| DOF 09:54 - May 2 with 9772 views | Northolt_Rs |
How does he get away with so little criticism? Because he was a great player for us I guess. Tbh I’d rather we kept Warburton at the club and binned Teflon Les. As a DOF he just ain’t worked out. Club is in a terrible position. Again. |  |
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| DOF on 18:33 - May 2 with 2510 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| DOF on 18:28 - May 2 by DejR_vu |
This theory that all the bad appointments prior to MW were as a result of interference from the Board, and the only good one (MW) was down to LF seems to be put forward quite a lot. But, if true, is that not a damning indictment?
If you’re appointed DoF, overseeing football matters, surely you are there for your expertise, otherwise what is the point in being there (interesting question btw)? So what self-respecting professional in any walk of life would then accept their boss (who, by virtue of their appointment accepts he knows less than you) ignoring them and making decisions that they should be making? That, in itself is humiliating, but you’d also be putting your reputation at risk by being judged on someone else’s decisions / errors. Either you do the job you were employed for or, if you are being undermined, you walk away, particularly if you have had a very lucrative career already. |
That's a good point, and one I always wondered about.
But if it was clear from the off that managerial appointments weren't in his sole remit, or that he was merely part of a committee for hiring, then I don't see a problem. We'll never know, I suppose, but I would like to! |  |
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| DOF on 18:42 - May 2 with 2460 views | DejR_vu |
| DOF on 18:19 - May 2 by derbyhoop |
I believe he was under consideration for a senior FA role. |
So, once, in seven years, he was ‘under consideration’ for a non-DoF, role.
Football is rife with rumours, there are websites that exist purely on the back of them. They don’t even bother. |  |
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| DOF on 18:46 - May 2 with 2449 views | DejR_vu |
| DOF on 18:33 - May 2 by BrianMcCarthy |
That's a good point, and one I always wondered about.
But if it was clear from the off that managerial appointments weren't in his sole remit, or that he was merely part of a committee for hiring, then I don't see a problem. We'll never know, I suppose, but I would like to! |
But, even if they weren’t in his sole remit, he must have, as a minimum, endorsed them, otherwise, again, what is the point in hiring someone for their expertise and then continually ignoring them, and why, as that individual, would you accept it? | |
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| DOF on 18:55 - May 2 with 2425 views | T_Block |
Agree with Brian.On Les we need to know his remit.This smells of a pushy owner and I do not mean Tony Fernandez.It is hard for Les; if he disagreed with the decision as you have to toe the party line or in most likely hood he would be out .His job is as cover for the owners,
Still it will take a fantastic managerial appointment to make me renew my season ticket.They were offered a gift-horse in the mouth and blew it.
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| DOF on 19:14 - May 2 with 2378 views | 1JD |
For me, the question should not be whether Ferdinand has done a good job or not.
The real question is whether he is performing in comparison to his DOF peers.
At a 70m wage bill, and too many has-been players, the only way from there was progress. Kudos for keeping us in the division, yes.
But there is no real basis for comparison / evaluation of the DOF performance, since;
1. There was no prior DOF to compare performance against
2. There was such a high wage structure with no youngsters / re-saleable assets that anything beyond that is automatically considered progress
Eze and Freeman profit aside, countered against net 10m+ losses in the JFH years, + further multi-million losses via players walking out the door for nothing (Lumley, BOS, Manning) sees a rather paltry net profit over a not insignificant seven year period.
Is this good, average, or bad performance? We won’t know the answer of course, but we can evaluate against peers to help.
