| Chelsea’s woman team manager Emma Hayes 23:28 - Jan 24 with 12440 views | loftboy |
Complaining that kingsmeadow doesn’t have undersoil heating and the women should have the same facilities as the men due to the WSL being on the same level as the PL.
Controversial but unless it generates the same amount of interest and cash then it isn’t.
The crowds although greatly improving the ticket prices are a lot less and I’m sure many are subsidised from the parent club there is no way is it even comparable to the national league at this moment in time. |  |
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| Chelsea’s woman team manager Emma Hayes on 16:01 - Jan 25 with 1585 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Chelsea’s woman team manager Emma Hayes on 15:57 - Jan 25 by WokingR |
No, and to continue your analogy, I would have chosen not to have a second child if I couldn't afford to feed it properly. |
But Rangers' owners can afford it. We know they can.
Good answer, though. Made me chuckle. |  |
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| Chelsea’s woman team manager Emma Hayes on 16:02 - Jan 25 with 1575 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Anyway, folks. Chat later.
Have to shoot for a while. | |
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| Chelsea’s woman team manager Emma Hayes on 16:14 - Jan 25 with 1534 views | MrSheen |
Back to the original subject, some Scottish clubs are not turning their heating on as the net cost of postponement (lower attendance at the rescheduled fixture) is less than the fuel cost of heating the pitch. As this appears to be about £10-15,000 a match, and Chelsea Women would gross about £30-40,000 in ticket sales from a sold out game, I imagine a similar calculation applying without a big penalty from the broadcaster for a postponement.
The only estimate I could find for the cost of a new installation was about £500k from ten years ago, so at least £750k for a system that lasts about 15 years based on what Carlisle are saying about their knackered old kit. A lot of money for something you use at best about four times a year, as it won’t save a game if there is snow around a stadium. |  | | |
| Chelsea’s woman team manager Emma Hayes on 16:27 - Jan 25 with 1490 views | daveB |
I think she has a point really, the womens game is now being marketed as equal to the mens, exciting just as good etc, not sure I agree with that but that's how they sell it as being on equal terms with the men so for the facilities to be so shit is not a great look. Ian Wright spoke quite well about it that they are trying to run before they can walk and the infrastructure of the womens game is nowhere near good enough |  | | |
| Chelsea’s woman team manager Emma Hayes on 16:48 - Jan 25 with 1455 views | PinnerPaul |
| Chelsea’s woman team manager Emma Hayes on 15:36 - Jan 25 by BrianMcCarthy |
"but "correctly" doesn't mean the same as the mens."
I think it does. |
Serious question - why?
In professional sport the amount paid is always directly due to the income generated by that sport.
For example, that's why jockeys in horseracing only receive £100 per ride and a pretty paltry share of pretty paltry prize money despite "deserving" a lot more than say a PL reserve? |  | | |
| Chelsea’s woman team manager Emma Hayes on 16:49 - Jan 25 with 1444 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
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| Chelsea’s woman team manager Emma Hayes on 16:50 - Jan 25 with 1440 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
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| Chelsea’s woman team manager Emma Hayes on 16:50 - Jan 25 with 1437 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
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| Chelsea’s woman team manager Emma Hayes on 16:50 - Jan 25 with 1438 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Chelsea’s woman team manager Emma Hayes on 13:56 - Jan 25 by BrianMcCarthy |
Yes. |
Sorry B but whilst well-meaning that's incredibly naïve and unworkable. Where on earth would you find the money to pay female players the same as men? QPR would go bust overnight.
I'm an advocate for facts over feelings. The fact remains that in the men's game the players earn incredible sums simply because of broadcaster investment. Prior to BSkyB, male players earned a fraction of what they do today. I think it was Joey Barton who said that his salary jumped from 5k to 50k a week overnight.
Whilst I have big respect for the women's game, it's still in the development phase and doesn't command anywhere near the same attention or investment as the men's. As their journey progresses and the product improves, its popularity will grow and it will attract more investment. At that point, pay them more, not before.
That all being said, IMHO Chelsea women should be playing on heated pitches (but not for the reasons which Emma Hayes alluded to). [Post edited 25 Jan 2023 17:08]
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| Chelsea’s woman team manager Emma Hayes on 16:55 - Jan 25 with 1429 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Chelsea’s woman team manager Emma Hayes on 15:38 - Jan 25 by BrianMcCarthy |
Why would it?
It's not part of the Men's FFP calculations, and our owners can afford to allow the women to use Loftus Road for their games and to pay them correctly. |
That I agree with, B. Let them play at Loftus Road and pay them correctly. However, paying correctly doesn't equal parity with the men's team. Not until the women's game starts generating the same income. [Post edited 25 Jan 2023 17:07]
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| Chelsea’s woman team manager Emma Hayes on 16:57 - Jan 25 with 1424 views | qpr_1968 |
| Chelsea’s woman team manager Emma Hayes on 16:50 - Jan 25 by Benny_the_Ball |
Sorry B but whilst well-meaning that's incredibly naïve and unworkable. Where on earth would you find the money to pay female players the same as men? QPR would go bust overnight.
