| More stupidity 12:48 - Apr 20 with 10309 views | stowmarketrange |
I’ve just seen on tv that a report in todays Guardian says that both Manchester clubs should remove the ships from their badges because of the links to the slave trade.
Sorry Clive for starting another 20 page thread,but what a load of old bollox.Where will it all end? |  | | |  |
| More stupidity on 16:24 - Apr 20 with 2356 views | connell10 |
| More stupidity on 16:20 - Apr 20 by connell10 |
And I don't give a flying fu ck mate . |
Also I don't read the Daily Mail , hate Jeremy Clarkson and my politics are left of centre.....funny old world ain't it  |  |
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| More stupidity on 16:25 - Apr 20 with 2350 views | DannyPaddox |
They’ve been proven to be more accurate. People south of the border often nip across to Gretna for a double-digit prostate examination. |  | | |
| More stupidity on 16:28 - Apr 20 with 2340 views | connell10 |
| More stupidity on 16:25 - Apr 20 by DannyPaddox |
They’ve been proven to be more accurate. People south of the border often nip across to Gretna for a double-digit prostate examination. |
A fisting?  | |
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| More stupidity on 16:36 - Apr 20 with 2289 views | Antti_Heinola |
| More stupidity on 16:20 - Apr 20 by connell10 |
And I don't give a flying fu ck mate . |
About what?
Sorry, I genuinely thought you were messing about there! Apols. |  |
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| More stupidity on 16:54 - Apr 20 with 2215 views | ngbqpr |
In terms of the OP's question, 'when will it end?' Well what would help is a TV show not sensationalising (and at the same time in effect trivialising) one small part of what is actually a very well researched and thought-provoking article.
I don't for a second believe whatever show it was has a hidden agenda....more that most media platforms these days survive / thrive on stirring like this under the guise of 'stimulating debate' - something the article attempted to do before it was hijacked. |  |
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| More stupidity on 17:00 - Apr 20 with 2199 views | connell10 |
| More stupidity on 16:36 - Apr 20 by Antti_Heinola |
About what?
Sorry, I genuinely thought you were messing about there! Apols. |
No I honestly think he is a shite comedian.....honest mate !!  | |
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| More stupidity on 17:11 - Apr 20 with 2166 views | johann28 |
Actually, it's a most interesting and nuanced article - and only one fan's opinion (who admits that there's zero chance of the ships being removed). It's the (predictable) howls of protest against it in the media that seem a bit over the top to me. |  | | |
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| More stupidity on 17:17 - Apr 20 with 2157 views | stowmarketrange |
| More stupidity on 16:54 - Apr 20 by ngbqpr |
In terms of the OP's question, 'when will it end?' Well what would help is a TV show not sensationalising (and at the same time in effect trivialising) one small part of what is actually a very well researched and thought-provoking article.
I don't for a second believe whatever show it was has a hidden agenda....more that most media platforms these days survive / thrive on stirring like this under the guise of 'stimulating debate' - something the article attempted to do before it was hijacked. |
It was on politics live on bbc2 today. | | | |
| More stupidity on 17:35 - Apr 20 with 2132 views | ngbqpr |
| More stupidity on 17:17 - Apr 20 by stowmarketrange |
It was on politics live on bbc2 today. |
That's why it's especially sad Stow - even the so-called serious debate shows dumbing down. | |
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| More stupidity on 17:46 - Apr 20 with 2089 views | stowmarketrange |
| More stupidity on 17:35 - Apr 20 by ngbqpr |
That's why it's especially sad Stow - even the so-called serious debate shows dumbing down. |
They run out of things to talk about on there.It’s just the Tory and Labour guests shouting each other down for most of the 45 mins. | | | |
| More stupidity on 20:55 - Apr 20 with 1919 views | kropotkin41 |
I like Stewart Lee, been to see him a couple of times in fact. Goes to show nothing about me, or indeed about anyone being needlessly dismissive, just proves that people like different sorts of comedy.