What have Brentford posted as a net profit over 7 years? Luton? Peterborough? That would give a peer-led performance review and a more accurate assessment of Ferdinands role. | | | |
| DOF on 19:15 - May 2 with 2371 views | danehoop |
"I will come back in League 1"
Wow, very odd statement. |  |
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| DOF on 19:29 - May 2 with 2337 views | RangersDave |
| DOF on 18:46 - May 2 by DejR_vu |
But, even if they weren’t in his sole remit, he must have, as a minimum, endorsed them, otherwise, again, what is the point in hiring someone for their expertise and then continually ignoring them, and why, as that individual, would you accept it? |
Ah, but it's "Sir Les" in't it? And long time followers of this board with know..... 'He can do no wrong'! |  |
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| DOF on 19:30 - May 2 with 2334 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| DOF on 18:46 - May 2 by DejR_vu |
But, even if they weren’t in his sole remit, he must have, as a minimum, endorsed them, otherwise, again, what is the point in hiring someone for their expertise and then continually ignoring them, and why, as that individual, would you accept it? |
We're all guessing, my man. But my answer/guess is as above.
I'm happy that he and Hoos were responsible for one and they nailed that one.
I hope they're in charge of this one. | |
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| DOF on 21:24 - May 2 with 2165 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| DOF on 12:26 - May 2 by silverbirch |
Everything is a chance for a moan. There are so many great things about our club and yet your user name is a moan.
You have little idea what Ferdinand does - just like the rest of us. I think it’s probable that he played a key part in appointing MW and after some great progress and a really dreadful few months he played a key part in deciding not to renew the contract. For what it’s worth (nothing), I would probably have renewed but I understand why they haven’t. A really difficult call, made all the harder if they got on well. |
Wegerle was my favourite player; ergo the user name. And yes, I am critical of the owners, but with good cause. Do you think a well-run club screws up the position we were in at the end of January? Of course not.
This excuse about no one knows what Les actually does - it's pretty clear what a DoF should do, otherwise what's the point of having one? As we know, he was appointed despite having no experience and was 'learning' in the role. Is that a sensible way to run a business? | | | |
| DOF on 21:59 - May 2 with 2114 views | DejR_vu |
As ever, it’s not what’s being said that is most interesting, it’s what’s not being said and by whom. | |
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| DOF on 22:24 - May 2 with 2064 views | Hastings_Hoops |
| DOF on 21:24 - May 2 by Wegerles_Stairs |
Wegerle was my favourite player; ergo the user name. And yes, I am critical of the owners, but with good cause. Do you think a well-run club screws up the position we were in at the end of January? Of course not.
This excuse about no one knows what Les actually does - it's pretty clear what a DoF should do, otherwise what's the point of having one? As we know, he was appointed despite having no experience and was 'learning' in the role. Is that a sensible way to run a business? |
A lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth about QPR’s poor final 1/4… I wonder how Blackburn feel - similar capitulation and they only had one major injury as mitigation. |  | | |
| DOF on 22:37 - May 2 with 2023 views | daveB |
| DOF on 21:24 - May 2 by Wegerles_Stairs |
Wegerle was my favourite player; ergo the user name. And yes, I am critical of the owners, but with good cause. Do you think a well-run club screws up the position we were in at the end of January? Of course not.
This excuse about no one knows what Les actually does - it's pretty clear what a DoF should do, otherwise what's the point of having one? As we know, he was appointed despite having no experience and was 'learning' in the role. Is that a sensible way to run a business? |
doesn't everyone learn in the role? we had an experienced manager this season but he has openly said he's learnt a lot this season due to the experiences. Ferdinand will be no different, he's learnt on the job which is not a bad thing.
Overall i think he's done pretty well but has made some mistakes along the way. The club in a better place now imo in terms of recruitment, player development and ethos than it was when he came in. I thought when Warbs came in that if it went wrong Ferdinand would have to go, overall Warbs did pretty well am happy for him to stay but if the next manager goes badly and the good work of the last 3 years is undone then I can't see how he survives that. |  | | |
| DOF on 00:21 - May 3 with 1895 views | Match82 |
I guess it boils down to this: he was appointed in Feb 2015. Are we as a club in a better position to succeed in the short and long term than we were then?
