| DOF 09:54 - May 2 with 9753 views | Northolt_Rs |
How does he get away with so little criticism? Because he was a great player for us I guess. Tbh I’d rather we kept Warburton at the club and binned Teflon Les. As a DOF he just ain’t worked out. Club is in a terrible position. Again. |  |
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| DOF on 13:38 - May 3 with 2548 views | francisbowles |
| DOF on 13:15 - May 3 by BrianMcCarthy |
I do get that, FB, and I even sympathise.
But that article has caused a lot of damage to our club today, and there isn't a single quote, and there's lots of unsubstantiated opinions presented as fact and a lo broad-brush language that's not helpful. |
I don't really see it as damaging Brian. It presents both sides of the scenario and is pretty fair to them. It doesn't have quotes but I would imagine that is because no one wanted to go on the record. Clive has always stated that he believes Dave Mc has an 'in' at the club, a contact or contacts where he gets snippets of information. I don't know myself but have always trusted Clive's judgement and his view of West London Sport.
It doesn't make me think any worse of the club. They haven't handled everything brilliantly but I believe they have made decisions for what they believe to be valid reasons. For example, how can you offer your manager a new contract when results have gone as they have for three months and how can you offer players new contracts when you don't know if next season's manager will rate them.
It also doesn't make me think any worse of Mark Warburton. I tend to agree with him that none of our fringe younger players are ready, I think they don't have the physical presence to be a success in the Championship.
I hope it will focus the mind on the future working relationship when recruiting the new manager and ensuring it is much closer during his tenure. |  | | |
| DOF on 13:38 - May 3 with 2543 views | BklynRanger |
| DOF on 13:15 - May 3 by BrianMcCarthy |
I do get that, FB, and I even sympathise.
But that article has caused a lot of damage to our club today, and there isn't a single quote, and there's lots of unsubstantiated opinions presented as fact and a lo broad-brush language that's not helpful. |
I wouldn't be convinced it has caused damage to the club, Brian, moreso individuals within the club. I take your point about the sensasionalist [can't seem to spell that word!] opening, but if there are things going on structurally that are not working then they need to be either sorted behind the scenes or forced to be sorted. Dave Mc obviously is doing this for his own professional reasons but if it has that effect then good.
Key people, for all their hard work, are making a decent living out of QPR and I'm quite troubled by a lot of what I've read in there. We should hold MW to account for his actions, and he has been, but equally everyone needs to have a proper look at what's been going on.
This country loves a review following a major fcuk-up, often because it buys a bit of time, but it might not be a bad idea to have a rapid one across the operation right away, rather than dumping it all on Warburton and launching into recruitment before any further questions get asked.
And I say this as someone who is honestly neutral about, for example, Les as a DOF (because I just don't know) though far from neutral in terms of my memories of him as a player. |  | | |
| DOF on 13:42 - May 3 with 2511 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Two fine answers, FB and Bklyn.
Maybe it hasn't caused damage but a lot of the reaction I've read elsewhere has been nasty and hateful. Maybe I shouldn't read it. |  |
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| DOF on 13:46 - May 3 with 2466 views | BklynRanger |
| DOF on 13:42 - May 3 by BrianMcCarthy |
Two fine answers, FB and Bklyn.
Maybe it hasn't caused damage but a lot of the reaction I've read elsewhere has been nasty and hateful. Maybe I shouldn't read it. |
Do completely agree on the reaction problem - I'm sure the twitter is pretty unbearable for example. | | | |
| DOF on 13:49 - May 3 with 2438 views | eastside_r |
| DOF on 12:28 - May 3 by daveB |
I think he was just trying to apply context as to when back in 2005 we all thought everything was great behind the scenes and it blew up into a hot mess very quickly there are similarities here but over different issues. |
The context is that pre-2005 Dave Mc had an ‘in’ at the club. He was not happy when a new regime came in and he lost that inside track. Understandable, of course, but it does seem to colour his views all these years later. |  | | |
| DOF on 14:07 - May 3 with 2361 views | ThGrimRanger |
| DOF on 12:42 - May 3 by Northolt_Rs |
That WLS article by Dave Mc:
https://www.westlondonsport.co
“ For starters, the relationship between Warburton and director of football Les Ferdinand has not been particularly close. It certainly hasn’t been like the one Warburton enjoyed with Uwe Rosler at Brentford when they held the positions of sporting director and manager respectively.