My half brother is a fairly famous comedian - different surname in case anyone knows mine - and I don't find him funny at all. Annoying, smart-arsery isn't my thing. |  |
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| More stupidity on 00:18 - Apr 21 with 1811 views | Sharpy36 |
A left wing journo, spouting left wing bollox in a left wing rag... |  |
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| More stupidity on 07:02 - Apr 21 with 1708 views | kropotkin41 |
| More stupidity on 00:18 - Apr 21 by Sharpy36 |
A left wing journo, spouting left wing bollox in a left wing rag... |
The Guardian, I feel obliged to tell you, isn't left wing. There's a lot of things I know very little about, but this I know about. The people telling you that The Guardian is left wing are lying to you. Now as to the reasons why we are encouraged to regard this paper as left wing, there by hangs an interesting tale. It is a rag.... left wing? Nope. | |
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| More stupidity on 12:34 - Apr 21 with 1591 views | Sharpy36 |
| More stupidity on 07:02 - Apr 21 by kropotkin41 |
The Guardian, I feel obliged to tell you, isn't left wing. There's a lot of things I know very little about, but this I know about. The people telling you that The Guardian is left wing are lying to you. Now as to the reasons why we are encouraged to regard this paper as left wing, there by hangs an interesting tale. It is a rag.... left wing? Nope. |
Others opinion would seem to differ.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/po [Post edited 21 Apr 2023 12:35]
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| More stupidity on 12:55 - Apr 21 with 1566 views | Antti_Heinola |
| More stupidity on 07:02 - Apr 21 by kropotkin41 |
The Guardian, I feel obliged to tell you, isn't left wing. There's a lot of things I know very little about, but this I know about. The people telling you that The Guardian is left wing are lying to you. Now as to the reasons why we are encouraged to regard this paper as left wing, there by hangs an interesting tale. It is a rag.... left wing? Nope. |
only in the sense all papers are rags and all journos are hacks.
The investigative journalism done by that paper is often excellent - and should be recognised as such. Opinion pieces... some good, some bad, some horrible, like everywhere. | |
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| More stupidity on 12:59 - Apr 21 with 1561 views | Bluce_Ree |
| More stupidity on 12:52 - Apr 20 by bosh67 |
I think Man Utd should remove the devil logo because the devil didn't give permission to use his image rights. |
They do suck his satanic cock though. So he's probably okay with them. |  |
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| More stupidity on 13:22 - Apr 21 with 1510 views | hubble |
| More stupidity on 12:55 - Apr 21 by Antti_Heinola |
only in the sense all papers are rags and all journos are hacks.
The investigative journalism done by that paper is often excellent - and should be recognised as such. Opinion pieces... some good, some bad, some horrible, like everywhere. |
The investigative journalism done by the Guardian used to be excellent, Antii.
The last time that happened (IMO) was the massive can of worms that Ed Snowden opened on the illegal activities of US Homeland security and their ilk, which included downloading pretty much everyones' emails and listening to and recording millions of peoples' phone conversations, including prominent European politicians. MI5 were extremely displeased that the then editor, Alan Rusbridger, had the temerity to run this massive expose against their... errrm... wishes. Ever since then, and especially under the stewardship of Catherine Viner, the Guardian has been co-opted as a propaganda purveyor for various state interests, when it suits them. In fact I'd go so far as to say the Guardian is now effectively more of a suppressor/denier of revelations about the shenanigans of state/govt. agencies than a revealer of their nefarious actions.
Media Lens did an amazing piece of investigative journalism on this themselves, which if I can find, I will link to, because it's pretty mindblowing vis the relationship of the so-called free press and state agencies. |  |
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| More stupidity on 14:05 - Apr 21 with 1441 views | R_from_afar |
Pah, their "problems" pale into insignificance compared with the grave threat this development poses to this legendary player and his club
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| More stupidity on 14:29 - Apr 21 with 1426 views | NW5Hoop |
| More stupidity on 13:22 - Apr 21 by hubble |
The investigative journalism done by the Guardian used to be excellent, Antii.
The last time that happened (IMO) was the massive can of worms that Ed Snowden opened on the illegal activities of US Homeland security and their ilk, which included downloading pretty much everyones' emails and listening to and recording millions of peoples' phone conversations, including prominent European politicians. MI5 were extremely displeased that the then editor, Alan Rusbridger, had the temerity to run this massive expose against their... errrm... wishes. Ever since then, and especially under the stewardship of Catherine Viner, the Guardian has been co-opted as a propaganda purveyor for various state interests, when it suits them. In fact I'd go so far as to say the Guardian is now effectively more of a suppressor/denier of revelations about the shenanigans of state/govt. agencies than a revealer of their nefarious actions.
