| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! 08:12 - Oct 30 with 5913 views | numptydumpty |
Ultimately and despite performances and position, it's obviously still an if but if we in and around playffs or better, do we push harder in January transfer Window more than last.
Last season think sanderson and hendricks both flopped spectacularly.
Only other signings were two goalkeepers due to an unbelievable run injuries to every man that stood between the sticks for us so overlooking that.
Appreciate its harder to find talent in January but do we feel this season we need aim bit higher.
Although January is two months away, given the world cup it will be much earlier in our season in terms of games.
Any ideas where we try to strengthen
Generally loans January now.
Think we need another utility full back who can play either flank.
Guessing another out and out striker but God knows where we get one of those from.
Unless injuries don't see much more needed as things are.
I personally feel we will hold onto all our top performers ie if no playoffs at least, we may lose two or three at end of season.
Probably daft me posting thus now but clearly it's in real terms just a month playing time away so sure Beale has his eyes more than likely on promising young talent he may well already be aware of...
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| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 12:44 - Nov 1 with 1593 views | francisbowles |
| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 11:31 - Nov 1 by Welsh_Ranger |
Agreed, Shodipp was given a few opportunities at the start of the season and although he did ok is probably a L1 player. That said most of the fringe players are:- Masterson, Owens, Nikko, Bonne & Thomas.
Thomas is the dissapointing one for me being Welsh, he had a great breakthrough whilst at coventry and then went to LCFC which put him back probably the same with Bowler.
Mick, obviously sees them day in day out and doesn't think they cut the mustard sadly
I guess the step up between the leagues is getting more, the same with the Prem.
Is Owens out on loan at the moment? |
Is at Colchester. Came on for the last 21 mins in the opening fixture. Only been an unused sub once since. |  | | |
| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 13:02 - Nov 1 with 1543 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
Warburton turned down the option of a new striker, nobody complained when Sanderson signed and Hendrick was the experience that Warburton wanted as at Brentford he thought they lacked it when was manager.
I imagine Beale has been given some assurances - fringe players out, no sales of Willock, Chair etc, a couple of signings in. All within FFP. | |
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| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 13:28 - Nov 1 with 1509 views | daveB |
| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 12:14 - Oct 30 by stainrods_elbow |
In the case of Travelman, as we know, he's massively over-contracted (is it 3 years he has left on his deal?), so if we can't get a fee for him, we'll presumably have to pay him a hefty wedge to settle. Shodipo seemed at least to be at the margins of the picture under Beale, but has dropped off the radar since. Bonne's career has clearly stalled at QPR, he's in love with Ipswich, so we should get rid if we can.
As for possible incomers, a midfield enforcer a la Derry would help no end, as would, er, a goalscoring striker. I'm not holding my breath, though, for either. |
He has 2 years left, signed a long term deal along with Kakay and Dieng when none of them had played much, was a gamble, Worked out well with Dieng not so well with the others but none of them were expensive and it was at a time when he was in the Finland squad about to go to the Euros and was about to become out first choice left back so did made sense to tie him down rather than let him run his last year down if he did well |  | | |
| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 13:42 - Nov 1 with 1464 views | ed_83 |
The big question which no-one's mentioned in this thread is Willock's contract. I assume initial conversations are happening behind the scenes about an extension (Beale or someone else implied as much at the fans forum) but if it doesn't look like he's going to sign, and we get a decent offer in January, then that's going to be a massive call for the club. Would we hang onto him and hope we get promoted / convince him to stay, or sell him and reinvest the money? Both would be gambles.
The same's true for Chair, Dickie, Dieng etc but Willock's the key one, both in terms of the fee he'd command and the risk of him leaving for nothing in 18 months. I think whatever business we do in January will depend not just on shifting fringe players and creating a bit of FFP headroom, but what the club predicts is going to happen with our key players over the next 12 months or so. | | | |
| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 13:53 - Nov 1 with 1422 views | sprocket |
Likelihood this team's core will break up if we don't go up/close this season.
Chair, Willock, Dickie, Dieng all likely to want to move or be moved on. Couple this with Laird and Tim going back to their parent clubs it will be a new team for '23/'24 season. | | | |
| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 13:54 - Nov 1 with 1421 views | OakR |
We didn't fall apart last year because Warburton wasn't backed, we fell apart once Willock and Dieng were out, and some others lost their form.