I'm an advocate for facts over feelings. The fact remains that in the men's game the players earn incredible sums simply because of broadcaster investment. Prior to BSkyB, male players earned a fraction of what they do today. I think it was Joey Barton who said that his salary jumped from 5k to 50k a week overnight.
Whilst I have big respect for the women's game, it's still in the development phase and doesn't command anywhere near the same attention or investment as the men's. As their journey progresses and the product improves, its popularity will grow and it will attract more investment. At that point, pay them more, not before.
That all being said, IMHO Chelsea women should be playing on heated pitches (but not for the reasons which Emma Hayes alluded to). [Post edited 25 Jan 2023 17:08]
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| Chelsea’s woman team manager Emma Hayes on 17:05 - Jan 25 with 1412 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Chelsea’s woman team manager Emma Hayes on 16:27 - Jan 25 by daveB |
I think she has a point really, the womens game is now being marketed as equal to the mens, exciting just as good etc, not sure I agree with that but that's how they sell it as being on equal terms with the men so for the facilities to be so shit is not a great look. Ian Wright spoke quite well about it that they are trying to run before they can walk and the infrastructure of the womens game is nowhere near good enough |
Marketing is used to cajole folk into parting with their money by selling you an illusion. The PL is nowhere near as good as Sky makes out (and therefore doesn't get my money) but it's currently streets ahead of the WSL. | | | |
| Chelsea’s woman team manager Emma Hayes on 18:28 - Jan 25 with 1294 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Chelsea’s woman team manager Emma Hayes on 16:48 - Jan 25 by PinnerPaul |
Serious question - why?
In professional sport the amount paid is always directly due to the income generated by that sport.
For example, that's why jockeys in horseracing only receive £100 per ride and a pretty paltry share of pretty paltry prize money despite "deserving" a lot more than say a PL reserve? |
Because they're doing the same job. The better women will be paid more and the better men will be paid more but the better women and the better men should be paid the same as they do the same job. | |
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| Chelsea’s woman team manager Emma Hayes on 18:31 - Jan 25 with 1272 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Chelsea’s woman team manager Emma Hayes on 16:50 - Jan 25 by Benny_the_Ball |
Sorry B but whilst well-meaning that's incredibly naïve and unworkable. Where on earth would you find the money to pay female players the same as men? QPR would go bust overnight.
I'm an advocate for facts over feelings. The fact remains that in the men's game the players earn incredible sums simply because of broadcaster investment. Prior to BSkyB, male players earned a fraction of what they do today. I think it was Joey Barton who said that his salary jumped from 5k to 50k a week overnight.
Whilst I have big respect for the women's game, it's still in the development phase and doesn't command anywhere near the same attention or investment as the men's. As their journey progresses and the product improves, its popularity will grow and it will attract more investment. At that point, pay them more, not before.
That all being said, IMHO Chelsea women should be playing on heated pitches (but not for the reasons which Emma Hayes alluded to). [Post edited 25 Jan 2023 17:08]
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"QPR would go bust overnight."
No, we wouldn't. Our owners are incredibly wealthy. In our case we're talking about paying maybe twenty more athletes?
Also, if legislation were to be brought in (it shouldn't be needed, mind you, as plenty exists - at least in Europe) ther should be a window. It wouldn't be overnight, in reality. | |
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| Chelsea’s woman team manager Emma Hayes on 18:43 - Jan 25 with 1223 views | distortR |
| Chelsea’s woman team manager Emma Hayes on 18:31 - Jan 25 by BrianMcCarthy |
"QPR would go bust overnight."
No, we wouldn't. Our owners are incredibly wealthy. In our case we're talking about paying maybe twenty more athletes?
Also, if legislation were to be brought in (it shouldn't be needed, mind you, as plenty exists - at least in Europe) ther should be a window. It wouldn't be overnight, in reality. |
I'd rather we paid those under-performing tvvats in the men's team the same as we pay the women's teams. | | | |
| Chelsea’s woman team manager Emma Hayes on 19:43 - Jan 25 with 1128 views | WokingR |
| Chelsea’s woman team manager Emma Hayes on 18:31 - Jan 25 by BrianMcCarthy |
"QPR would go bust overnight."
No, we wouldn't. Our owners are incredibly wealthy. In our case we're talking about paying maybe twenty more athletes?
Also, if legislation were to be brought in (it shouldn't be needed, mind you, as plenty exists - at least in Europe) ther should be a window. It wouldn't be overnight, in reality. |
Trouble is, what is the going rate ?
There isn’t an hourly rate and probably not 2 players in the men’s team on the same contract so you essentially get market rate. |  | | |
| Chelsea’s woman team manager Emma Hayes on 19:43 - Jan 25 with 1128 views | MrSheen |
On Brian’s argument for equal pay for male and female players, I can see an argument in international football, where the men in the team are paid the same, setting a de facto standard for representing the sport in your country. But men aren’t paid the same at their clubs, so how do you map it across, at a one to one or a squad average?