Media Lens did an amazing piece of investigative journalism on this themselves, which if I can find, I will link to, because it's pretty mindblowing vis the relationship of the so-called free press and state agencies. |
Sorry, but as a former employee and still a contributor to the Guardian, that's rubbish. There have been tons of big investigations since Snowden — the Windrush story, the Panama Papers, the big number into US killings by police. If you really think the Guardian has been co-opted by state power, you're not looking at the paper. But you know, you read something in Medialens, the home of the cranks, so I'm sure you're right. |  | | |
| More stupidity on 14:53 - Apr 21 with 1365 views | Metallica_Hoop |
| More stupidity on 14:29 - Apr 21 by NW5Hoop |
Sorry, but as a former employee and still a contributor to the Guardian, that's rubbish. There have been tons of big investigations since Snowden — the Windrush story, the Panama Papers, the big number into US killings by police. If you really think the Guardian has been co-opted by state power, you're not looking at the paper. But you know, you read something in Medialens, the home of the cranks, so I'm sure you're right. |
Changing the subject slightly.
I finished 'Denim and Leather' the other week and loved it. I laughed out loud many times and the Venom in America stories actually made me cry laughing as I was picturing the chaos.
I couldn't find the thread for it I hope it was your one! |  |
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| More stupidity on 15:16 - Apr 21 with 1335 views | Sonofpugwash |
| More stupidity on 13:52 - Apr 20 by DannyPaddox |
Would be an almighty uproar if it happened but there’s talk of removing the dildos from the West Ham badge. |
Gives a whole new spin on kissing the badge? |  |
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| More stupidity on 15:45 - Apr 21 with 1319 views | hubble |
| More stupidity on 14:29 - Apr 21 by NW5Hoop |
Sorry, but as a former employee and still a contributor to the Guardian, that's rubbish. There have been tons of big investigations since Snowden — the Windrush story, the Panama Papers, the big number into US killings by police. If you really think the Guardian has been co-opted by state power, you're not looking at the paper. But you know, you read something in Medialens, the home of the cranks, so I'm sure you're right. |
It's rubbish, is it? I'd say as a former employee and current contributor perhaps you're unlikely to hold an unbiased, objective view. Your immediate dismissal of Media Lens as 'the home of cranks' is telling in itself.
However, I have unearthed the article I was referring to. It's not actually from Media Lens (I misremembered that). It's written by investigative journalists Matt Kennard and Mark Curtis. Before you dismiss it out of hand, in the same way you've dismissed Media Lens, I invite you to read the article - without prejudice - and refute it. You may even find it edifying.
https://www.dailymaverick.co.z | |
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| More stupidity on 16:49 - Apr 21 with 1272 views | NW5Hoop |
| More stupidity on 15:45 - Apr 21 by hubble |
It's rubbish, is it? I'd say as a former employee and current contributor perhaps you're unlikely to hold an unbiased, objective view. Your immediate dismissal of Media Lens as 'the home of cranks' is telling in itself.
However, I have unearthed the article I was referring to. It's not actually from Media Lens (I misremembered that). It's written by investigative journalists Matt Kennard and Mark Curtis. Before you dismiss it out of hand, in the same way you've dismissed Media Lens, I invite you to read the article - without prejudice - and refute it. You may even find it edifying.
https://www.dailymaverick.co.z |
There are lots of facts in that piece, and then a whole load of supposition to thread them together. A lot of mistaking correlation for causation.
And there are strange and stupid errors, too — the kind so basic that if you are making them, it calls into question a lot of the rest of the reporting: "In the period since Snowden, The Guardian has lost many of its top investigative reporters who had covered national security issues, notably Shiv Malik, Nick Davies, David Leigh, Richard Norton-Taylor, Ewen MacAskill and Ian Cobain."
Yes, Shiv Malik left. Nick Davies was Rusbridger's best mate. No one was surprised when he stopped writing for the Guardian — aged 64 (he's now 70). David Leigh retired in 2013, when Rusbridger was still editor. RNT is now 78 — he's retired. Ewen retired in 2018, aged 67. Ian has presumably gone to work for Middle East Eye because it reflects his politics. This isn't Kath Viner deliberately destroying things.
The whole thing about Kath not being involved in the Snowden story. Well, no, because as the piece even notes — she was the editor of the Australian edition, and that was a US-UK co-production. Of course she had nothing to do with it.
I am sure the Guardian took less risks after Snowden. Having your laptops destroyed under MI5 supervision because you've broken the law to print a story tends to leave an institutional mark. That does not make your assertion it is a tool of power any less ridiculous. I gave you other big investigations that had been done since the time you said the paper stopped doing investigations: you just ignore that. | | | |
| More stupidity on 16:49 - Apr 21 with 1204 views | NW5Hoop |
| More stupidity on 14:53 - Apr 21 by Metallica_Hoop |
Changing the subject slightly.
I finished 'Denim and Leather' the other week and loved it. I laughed out loud many times and the Venom in America stories actually made me cry laughing as I was picturing the chaos.
I couldn't find the thread for it I hope it was your one! |
Thank you so much! | | | |
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