While Warburton’s communication with Ferdinand and the board has been limited, communication with Under-23s boss Paul Hall and his staff has been virtually non-existent.
That’s a problem when the mission is supposed to be the development of youngsters into first-team players and saleable assets.”
Wow. [Post edited 3 May 2022 12:46]
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Stacks up as a good article to me with many cross references that tie in with MW pre and post match interviews since the turn of the year.
The vitriol stirred on this board by anyone with the audacity to question Les's performance as DoF never fails to amaze me. |  |
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| DOF on 14:09 - May 3 with 2349 views | daveB |
| DOF on 13:49 - May 3 by eastside_r |
The context is that pre-2005 Dave Mc had an ‘in’ at the club. He was not happy when a new regime came in and he lost that inside track. Understandable, of course, but it does seem to colour his views all these years later. |
Not sure thats true, he's always had outstanding contacts and been bang on with QPR stories for over 20 years |  | | |
| DOF on 14:12 - May 3 with 2304 views | Benny_the_Ball |
He's a bit like Chandler Bing in Friends; no one understands what he does for a living. The fact that after so many years in the role nobody is able to define exactly what the DOF at QPR does is in itself a crushing indictment.
I've been very vocal since the beginning that Les did not merit the role. Whilst in situ he has done very little to suggest that he has grown into the position and is adding value to the club. It's almost as if he's still running on P plates.
Yes, Les was a fabulous player but it's time to strip that back and assess his performance as DOF on face value. If he's in any way, shape or form responsible for the decline of the past 3 months then he has to go. [Post edited 3 May 2022 14:20]
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| DOF on 14:23 - May 3 with 2281 views | baz_qpr |
n/p [Post edited 3 May 2022 14:25]
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| DOF on 15:17 - May 3 with 2226 views | TheChef |
| DOF on 12:42 - May 3 by Northolt_Rs |
That WLS article by Dave Mc:
https://www.westlondonsport.co
“ For starters, the relationship between Warburton and director of football Les Ferdinand has not been particularly close. It certainly hasn’t been like the one Warburton enjoyed with Uwe Rosler at Brentford when they held the positions of sporting director and manager respectively.
While Warburton’s communication with Ferdinand and the board has been limited, communication with Under-23s boss Paul Hall and his staff has been virtually non-existent.
That’s a problem when the mission is supposed to be the development of youngsters into first-team players and saleable assets.”
Wow. [Post edited 3 May 2022 12:46]
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Re-reading the article this one stuck out:
"While Warburton’s communication with Ferdinand and the board has been limited..."
All depends how you define limited, but I assumed (wrongly?) that managers would meet with the board at least once a week? |  |
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| DOF on 15:25 - May 3 with 2212 views | PinnerPaul |
| DOF on 18:26 - May 2 by Juzzie |
How about the OP uses the search button as this has been done to death. (same could be said for other threads that are repeated ad infintum). |
Blimey this board would lose about 75% of its traffic if we weren't allowed to drone on about our pet subjects all the time - I include myself in that btw! 
Don't forget you can use the ignore thread button, which I tend to do with the political threads that pop up every now and then. | | | |
| DOF on 16:07 - May 3 with 2162 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| DOF on 14:07 - May 3 by ThGrimRanger |
Stacks up as a good article to me with many cross references that tie in with MW pre and post match interviews since the turn of the year.
The vitriol stirred on this board by anyone with the audacity to question Les's performance as DoF never fails to amaze me. |
I hope I'm not included in the vitriol comment, GrimRanger. I hope I haven't been throwing any around.
I think Ferdinand has had a bad week, I've said many times that the handling of Warburton's departure has been very poor, and the accusations about poor contact with players over renewals are also very serious.
I'm just very wary of demonising anyone, I don't think it's a good article, and I'd be very worried about what peron or what system we could afford and/or implement should Ferdinand leave. | |
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| DOF on 16:36 - May 3 with 2098 views | eastside_r |
| DOF on 14:09 - May 3 by daveB |
Not sure thats true, he's always had outstanding contacts and been bang on with QPR stories for over 20 years |
I am not saying the article is without merit but why bring up 2005 now, when the people running the club are completely different to then. I believe what I posted is true and that is the 2005 context.