We are better set this season with more cover across midfield and defence.
Cover wise you'd assume we'd want a left back and a striker if budget allowed, and we could find someone.
Safe to assume we will be linked with Archer at Villa again as he has hardly played for them and Tim is getting the minutes here.
The great thing now is whoever is in charge of recruitment, we get so many right compared to not that long ago. | |
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| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 14:50 - Nov 1 with 1391 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 08:54 - Oct 30 by nadera78 |
Warburton was given everything he wanted, so your starting point is complete BS. |
This. |  | | |
| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 15:20 - Nov 1 with 1349 views | BAWHoops |
They had a deal in place for Tom Lawrence. Everything was agreed, but Derby's administrators pulled it last minute.
The problem was never the strikers last season as Gray ended it with something of a wet sail |  |
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| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 17:13 - Nov 1 with 1268 views | robith |
The accounts are the accounts. Under no circumstances should we take a punt on our long term future (which points deductions and transfer embargoes would greatly jeopardise) based on where we are in January.
Our first choice XI is pretty tidy and is 3rd in the table. Any additions I would like to see as depth rather than parachuted in |  | | |
| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 18:02 - Nov 1 with 1233 views | WestonsuperR |
| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 13:42 - Nov 1 by ed_83 |
The big question which no-one's mentioned in this thread is Willock's contract. I assume initial conversations are happening behind the scenes about an extension (Beale or someone else implied as much at the fans forum) but if it doesn't look like he's going to sign, and we get a decent offer in January, then that's going to be a massive call for the club. Would we hang onto him and hope we get promoted / convince him to stay, or sell him and reinvest the money? Both would be gambles.
The same's true for Chair, Dickie, Dieng etc but Willock's the key one, both in terms of the fee he'd command and the risk of him leaving for nothing in 18 months. I think whatever business we do in January will depend not just on shifting fringe players and creating a bit of FFP headroom, but what the club predicts is going to happen with our key players over the next 12 months or so. |
As much as the popular answer amongst the fanbase would be to keep him at all costs, if a serious offer comes in he will be off, can’t afford to lose him on a free or nearly (as per Austin to Southampton). I wonder if a really good bid will be made though considering his regular injuries. [Post edited 2 Nov 2022 8:41]
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| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 18:34 - Nov 1 with 1178 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 13:42 - Nov 1 by ed_83 |
The big question which no-one's mentioned in this thread is Willock's contract. I assume initial conversations are happening behind the scenes about an extension (Beale or someone else implied as much at the fans forum) but if it doesn't look like he's going to sign, and we get a decent offer in January, then that's going to be a massive call for the club. Would we hang onto him and hope we get promoted / convince him to stay, or sell him and reinvest the money? Both would be gambles.
The same's true for Chair, Dickie, Dieng etc but Willock's the key one, both in terms of the fee he'd command and the risk of him leaving for nothing in 18 months. I think whatever business we do in January will depend not just on shifting fringe players and creating a bit of FFP headroom, but what the club predicts is going to happen with our key players over the next 12 months or so. |
I think the issue with Willock is that he appears to have a hamstring made of a worn out elastic band. In January it is only really teams either in a relegation fight or pushing for promotion which tend to splash the cash. I can't see a team in a relegation battle risking buying Willock if they're not sure he will last the rest of the season.
Chair on the other hand has proven fitness levels so someone might be interested. All speculation anyway, and for what it's worth I don't think any 1st steamers will be sold. | |
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| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 08:20 - Nov 2 with 1026 views | nix |
| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 17:13 - Nov 1 by robith |
The accounts are the accounts. Under no circumstances should we take a punt on our long term future (which points deductions and transfer embargoes would greatly jeopardise) based on where we are in January.
Our first choice XI is pretty tidy and is 3rd in the table. Any additions I would like to see as depth rather than parachuted in |
Is the correct answer.
Our board, recent managers, and the recruitment team, have done an amazing job putting together this squad if we manage to keep under FFP. Absolutely not worth risking all the hard work. |  | | |
| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 08:44 - Nov 2 with 1003 views | numptydumpty |
| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 08:20 - Nov 2 by nix |
Is the correct answer.
Our board, recent managers, and the recruitment team, have done an amazing job putting together this squad if we manage to keep under FFP. Absolutely not worth risking all the hard work. |
Never suggested wholesale changes.