If yes, doesn't that mean he's done a good job? |  | | |
| DOF on 05:47 - May 3 with 1803 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| DOF on 00:21 - May 3 by Match82 |
I guess it boils down to this: he was appointed in Feb 2015. Are we as a club in a better position to succeed in the short and long term than we were then?
If yes, doesn't that mean he's done a good job? |
That’s an interesting question.
Because pretty much every decision out of the boardroom pre-Warbs was rubbish, the Warbs era has succeeded despite working work with the consequences of how bad QPR was run. To what extent SLF bares responsibility is a moot point when the cast of guilty characters is a long one. But yes, we’re better off now than three years back.
However, now the real issue is how solid is the progress made under Warbs? Clearly hoofing the guy presents a huge test and historically the suits have been poor with their managerial appointments and therein lies the nub of it all: despite 20-plus attempts, can they do something not achieved in 30 odd years of trying (Howe/Francis), and successfully make back-to-back managerial appointments?
If they can’t, then the progress made will likely reverse. I just hope we’re not here in a few months ruing another set of poor managerial decisions. |  |
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| DOF on 11:07 - May 3 with 1612 views | francisbowles |
| DOF on 18:27 - May 2 by stainrods_elbow |
Ah yes, Mr 'we're lucky to have him' Hoos. If Evil Les is Teflon-coated, LH is a stone that rolls and rolls and somehow gathers no moss - this despite our endless managerial appointments (how many is it now since he arrived?) having his fingers all over them, presumably counter-signing every incoming transfer, and having the cheek to ask the fans to stump up for, in footballing terms, a piffling sum to honour Stan Bowles on a stand in our (their) ground, all the while presiding (as my question at the last Fans Forum laid out) over the decline of LR while danging the fantasy that one day we'll move to a new all-singing, all-dancing 35k e-stadium in the W12 clouds.
Does this glorified administrator ever get so much as a performance review? Or even look at himself in the mirror? At least Les achieved something meaningful at QPR through his sheer talent and tenacity. [Post edited 2 May 2022 18:30]
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| DOF on 11:37 - May 3 with 1580 views | Northernr |
I think Dave Mc just ensured he won't be exempt from criticism if next season doesn't go well. |  | | |
| DOF on 12:02 - May 3 with 1537 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| DOF on 11:37 - May 3 by Northernr |
I think Dave Mc just ensured he won't be exempt from criticism if next season doesn't go well. |
Ya, he has.
The first few paragraphs of his article are sensationalist and egocentric - "So I understood why my reporting of the fact that these people were actually at each other’s throats, and that a bitter power struggle was taking place, was greeted with incredulity."
Then it meekly settles down into "Seventeen years later and the level of acrimony behind the scenes hasn’t in any way been comparable."
That paper is heading towards clickbait for some time now. Another huge step today. | |
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| DOF on 12:05 - May 3 with 1523 views | Myke |
| DOF on 18:27 - May 2 by stainrods_elbow |
Ah yes, Mr 'we're lucky to have him' Hoos. If Evil Les is Teflon-coated, LH is a stone that rolls and rolls and somehow gathers no moss - this despite our endless managerial appointments (how many is it now since he arrived?) having his fingers all over them, presumably counter-signing every incoming transfer, and having the cheek to ask the fans to stump up for, in footballing terms, a piffling sum to honour Stan Bowles on a stand in our (their) ground, all the while presiding (as my question at the last Fans Forum laid out) over the decline of LR while danging the fantasy that one day we'll move to a new all-singing, all-dancing 35k e-stadium in the W12 clouds.