What’s more, you’re then distorting the women’s competition by tying them to the squad budgets of the men’s. So, regardless of their performance, Reading would have a budget disadvantage to Chelsea that reflected the men’s (they would hardly generate more), cementing arbitrary inequality in the league in the name of equality across a single club. If Villa’s men go down, would their women experience the same player budget cuts? And consider a club like Glasgow City - I don’t know anything about them, but perhaps they were formed by players wanting nothing to do with the sectarianism of the Old Firm. In Brian world, without a male benchmark to lift them up, how could they compete for playing talent in their city on gate money and TV alone? [Post edited 25 Jan 2023 19:53]
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| Chelsea’s woman team manager Emma Hayes on 20:01 - Jan 25 with 1102 views | HuckerMOTM |
| Chelsea’s woman team manager Emma Hayes on 18:31 - Jan 25 by BrianMcCarthy |
"QPR would go bust overnight."
No, we wouldn't. Our owners are incredibly wealthy. In our case we're talking about paying maybe twenty more athletes?
Also, if legislation were to be brought in (it shouldn't be needed, mind you, as plenty exists - at least in Europe) ther should be a window. It wouldn't be overnight, in reality. |
Yeah, you're right, let's give the women's team - average crowd 15 - pay rises of 10k each just so we can brag how equal opportunities we are as a club....
No, I'm being sarcastic.
We're making a £1m loss a month and you want to add to that because it would make you feel good....
Maybe instead of spending every match day on here giving hundreds of updates from an armchair in Ireland you should get yourself down to the library and borrow a book on economics... | | | |
| Chelsea’s woman team manager Emma Hayes on 20:14 - Jan 25 with 1073 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Chelsea’s woman team manager Emma Hayes on 20:01 - Jan 25 by HuckerMOTM |
Yeah, you're right, let's give the women's team - average crowd 15 - pay rises of 10k each just so we can brag how equal opportunities we are as a club....
No, I'm being sarcastic.
We're making a £1m loss a month and you want to add to that because it would make you feel good....
Maybe instead of spending every match day on here giving hundreds of updates from an armchair in Ireland you should get yourself down to the library and borrow a book on economics... |
Well, now...
I don't "want to add to add to it because it would make me feel good", I just think it would be correct. I don't expect Rangers to do it either, and I don't expect football as a whole to do it, same as I donlt expect everyone to agree with me. It's just a point of view, Hucker.
And I studied Economics, but that's neither here nor there because this isn't an economical argument, it's an ethical one.
And I've done my stint at Rangers, by the way. I've been to many, many hundreds of games both during my two stints living in England and on my many trips back. This board helps me stay in touch with my club. I'm sorry if the match updates bother you. I can easily stop, it's rarely fun for me. | |
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| Chelsea’s woman team manager Emma Hayes on 20:16 - Jan 25 with 1062 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Chelsea’s woman team manager Emma Hayes on 19:43 - Jan 25 by WokingR |
Trouble is, what is the going rate ?
There isn’t an hourly rate and probably not 2 players in the men’s team on the same contract so you essentially get market rate. |
Good points Woking and Sheener, but at least when the authorities are examining such minutae then they're at least having the right discussion. | |
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| Chelsea’s woman team manager Emma Hayes on 20:17 - Jan 25 with 1047 views | Rangersw12 |
| Chelsea’s woman team manager Emma Hayes on 14:19 - Jan 25 by loftboy |
Brian was on about our team, no way could we fund our ladies team the same as the men’s. |
Our owners have loads of money so they could easily afford to make our women's team competitive if they wanted to | | | |
| Chelsea’s woman team manager Emma Hayes on 20:19 - Jan 25 with 1036 views | DavieQPR |
Ticket prices at Chelsea ladies. Adult £9 Junior and Senior £1.With a lot of tickets given away to family and friends. They shouldn't really be able to own a ground like Kingsmeadow which cost £3-4m to buy. |  | | |
| Chelsea’s woman team manager Emma Hayes on 20:27 - Jan 25 with 1003 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
Lads, arguments about standards and revenue aside, why does the prospect make some of you so angry? [Post edited 25 Jan 2023 20:32]
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| Chelsea’s woman team manager Emma Hayes on 20:29 - Jan 25 with 1001 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Chelsea’s woman team manager Emma Hayes on 20:17 - Jan 25 by Rangersw12 |
Our owners have loads of money so they could easily afford to make our women's team competitive if they wanted to |
No FFP in women’s football either I assume! | | | |
| Chelsea’s woman team manager Emma Hayes on 20:32 - Jan 25 with 995 views | Rangersw12 |
| Chelsea’s woman team manager Emma Hayes on 20:29 - Jan 25 by BazzaInTheLoft |
No FFP in women’s football either I assume! |
We could be the equivalent of Man City in the women's game at a fraction of the cost!
On a serious note I don't why we have a women's team if we're not going to support it financially I read that the players even have to pay for their own transport and kit etc
Disgraceful if true [Post edited 25 Jan 2023 20:33]
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