Felt we needed another full back / wing back that can cover both sides but predominately the left and if possible a striker. Am aware both would be tricky.
But with selling or loaning out four or five, ie Masterson, Thomas, Shodipo, Bonne. We could get some money towards strengthing, where we need.
When I said Warburton wasn't, the money limit available for a striker meant this was not possible. He did get everything else he needed but admittedly the loss if Dieng and Willock derailed the season.
We are punching most definitely and am personally very happy, but if it was possible to take that step higher , ie with slightly more funds ie if we failed to get promotion, we are going lose our best players for decent money anyhow so would balance the books I would imagine...
Anyhow all good | |
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| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 08:54 - Nov 2 with 991 views | nix |
| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 08:44 - Nov 2 by numptydumpty |
Never suggested wholesale changes.
Felt we needed another full back / wing back that can cover both sides but predominately the left and if possible a striker. Am aware both would be tricky.
But with selling or loaning out four or five, ie Masterson, Thomas, Shodipo, Bonne. We could get some money towards strengthing, where we need.
When I said Warburton wasn't, the money limit available for a striker meant this was not possible. He did get everything else he needed but admittedly the loss if Dieng and Willock derailed the season.
We are punching most definitely and am personally very happy, but if it was possible to take that step higher , ie with slightly more funds ie if we failed to get promotion, we are going lose our best players for decent money anyhow so would balance the books I would imagine...
Anyhow all good |
The reason those players aren't sold/loaned out at the moment is because no one is taking them. I don't think we'll get much if anything in transfer fees/paying their wages, which is why they're still here.
I don't think we can get anyone else in without selling our more marketable players, unless they're very cheap, which means someone who's not the finished article, like Armstrong, who won't be straight in the team. For us, it's a longer term project. The gamble they're taking this season is not doing a supermarket sweep, it's keeping our best players with the risk they'll go for peanuts at the end of the season if we don't go up. | | | |
| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 09:02 - Nov 2 with 983 views | francisbowles |
| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 08:54 - Nov 2 by nix |
The reason those players aren't sold/loaned out at the moment is because no one is taking them. I don't think we'll get much if anything in transfer fees/paying their wages, which is why they're still here.
I don't think we can get anyone else in without selling our more marketable players, unless they're very cheap, which means someone who's not the finished article, like Armstrong, who won't be straight in the team. For us, it's a longer term project. The gamble they're taking this season is not doing a supermarket sweep, it's keeping our best players with the risk they'll go for peanuts at the end of the season if we don't go up. |
Absolutely, Nix. It won't be easy to get our fringe players off the wage bill. | | | |
| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 13:52 - Nov 2 with 877 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
Hopefully we make a statement tonight. The last two away matches we've been sluggish and bullied from the start. Their form isn't great, so let's play on the front foot and take it to them. | | | |
| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 14:14 - Nov 2 with 859 views | DavieQPR |
| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 09:20 - Oct 30 by BrianMcCarthy |
We're 9/2 to get promoted, which sounds about right.
Whatever else, we can't risk an FFP fine and penalty over a Jaunary trolley dash. I'd be amazed if we have much FFP room left - Balogun alone must have cost a million+ in wages and fees. |
Balogun, a player who nobody but Wigan were interested in signing, would not be costing anywhere near £1m+. |  | | |
| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 15:18 - Nov 2 with 795 views | Hunterhoop |
The premise of this thread is bonkers.
Warburton was backed last summer and in January in exchange for a top 6 objective that he failed to deliver on. He chose to keep Gray in Jan over bringing in Nakhi Wells. And chose Hendricks over Dwight Gayle on loan from Newcastle. But were against what others in the club felt was the right choice but they let him have his way. It then all went south (and started doing so well before Willock got injured).
The club massively overspent last season (as will be revealed in the accounts) and have a smaller budget this year for Beale as a result owing to the 3 year FFP rolling loss cap.
Expect little in Jan.
Let’s do it the old fashioned way, with the same squad that put us in contention (well, hopefully will have us in contention by the end of Jan). |  | | |
| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 15:43 - Nov 2 with 778 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 14:14 - Nov 2 by DavieQPR |
Balogun, a player who nobody but Wigan were interested in signing, would not be costing anywhere near £1m+. |
Maybe not.
Add wages, bonuses and the signing-on fee together and I thought he might be.
I'm just guessing, of course. |  |
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