I might add that whatever his views, he is also a supporter and I agree he has generally been very good writing on QPR over that period. | | | |
| DOF on 17:07 - May 3 with 2011 views | Esox_Lucius |
| DOF on 13:49 - May 3 by eastside_r |
The context is that pre-2005 Dave Mc had an ‘in’ at the club. He was not happy when a new regime came in and he lost that inside track. Understandable, of course, but it does seem to colour his views all these years later. |
Which is exactly what has happened, similar too with Kevin Gallen, has a chip on both shoulders over his brother losing his job with the academy. Both of them with axes to grind with the club and it's all a bit unsavoury IMO. [Post edited 3 May 2022 17:09]
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| DOF on 17:36 - May 3 with 1950 views | ThGrimRanger |
| DOF on 16:07 - May 3 by BrianMcCarthy |
I hope I'm not included in the vitriol comment, GrimRanger. I hope I haven't been throwing any around.
I think Ferdinand has had a bad week, I've said many times that the handling of Warburton's departure has been very poor, and the accusations about poor contact with players over renewals are also very serious.
I'm just very wary of demonising anyone, I don't think it's a good article, and I'd be very worried about what peron or what system we could afford and/or implement should Ferdinand leave. |
no mate - 'vitriol' admittedly a bit strong for this thread. Was more related to previous threads on this subject that got a lot more heated.
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| DOF on 19:27 - May 3 with 1826 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| DOF on 17:36 - May 3 by ThGrimRanger |
no mate - 'vitriol' admittedly a bit strong for this thread. Was more related to previous threads on this subject that got a lot more heated.
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Sound, my man.
Would hate to fall out with anyone over this. We all want the best. | |
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| DOF on 05:51 - May 4 with 1563 views | sevenhoop |
| DOF on 11:21 - May 2 by DejR_vu |
The problem, imo, is that we seem to have a toxic mix of privileged rich boys, handed everything by wealthy families, basically using the club as a toy, and incompetents who have been very lucky, holding key positions in the club. Lee Hoos is the only one who seems to be competent in what he does. Take any of the others, take away the family wealth and good fortune, and chuck them in with the rest of us and they’d be nowhere near owning and running a football club, imo, of course.
I can only assume one of them, at least, must have been extremely fortunate, very early, in appointing someone very good to make the key decisions in the business, judging by the record of appointments here and the failures here and elsewhere. I have an image of that person sitting in an office somewhere, looking at emails, rocking gently backwards and forwards, sobbing, hands on head, with breadsticks stuck up both nostrils. |
Be very careful what you wish for |  | | |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 05:52 - May 4 with 1561 views | sevenhoop |
| DOF on 11:21 - May 2 by DejR_vu |
The problem, imo, is that we seem to have a toxic mix of privileged rich boys, handed everything by wealthy families, basically using the club as a toy, and incompetents who have been very lucky, holding key positions in the club. Lee Hoos is the only one who seems to be competent in what he does. Take any of the others, take away the family wealth and good fortune, and chuck them in with the rest of us and they’d be nowhere near owning and running a football club, imo, of course.
I can only assume one of them, at least, must have been extremely fortunate, very early, in appointing someone very good to make the key decisions in the business, judging by the record of appointments here and the failures here and elsewhere. I have an image of that person sitting in an office somewhere, looking at emails, rocking gently backwards and forwards, sobbing, hands on head, with breadsticks stuck up both nostrils. |
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| DOF on 16:24 - May 7 with 1280 views | Northolt_Rs |
Maybe the wrong man is leaving the club? | |
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| DOF on 16:31 - May 7 with 1240 views | Esox_Lucius |
| DOF on 16:24 - May 7 by Northolt_Rs |
Maybe the wrong man is leaving the club? |
Tony Incenzo? | |
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| DOF on 16:46 - May 7 with 1165 views | DejR_vu |
| DOF on 14:12 - May 3 by Benny_the_Ball |
He's a bit like Chandler Bing in Friends; no one understands what he does for a living. The fact that after so many years in the role nobody is able to define exactly what the DOF at QPR does is in itself a crushing indictment.
I've been very vocal since the beginning that Les did not merit the role. Whilst in situ he has done very little to suggest that he has grown into the position and is adding value to the club. It's almost as if he's still running on P plates.
Yes, Les was a fabulous player but it's time to strip that back and assess his performance as DOF on face value. If he's in any way, shape or form responsible for the decline of the past 3 months then he has to go. [Post edited 3 May 2022 14:20]
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