older players in the squad | | | |
| Better but still beaten, QPR continue to unravel - Report on 10:01 - Apr 13 with 553 views | daveB |
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Well the half empty stadium will largely be no thanks to Sky.
Had the game still been on Saturday at 3pm I'd hope for a decent turnout. |
That true but do think if we hadn't fallen apart we'd still have a decent crowd on a Friday night and most would then stay and clap them off | | | |
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