Does this glorified administrator ever get so much as a performance review? Or even look at himself in the mirror? At least Les achieved something meaningful at QPR through his sheer talent and tenacity. [Post edited 2 May 2022 18:30]
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Certainly I think in terms of Warburton's departure (regardless of whether it is the correct call or not - time will tell), I don't think Hoos covered himself in glory. He clearly stated a few weeks ago that there were three options, depending on where we ended up. Not informing Warburton directly that he was being replaced was NOT one of them. Considering the dogs in the street are cognisant with Warburton's stance on respect (to the point where I think the team has suffered with this rigid view -Kane/Manning) ,Mr Hoos and Mr Ferdinand could both have afforded him a little more in the manner of his departure. Ditto with Barbet | | | |
| DOF on 12:19 - May 3 with 1476 views | francisbowles |
| DOF on 12:02 - May 3 by BrianMcCarthy |
Ya, he has.
The first few paragraphs of his article are sensationalist and egocentric - "So I understood why my reporting of the fact that these people were actually at each other’s throats, and that a bitter power struggle was taking place, was greeted with incredulity."
Then it meekly settles down into "Seventeen years later and the level of acrimony behind the scenes hasn’t in any way been comparable."
That paper is heading towards clickbait for some time now. Another huge step today. |
Doesn't it have to, Brian, in order to survive? | | | |
| DOF on 12:25 - May 3 with 1463 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| DOF on 12:19 - May 3 by francisbowles |
Doesn't it have to, Brian, in order to survive? |
Well I'd click more if the articles were better. | |
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| DOF on 12:28 - May 3 with 1438 views | daveB |
| DOF on 12:02 - May 3 by BrianMcCarthy |
Ya, he has.
The first few paragraphs of his article are sensationalist and egocentric - "So I understood why my reporting of the fact that these people were actually at each other’s throats, and that a bitter power struggle was taking place, was greeted with incredulity."
Then it meekly settles down into "Seventeen years later and the level of acrimony behind the scenes hasn’t in any way been comparable."
That paper is heading towards clickbait for some time now. Another huge step today. |
I think he was just trying to apply context as to when back in 2005 we all thought everything was great behind the scenes and it blew up into a hot mess very quickly there are similarities here but over different issues. | | | |
| DOF on 12:42 - May 3 with 1396 views | Northolt_Rs |
That WLS article by Dave Mc:
https://www.westlondonsport.co
“ For starters, the relationship between Warburton and director of football Les Ferdinand has not been particularly close. It certainly hasn’t been like the one Warburton enjoyed with Uwe Rosler at Brentford when they held the positions of sporting director and manager respectively.
While Warburton’s communication with Ferdinand and the board has been limited, communication with Under-23s boss Paul Hall and his staff has been virtually non-existent.
That’s a problem when the mission is supposed to be the development of youngsters into first-team players and saleable assets.”
Wow. [Post edited 3 May 2022 12:46]
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| DOF on 12:48 - May 3 with 1358 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| DOF on 12:28 - May 3 by daveB |
I think he was just trying to apply context as to when back in 2005 we all thought everything was great behind the scenes and it blew up into a hot mess very quickly there are similarities here but over different issues. |
I think it's sensationalist, Dave, and not helpful. He backs down very quickly but the first few lines of an article matter. | |
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| DOF on 13:07 - May 3 with 1312 views | francisbowles |
| DOF on 12:48 - May 3 by BrianMcCarthy |
I think it's sensationalist, Dave, and not helpful. He backs down very quickly but the first few lines of an article matter. |
Maybe I'm wrong, Brian, but I think he is competing with the click bait sites and has to have attention grabbing tactics. They moved a bit in that direction when they started having a rumours round up. The key difference is that they stated it as such to separate that column from their more factual pieces. | | | |
| DOF on 13:15 - May 3 with 1292 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| DOF on 13:07 - May 3 by francisbowles |
Maybe I'm wrong, Brian, but I think he is competing with the click bait sites and has to have attention grabbing tactics. They moved a bit in that direction when they started having a rumours round up. The key difference is that they stated it as such to separate that column from their more factual pieces. |
I do get that, FB, and I even sympathise.
But that article has caused a lot of damage to our club today, and there isn't a single quote, and there's lots of unsubstantiated opinions presented as fact and a lo broad-brush language that's not helpful. | |
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